Bikers. Don't come to Edinburgh.
Discussion
piddy44 said:
There's simply no will to tackle the issue in Edinburgh as scotland's political leaders & senior police officers are too busy taking the knee, attending pride marches, molesting young men, pardoning witches, pishing money away on half a tram-line, & campaigning for a poorer but independent country.
Hit the nail squarely on the head. Couldn’t have put it better myself.Edited by piddy44 on Thursday 23 June 20:17
When I had my bike stolen a few years ago, at the time, I was only 1 of 3 people that managed to get it back.
They were nearly up at 100 thefts by then.
I got mine back within a couple of hours, the policy idiots being no help at all and more interested in trying to intimidate me into not taking matters into my own hands and just claim my insurance.
They knew who took my bike. Too scared to do anything about it or challenge the promising little footballers..
Thankfully I’m not, so found them and took my property back.
They were nearly up at 100 thefts by then.
I got mine back within a couple of hours, the policy idiots being no help at all and more interested in trying to intimidate me into not taking matters into my own hands and just claim my insurance.
They knew who took my bike. Too scared to do anything about it or challenge the promising little footballers..
Thankfully I’m not, so found them and took my property back.
piddy44 said:
Ahh, the north Edinburgh young motorcycle enthusiasts club. Members are mostly comprised of aspiring footballers, boxers & rappers. Feral as f
k, & neither the po-po nor the pretendy 'government' have the plums to do anything about it. Has been going on for a long time now. These kids will openly bait the police, including the traffic police, by ripping wheelies past them and taking-off into the distance. No-one's bike is safe as they will take anything & everything, & I always feel sorry for tourists visiting the city as they are seemingly mostly unaware of the scale of the problem & city residents will regularly see hooded kids riding foreign-plated motorcycles up the wrong side of the road & pavements.
In 2018, the central scotland gutter-press reported that the po-po were buying 'New Off-Road Dirtbikes to Catch Crazed Dirtbags'! https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/e...
In reality it was a couple of CRF250Ls, ridden by a couple of the local bobbies. I was following them up Bristo Place one day. One was being ridden by a short, chubby female officer who could barely get her feet down and was one of the most amateurish and wobbly 'bikers' I've ever seen. Utterly embarrassing that this was Police Scotland's response to tackling bike theft. The kids are riding stolen KTM 540 EXCs & such-like & I have to say that their ability to handle a bike was night & day compared to the two coppers I witnessed. There's simply no will to tackle the issue in Edinburgh as scotland's political leaders & senior police officers are too busy taking the knee, attending pride marches, molesting young men, pardoning witches, pishing money away on half a tram-line, & campaigning for a poorer but independent country.
Started reasonably. Then you made yourself look stupid at the end. Good job. k, & neither the po-po nor the pretendy 'government' have the plums to do anything about it. Has been going on for a long time now. These kids will openly bait the police, including the traffic police, by ripping wheelies past them and taking-off into the distance. No-one's bike is safe as they will take anything & everything, & I always feel sorry for tourists visiting the city as they are seemingly mostly unaware of the scale of the problem & city residents will regularly see hooded kids riding foreign-plated motorcycles up the wrong side of the road & pavements.In 2018, the central scotland gutter-press reported that the po-po were buying 'New Off-Road Dirtbikes to Catch Crazed Dirtbags'! https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/e...
In reality it was a couple of CRF250Ls, ridden by a couple of the local bobbies. I was following them up Bristo Place one day. One was being ridden by a short, chubby female officer who could barely get her feet down and was one of the most amateurish and wobbly 'bikers' I've ever seen. Utterly embarrassing that this was Police Scotland's response to tackling bike theft. The kids are riding stolen KTM 540 EXCs & such-like & I have to say that their ability to handle a bike was night & day compared to the two coppers I witnessed. There's simply no will to tackle the issue in Edinburgh as scotland's political leaders & senior police officers are too busy taking the knee, attending pride marches, molesting young men, pardoning witches, pishing money away on half a tram-line, & campaigning for a poorer but independent country.
