How Do I Get Over The Fear Of Leaning/Cornering?
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As for tyres I have Bridgestone Exedra Max on front and rear, I dont know the sizes but they're chunky and the tyres are well rated:
When I stop for a riding break they always feel hot and supple like over chewed chewing gum, I've only felt them slip under very hard straight line braking the front skidded a tiny bit. It has no ABS and its a lot of weight for a 1 piston caliper and 1 disc to bring to halt. Plus side is the V twin has obscene engine braking, come off the throttle at 60 and it will be down to 40 in less than 8 seconds
When I stop for a riding break they always feel hot and supple like over chewed chewing gum, I've only felt them slip under very hard straight line braking the front skidded a tiny bit. It has no ABS and its a lot of weight for a 1 piston caliper and 1 disc to bring to halt. Plus side is the V twin has obscene engine braking, come off the throttle at 60 and it will be down to 40 in less than 8 seconds
Edited by RipTrip1 on Saturday 19th June 08:05
RipTrip1 said:
Absolutely. I know it can be done, I just don't have the skills. Not that I would do knees out but this vid shows how effortless it can be:
https://youtu.be/vDGoBSSw3oQ
I'm actually learning a lot from his videos especially his one on U turns. I didn't even know you're supposed to shift your weight far on the opposite side of the turn before doing a U turn.
O/T but I've not seen these videos before. I've learned more in 30 minutes watching some of these than I have in 5 years of riding.https://youtu.be/vDGoBSSw3oQ
I'm actually learning a lot from his videos especially his one on U turns. I didn't even know you're supposed to shift your weight far on the opposite side of the turn before doing a U turn.
Slowboathome said:
O/T but I've not seen these videos before. I've learned more in 30 minutes watching some of these than I have in 5 years of riding.
Indeed. Hve you seen the vids on turning from a standstill and U turns? His techniques were never taught to me when I did my motorbike training. Cant wait to give them a go when it stops raining. Such techniques are especially useful when you're manhandling a bike like mine.ThreadKiller said:
When racers race or quick riders do what they do, is “i might bin it here” in their minds when they tip the bike in to a turn?
No, unless they have made a mistake or a death or glory manoeuvre - you only win races by finishing themYou should be able to feel the grip available by the response of your bike obviously some bikes (and tyres) are much better at communicating than others, on the road generally speaking, you will run out of talent before your tyres run out of grip
RipTrip1 said:
Indeed. Hve you seen the vids on turning from a standstill and U turns? His techniques were never taught to me when I did my motorbike training. Cant wait to give them a go when it stops raining. Such techniques are especially useful when you're manhandling a bike like mine.
Yes! I thought they were great. It's given me a specific technique to try instead of fumbling around through trial and error.Slowboathome said:
RipTrip1 said:
Indeed. Hve you seen the vids on turning from a standstill and U turns? His techniques were never taught to me when I did my motorbike training. Cant wait to give them a go when it stops raining. Such techniques are especially useful when you're manhandling a bike like mine.
Yes! I thought they were great. It's given me a specific technique to try instead of fumbling around through trial and error.As far removed from your style as it may sound I'd really recommend something like a day at the aforementioned Halsam Race School.
What a motorcycle (even a cruiser) is cabable of is so far above what your perceive in your mind you wouldn't believe.
A day on track (even better if it's raining) with instruction on their bike will open your eyes to what your bike can really do.
It also has the benefit of giving you confidence to crank it over further in an emergency situation on the road.
You'll be grinding pegs in no time.
What a motorcycle (even a cruiser) is cabable of is so far above what your perceive in your mind you wouldn't believe.
A day on track (even better if it's raining) with instruction on their bike will open your eyes to what your bike can really do.
It also has the benefit of giving you confidence to crank it over further in an emergency situation on the road.
You'll be grinding pegs in no time.
Rocket Ron’s race school will put you straight ( or leaned over ) in no time flat. It’s counter intuitive, but if you keep your speed more constant ( no big spikes in acceleration / braking ) the gyro remains ( more ) constant, and if you relax and breathe properly, leaning becomes more natural feeling quite quickly.
Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Friday 18th June 20:20
Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Friday 18th June 20:24
_Neal_ said:
RipTrip1 said:
He isnt countersteering in those videos, the bike is on full lock and he goes in the direction its locked at
Agreed - it's counterbalancing. ETA - and I need to go and practice it
Just repeating what i2i teach on their MC courses which cover exactly that. He does exactly the same routine as the video posted above but on a street triple.
ThreadKiller said:
When racers race or quick riders do what they do, is “i might bin it here” in their minds when they tip the bike in to a turn? I’ve done numerous courses, track days, and dirt biking riding, and this thought is always too much in my mind. I try to push back on these negative thoughts as they slow me down and affect enjoyment.... but they are always there, usually too much in the front of mind. I think I may be just a wuss - Keep trying though.... next is knee down course end of June!
Racers have developed ‘focus’. When your brain homes in on one process, time effectively slows down. If you’ve ever crashed, or fallen off a ladder, or had a similar misfortune, you’ll know what I mean. As the misfortune happens, you perceive time to have slowed down. Racers tame this, and deliberately invoke the reaction. Knowing about it, and being able to do it are very different things though.Krikkit said:
As I understand it, it's counter steering. The turn is initiated the same way with the pressure on the bar, but whereas at higher speeds the bar stays fairly neutral, at low speed it moves around to the lock stop. It still needs counter steer pressure to control it.
Just repeating what i2i teach on their MC courses which cover exactly that. He does exactly the same routine as the video posted above but on a street triple.
We are talking about different videos. I'm talking about his U turn from a stop video which wasn't posted here but can be found easily if you set his videos to most popularJust repeating what i2i teach on their MC courses which cover exactly that. He does exactly the same routine as the video posted above but on a street triple.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Rocket Ron’s race school will put you straight ( or leaned over ) in no time flat. It’s counter intuitive, but if you keep your speed more constant ( no big spikes in acceleration / braking ) the gyro remains ( more ) constant, and if you relax and breathe properly, leaning becomes more natural feeling quite quickly.
It closed permanently at the end of last year unfortunately.Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Friday 18th June 20:20
Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Friday 18th June 20:24
Krikkit said:
As I understand it, it's counter steering. The turn is initiated the same way with the pressure on the bar, but whereas at higher speeds the bar stays fairly neutral, at low speed it moves around to the lock stop. It still needs counter steer pressure to control it.
Just repeating what i2i teach on their MC courses which cover exactly that. He does exactly the same routine as the video posted above but on a street triple.
Interesting, will have to check out i2i. Just repeating what i2i teach on their MC courses which cover exactly that. He does exactly the same routine as the video posted above but on a street triple.
I've never heard of countersteering (e.g. push on the right hand bar to make the bike lean right) in the context of slow speed control but I guess maybe it initiates the lean before you turn the bars fully in the opposite direction of the bar pressure. I've seen the "move your body (to counterbalance), turn your head, turn the bike" before - seems a good routine.
ETA - just seen the crossed purposes - makes much more sense to me now! May need to find an empty car park to practice in!
All this talk of race schools 
You need to be comfortable on your bike and you need to understand what it will do. I'd find a stretch of road that you have been down quite a bit, a nice sunny day, then relax and more importantly, don't try too hard. Be nice and smooth.
Lean angles will come
You need to be comfortable on your bike and you need to understand what it will do. I'd find a stretch of road that you have been down quite a bit, a nice sunny day, then relax and more importantly, don't try too hard. Be nice and smooth.
Lean angles will come
S2r said:
All this talk of race schools
You need to be comfortable on your bike and you need to understand what it will do. I'd find a stretch of road that you have been down quite a bit, a nice sunny day, then relax and more importantly, don't try too hard. Be nice and smooth.
Lean angles will come
I agree completely about race schools. You need to be comfortable on your bike and you need to understand what it will do. I'd find a stretch of road that you have been down quite a bit, a nice sunny day, then relax and more importantly, don't try too hard. Be nice and smooth.
Lean angles will come
Practice is good but ONLY if you know how to do it correctly. Practicing bad technique does not make things better..
As mentioned before, I would bet good money that the actual issue is where the focus of attention is. Most people with "cornering concerns" are looking at the tarmac 20yds in front of them, not at the vanishing point. Sort that and cornering comes naturally. Practice will then add speed/lean angle without fear or concern.
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