Edited by piddy44 on Thursday 23 June 20:17
Dingu said:
piddy44 said:
Ahh, the north Edinburgh young motorcycle enthusiasts club. Members are mostly comprised of aspiring footballers, boxers & rappers. Feral as fk, & neither the po-po nor the pretendy 'government' have the plums to do anything about it. Has been going on for a long time now. These kids will openly bait the police, including the traffic police, by ripping wheelies past them and taking-off into the distance. No-one's bike is safe as they will take anything & everything, & I always feel sorry for tourists visiting the city as they are seemingly mostly unaware of the scale of the problem & city residents will regularly see hooded kids riding foreign-plated motorcycles up the wrong side of the road & pavements.
In 2018, the central scotland gutter-press reported that the po-po were buying 'New Off-Road Dirtbikes to Catch Crazed Dirtbags'! https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/e...
In reality it was a couple of CRF250Ls, ridden by a couple of the local bobbies. I was following them up Bristo Place one day. One was being ridden by a short, chubby female officer who could barely get her feet down and was one of the most amateurish and wobbly 'bikers' I've ever seen. Utterly embarrassing that this was Police Scotland's response to tackling bike theft. The kids are riding stolen KTM 540 EXCs & such-like & I have to say that their ability to handle a bike was night & day compared to the two coppers I witnessed. There's simply no will to tackle the issue in Edinburgh as scotland's political leaders & senior police officers are too busy taking the knee, attending pride marches, molesting young men, pardoning witches, pishing money away on half a tram-line, & campaigning for a poorer but independent country.
Started reasonably. Then you made yourself look stupid at the end. Good job. k, & neither the po-po nor the pretendy 'government' have the plums to do anything about it. Has been going on for a long time now. These kids will openly bait the police, including the traffic police, by ripping wheelies past them and taking-off into the distance. No-one's bike is safe as they will take anything & everything, & I always feel sorry for tourists visiting the city as they are seemingly mostly unaware of the scale of the problem & city residents will regularly see hooded kids riding foreign-plated motorcycles up the wrong side of the road & pavements.In 2018, the central scotland gutter-press reported that the po-po were buying 'New Off-Road Dirtbikes to Catch Crazed Dirtbags'! https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/e...
In reality it was a couple of CRF250Ls, ridden by a couple of the local bobbies. I was following them up Bristo Place one day. One was being ridden by a short, chubby female officer who could barely get her feet down and was one of the most amateurish and wobbly 'bikers' I've ever seen. Utterly embarrassing that this was Police Scotland's response to tackling bike theft. The kids are riding stolen KTM 540 EXCs & such-like & I have to say that their ability to handle a bike was night & day compared to the two coppers I witnessed. There's simply no will to tackle the issue in Edinburgh as scotland's political leaders & senior police officers are too busy taking the knee, attending pride marches, molesting young men, pardoning witches, pishing money away on half a tram-line, & campaigning for a poorer but independent country.
Edited by piddy44 on Thursday 23 June 20:17
CoolHands said:
Just the uk in general these days. They (authorities) literally don’t know what to do. Can’t lock em up. Can’t educate them (they have the same chances as everyone else in our free education system). They just do what they want, and are ever increasing as far as I’m concerned.
Yep, it's everywhere. Where i live - within 40 miles of central london - it's just as bad, there are local yoofs not even 13 years old openly dealing drugs on the street in front of the so called anti social behaviour cameras, riding around on electric scooters at high speed, riding scooters and dirt bikes with no helmets on etc etc, Police never turn up and if they do, inevitably, the local bleeding hearts - how dare you accuse my son of doing wrong, he is a model citizen and would never do anything bad ever ever ever - are out in force with their brand new top of the line iPhones recording it all to try and intimidate the Police.This problem it’s not just in Edinburgh. It comes from 10-20 years back.
There is no respect and no education. I don’t mean academic I mean just being educated how to have manners, being decent and learn to live within your community.
When I was growing up I would not even think about doing anything like that just the simple fact that it would bring shame to my father or family it was just not even on my mind to behave like this. I also knew that if I tried anything like that the police would be the least of my worries… my dad would sort me out and if I moaned my mother would finish me off. No funny business! Saying that my parents never really smack me but I had and have the most respect for them.
Today it’s the broken, non existing family unit, inadequacy fuelled by the benefit system, imo. It’s not poverty, my parents generation there were really poor families but irrespective of being poor they were decent and law abiding. Poverty does not breed criminality. Poor values and family life do!
The benefit system abuse makes it too easy to “become a family” because it takes out the other responsibilities of having a family such as working to pay the bills for your family.
Add all this to the poor police force we have be it by policy or lack of funding and the U.K. is a playground for the petty criminal or small robber. Crime does pay in the U.K. at this level.
It’s actually embarrassing to recount this back home! But afraid to say the continent is becoming a bit like this here. This softly softly approach does not work.
There is no respect and no education. I don’t mean academic I mean just being educated how to have manners, being decent and learn to live within your community.
When I was growing up I would not even think about doing anything like that just the simple fact that it would bring shame to my father or family it was just not even on my mind to behave like this. I also knew that if I tried anything like that the police would be the least of my worries… my dad would sort me out and if I moaned my mother would finish me off. No funny business! Saying that my parents never really smack me but I had and have the most respect for them.
Today it’s the broken, non existing family unit, inadequacy fuelled by the benefit system, imo. It’s not poverty, my parents generation there were really poor families but irrespective of being poor they were decent and law abiding. Poverty does not breed criminality. Poor values and family life do!
The benefit system abuse makes it too easy to “become a family” because it takes out the other responsibilities of having a family such as working to pay the bills for your family.
Add all this to the poor police force we have be it by policy or lack of funding and the U.K. is a playground for the petty criminal or small robber. Crime does pay in the U.K. at this level.
It’s actually embarrassing to recount this back home! But afraid to say the continent is becoming a bit like this here. This softly softly approach does not work.
The scousers have a field day during the TT, about 20 bikes are nicked every year from hotels whilst people stay over before boarding the ferry.
Mostly European because they're too trusting and leave them out on streets overnight and they don't know about our epidemic.
Liverpool is lawless for balaclava Motocross bike gangs.
Mostly European because they're too trusting and leave them out on streets overnight and they don't know about our epidemic.
Liverpool is lawless for balaclava Motocross bike gangs.
Se7enheaven said:
piddy44 said:
There's simply no will to tackle the issue in Edinburgh as scotland's political leaders & senior police officers are too busy taking the knee, attending pride marches, molesting young men, pardoning witches, pishing money away on half a tram-line, & campaigning for a poorer but independent country.
Hit the nail squarely on the head. Couldn’t have put it better myself.Edited by piddy44 on Thursday 23 June 20:17
neelyp said:
Dingu said:
piddy44 said:
Ahh, the north Edinburgh young motorcycle enthusiasts club. Members are mostly comprised of aspiring footballers, boxers & rappers. Feral as fk, & neither the po-po nor the pretendy 'government' have the plums to do anything about it. Has been going on for a long time now. These kids will openly bait the police, including the traffic police, by ripping wheelies past them and taking-off into the distance. No-one's bike is safe as they will take anything & everything, & I always feel sorry for tourists visiting the city as they are seemingly mostly unaware of the scale of the problem & city residents will regularly see hooded kids riding foreign-plated motorcycles up the wrong side of the road & pavements.
In 2018, the central scotland gutter-press reported that the po-po were buying 'New Off-Road Dirtbikes to Catch Crazed Dirtbags'! https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/e...
In reality it was a couple of CRF250Ls, ridden by a couple of the local bobbies. I was following them up Bristo Place one day. One was being ridden by a short, chubby female officer who could barely get her feet down and was one of the most amateurish and wobbly 'bikers' I've ever seen. Utterly embarrassing that this was Police Scotland's response to tackling bike theft. The kids are riding stolen KTM 540 EXCs & such-like & I have to say that their ability to handle a bike was night & day compared to the two coppers I witnessed. There's simply no will to tackle the issue in Edinburgh as scotland's political leaders & senior police officers are too busy taking the knee, attending pride marches, molesting young men, pardoning witches, pishing money away on half a tram-line, & campaigning for a poorer but independent country.
Started reasonably. Then you made yourself look stupid at the end. Good job. k, & neither the po-po nor the pretendy 'government' have the plums to do anything about it. Has been going on for a long time now. These kids will openly bait the police, including the traffic police, by ripping wheelies past them and taking-off into the distance. No-one's bike is safe as they will take anything & everything, & I always feel sorry for tourists visiting the city as they are seemingly mostly unaware of the scale of the problem & city residents will regularly see hooded kids riding foreign-plated motorcycles up the wrong side of the road & pavements.In 2018, the central scotland gutter-press reported that the po-po were buying 'New Off-Road Dirtbikes to Catch Crazed Dirtbags'! https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/e...
In reality it was a couple of CRF250Ls, ridden by a couple of the local bobbies. I was following them up Bristo Place one day. One was being ridden by a short, chubby female officer who could barely get her feet down and was one of the most amateurish and wobbly 'bikers' I've ever seen. Utterly embarrassing that this was Police Scotland's response to tackling bike theft. The kids are riding stolen KTM 540 EXCs & such-like & I have to say that their ability to handle a bike was night & day compared to the two coppers I witnessed. There's simply no will to tackle the issue in Edinburgh as scotland's political leaders & senior police officers are too busy taking the knee, attending pride marches, molesting young men, pardoning witches, pishing money away on half a tram-line, & campaigning for a poorer but independent country.
Edited by piddy44 on Thursday 23 June 20:17
If this was seen as a substantial vote winner or money-maker you know would be sorted PDQ.
BTW I’m what the typical dribbling tool would probably term a loony-leftie, but I’d happily have scrotes like these banged up for years and/or given a major physical deterrent.
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Any views on what a bike owner can do to make their bike harder to steal?
I'm thinking a 13mm Pragmasis chain + roundlock (or similar - other brands available) that takes 5+ mins to get through with an angle grinder would make it less likely you'll come back to an empty space - or am I being naive?
I'm thinking a 13mm Pragmasis chain + roundlock (or similar - other brands available) that takes 5+ mins to get through with an angle grinder would make it less likely you'll come back to an empty space - or am I being naive?
Fullook said:
Any views on what a bike owner can do to make their bike harder to steal?
I'm thinking a 13mm Pragmasis chain + roundlock (or similar - other brands available) that takes 5+ mins to get through with an angle grinder would make it less likely you'll come back to an empty space - or am I being naive?
Only thing that will work is to park it out of sight. I'm thinking a 13mm Pragmasis chain + roundlock (or similar - other brands available) that takes 5+ mins to get through with an angle grinder would make it less likely you'll come back to an empty space - or am I being naive?
I still ride into Edinburgh on occasion but have given up parking on the street unless i can see it. In town i tend to park in St James Quarter - it costs a couple of quid as i'm not there for long but hey, at least the chances are the bike will be there when i get back.
Agree with a lot of comments above - police underfunded to properly investigate and even if they do it is not in interests of CPS to prosecute as it'll be no more than a slap on the wrists as they are under pressure from a fund slashing Government only wanting the "real" bad guys locked up who view this as a victimless crime because insurance covers right so nobody loses out.
I'd love to set up a sting to catch these serial society losers and crush their hands in a vice as they're a scourge and a drain on society so might as well incapacitate them and make them miserable and harmless.
Fullook said:
Any views on what a bike owner can do to make their bike harder to steal?
I'm thinking a 13mm Pragmasis chain + roundlock (or similar - other brands available) that takes 5+ mins to get through with an angle grinder would make it less likely you'll come back to an empty space - or am I being naive?
I have the 13mm pragmasis chain and roundlock combo. It's a decent heft, and about as big and heavy as Bennet's security gear reviews says is actually portable. The roundlock doubles up as disklock, which is a nice touch. I'm thinking a 13mm Pragmasis chain + roundlock (or similar - other brands available) that takes 5+ mins to get through with an angle grinder would make it less likely you'll come back to an empty space - or am I being naive?
Bennet's rate it's resistance to angle grinder attacks as "average":
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/prod...
Start your NC500 ride anywhere but Edinburgh, basically. Beautiful city, but ruined by the crime epidemic. Similar to down here in the utter toilet that is London really -- trashed irreparably by lack of discipline and respect from youngsters, broken families, soft policing and multiculturalism.
Not wishing to derail the thread into one discussing the best security devices, but a very basic measure if using a chain is to secure it to a railing or immovable object which allows the chain to be up off the ground, immediately avoiding giving any thieves a nice hard flat ground surface to support a grinder or disc cutter against. A bit like some of the nonsensical Youtube videos and website reviews... 'We Got Through This Gold-Rated Lock In 12 Seconds!' etc. Yes indeed you did, when it was secured in a vice in your garage under perfect conditions.
There's no elixir when it comes to security, you can only take measures to slow down a theft or make it unattractive for them.
Not wishing to derail the thread into one discussing the best security devices, but a very basic measure if using a chain is to secure it to a railing or immovable object which allows the chain to be up off the ground, immediately avoiding giving any thieves a nice hard flat ground surface to support a grinder or disc cutter against. A bit like some of the nonsensical Youtube videos and website reviews... 'We Got Through This Gold-Rated Lock In 12 Seconds!' etc. Yes indeed you did, when it was secured in a vice in your garage under perfect conditions.
There's no elixir when it comes to security, you can only take measures to slow down a theft or make it unattractive for them.
Edited by FatboyKim on Friday 24th June 11:09
CoolHands said:
Just the uk in general these days. They (authorities) literally don’t know what to do. Can’t lock em up. Can’t educate them (they have the same chances as everyone else in our free education system). They just do what they want, and are ever increasing as far as I’m concerned.
They've plenty of time to sit around penalising people for using their mobile phone at traffic lights or for doing 56 in a 50 though!I don't agree with many things about the way USA handles justice but their police freedom is one thing I do like
Our police should be ramming these morons over and to tell with the paperwork, if you are part of that criminal life you expect to be treated like one. Live by the gun, die by the gun I say
Weren't the Scottish police super hot on fining people for breaking Covid regulations as well?
CrgT16 said:
This problem it’s not just in Edinburgh. It comes from 10-20 years back.
There is no respect and no education. I don’t mean academic I mean just being educated how to have manners, being decent and learn to live within your community.
When I was growing up I would not even think about doing anything like that just the simple fact that it would bring shame to my father or family it was just not even on my mind to behave like this. I also knew that if I tried anything like that the police would be the least of my worries… my dad would sort me out and if I moaned my mother would finish me off. No funny business! Saying that my parents never really smack me but I had and have the most respect for them.
Today it’s the broken, non existing family unit, inadequacy fuelled by the benefit system, imo. It’s not poverty, my parents generation there were really poor families but irrespective of being poor they were decent and law abiding. Poverty does not breed criminality. Poor values and family life do!
The benefit system abuse makes it too easy to “become a family” because it takes out the other responsibilities of having a family such as working to pay the bills for your family.
Add all this to the poor police force we have be it by policy or lack of funding and the U.K. is a playground for the petty criminal or small robber. Crime does pay in the U.K. at this level.
It’s actually embarrassing to recount this back home! But afraid to say the continent is becoming a bit like this here. This softly softly approach does not work.
Oh have a day off will you!?There is no respect and no education. I don’t mean academic I mean just being educated how to have manners, being decent and learn to live within your community.
When I was growing up I would not even think about doing anything like that just the simple fact that it would bring shame to my father or family it was just not even on my mind to behave like this. I also knew that if I tried anything like that the police would be the least of my worries… my dad would sort me out and if I moaned my mother would finish me off. No funny business! Saying that my parents never really smack me but I had and have the most respect for them.
Today it’s the broken, non existing family unit, inadequacy fuelled by the benefit system, imo. It’s not poverty, my parents generation there were really poor families but irrespective of being poor they were decent and law abiding. Poverty does not breed criminality. Poor values and family life do!
The benefit system abuse makes it too easy to “become a family” because it takes out the other responsibilities of having a family such as working to pay the bills for your family.
Add all this to the poor police force we have be it by policy or lack of funding and the U.K. is a playground for the petty criminal or small robber. Crime does pay in the U.K. at this level.
It’s actually embarrassing to recount this back home! But afraid to say the continent is becoming a bit like this here. This softly softly approach does not work.
Are you honestly trying to suggest this stuff (and worse) didn't happen in years gone by?
Biker9090 said:
CrgT16 said:
This problem it’s not just in Edinburgh. It comes from 10-20 years back.
There is no respect and no education. I don’t mean academic I mean just being educated how to have manners, being decent and learn to live within your community.
When I was growing up I would not even think about doing anything like that just the simple fact that it would bring shame to my father or family it was just not even on my mind to behave like this. I also knew that if I tried anything like that the police would be the least of my worries… my dad would sort me out and if I moaned my mother would finish me off. No funny business! Saying that my parents never really smack me but I had and have the most respect for them.
Today it’s the broken, non existing family unit, inadequacy fuelled by the benefit system, imo. It’s not poverty, my parents generation there were really poor families but irrespective of being poor they were decent and law abiding. Poverty does not breed criminality. Poor values and family life do!
The benefit system abuse makes it too easy to “become a family” because it takes out the other responsibilities of having a family such as working to pay the bills for your family.
Add all this to the poor police force we have be it by policy or lack of funding and the U.K. is a playground for the petty criminal or small robber. Crime does pay in the U.K. at this level.
It’s actually embarrassing to recount this back home! But afraid to say the continent is becoming a bit like this here. This softly softly approach does not work.
Oh have a day off will you!?There is no respect and no education. I don’t mean academic I mean just being educated how to have manners, being decent and learn to live within your community.
When I was growing up I would not even think about doing anything like that just the simple fact that it would bring shame to my father or family it was just not even on my mind to behave like this. I also knew that if I tried anything like that the police would be the least of my worries… my dad would sort me out and if I moaned my mother would finish me off. No funny business! Saying that my parents never really smack me but I had and have the most respect for them.
Today it’s the broken, non existing family unit, inadequacy fuelled by the benefit system, imo. It’s not poverty, my parents generation there were really poor families but irrespective of being poor they were decent and law abiding. Poverty does not breed criminality. Poor values and family life do!
The benefit system abuse makes it too easy to “become a family” because it takes out the other responsibilities of having a family such as working to pay the bills for your family.
Add all this to the poor police force we have be it by policy or lack of funding and the U.K. is a playground for the petty criminal or small robber. Crime does pay in the U.K. at this level.
It’s actually embarrassing to recount this back home! But afraid to say the continent is becoming a bit like this here. This softly softly approach does not work.
Are you honestly trying to suggest this stuff (and worse) didn't happen in years gone by?
Neighbours were always looking out for you
Everyone down the road knew everyone
Kids got a smack when necessary, and schools were strict (arguably not in the right way, but hey ho)
Generally relationships were more stable and less fickle (mainly thanks to Tinder and the internet)
These days, teachers can't even touch a thrashing child as they'll be reported for assault - Parents bring a child into a broken relationship where neither is capable of raising a child
Most parents are rude, obnoxious and arrogant (school Mums at drop off time, lovely bunch..!) and unfortunately many are being raised in violent homes or by a single parent who with all the best will in the world cannot necessarily play the role of both parents.
I said this to my wife when I was a bit younger and she thought I was mental but she does agree more now - but I do really believe that parents should have to have some sort of child license to have children
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