BSB / WSB grids 2023

[slopes]

Drabbesttunic said:

slopes said:

The Showdown format has been canned for 2023, last three rounds get extra points though.
As best i can work it out, 18 for a win and so forth up to last two rounds, that increases to 25 then last round winner gets 35.

At least if someone like O'Halloran dominates the bulk of the season again, whoever it is might be a deserving winner rather than getting mugged at the end of the season.

Edited by slopes on Sunday 20th November 13:48

You're more likely to be mugged now than the showdown.
You can get 105 points in the last round alone

Well there is that but it could also end up being like Leon Camier in 2009 and someone cleans up before the last three rounds of the year

[Mr Tidy]

airsafari87 said:

Good riddance to the showdown.

The way it works looks like this.

Normal points awarded for every round except for the final 3 rounds.
18-16-14-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

The first 2 rounds of the final 3 rounds points will rise as follows.
25-22-20-18-16-14-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1

For the final round ONLY the following points will be awarded.
35-30-27-24-22-20-18-16-14-12-10-8-6-4-2

I never liked the showdown format - that sounds like an improvement but we won't know for sure until next year!

[ArnageWRC]

slopes said:

The Showdown format has been canned for 2023, last three rounds get extra points though.
As best i can work it out, 18 for a win and so forth up to last two rounds, that increases to 25 then last round winner gets 35.

At least if someone like O'Halloran dominates the bulk of the season again, whoever it is might be a deserving winner rather than getting mugged at the end of the season.

Edited by slopes on Sunday 20th November 13:48

The best way to decide a series is to have the same amount of points for all rounds. Simple. It's all trying to create excitement, and the risk the best rider might not win. It's a version of 'play offs'.....Simply not needed.

[slopes]

ArnageWRC said:

slopes said:

The Showdown format has been canned for 2023, last three rounds get extra points though.
As best i can work it out, 18 for a win and so forth up to last two rounds, that increases to 25 then last round winner gets 35.

At least if someone like O'Halloran dominates the bulk of the season again, whoever it is might be a deserving winner rather than getting mugged at the end of the season.

Edited by slopes on Sunday 20th November 13:48

The best way to decide a series is to have the same amount of points for all rounds. Simple. It's all trying to create excitement, and the risk the best rider might not win. It's a version of 'play offs'.....Simply not needed.

I agree with you, i've never liked the showdown format but they needed to do something to keep the fans interested after Camier's dominance in 2009 and that wasn't his fault, he was just better than everyone else.

[graeme4130]

DarthtaterM16 said:

Will update the thread with signings/teams as and when they happen / I have time at work..

Quite a few good seats still available. Will be interesting.

BSB

PBM Ducati
1. Glen Irwin
2. Tommy Bridewell

Honda UK
1. Tom Neave
2. Andy Irwin

FHO BMW
1. Peter Hickman
2. Josh Brookes

McCams Yamaha
1. (not Leon Haslam)..
2.

Oxford Ducati
1. Iddon

FS3 Kawasaki
1. Lee Jackson
2. (not Leon Haslam)

GR motorsport Kawasaki
1.

TAS BMW
1.
2.

OMG Yamaha
1. Kyle Ryde
2. (not Leon Haslam)..

Buildbase
1.
2.

IForce BMW
1.
2.

Lee Hardy racing Kawasaki
1. Bradley Perie

Rapid CDH Kawasaki
1.
2.

Mar-train racing Yamaha
1. Jack Kennedy

LKR Honda
1. Danny kent

Just updated a couple of those to add Iddon, Perie and Kent’s new team

[graeme4130]

slopes said:

I agree with you, i've never liked the showdown format but they needed to do something to keep the fans interested after Camier's dominance in 2009 and that wasn't his fault, he was just better than everyone else.

Yeah, I quite like it as it brings the season conclusion right to the last round
I can see why BSB do it, as like you say, Camier’s domination made the end of the season boring

[slopes]

OMG announcing Ryde’s team mate 23rd of this month apparently.

Oh and FHO are the official BMW supported team for BSB and the roads for 2023

Edited by slopes on Sunday 20th November 19:56

[LukeBrown66]

I have never liked Showdown, for all sorts of reasons, I understand why it is done, especially when Shaky was dominating and winning it 3 or 4 meetings before the end, but there are better ways of making it exciting.

I don't like totally ignoring the rest of the field, I think that is hugely disrespectful to teams and riders, and a rider can easily have an amazing end of year like Hicky did and perhaps sneak 4 or 5 standings places, doesn't mean much, but to be dumped out of it seems pointless.

As a format it is pretty much not adopted anywhere other than NASCAR, and that is about as false as motorsport gets in reality, so it is time to go for me, but MSV own it and want more revenue at year end guaranteed and probably have the attendance data to show it works, the ya re the money men and money talks, that is why it stays.

[Drabbesttunic]

graeme4130 said:

slopes said:

I agree with you, i've never liked the showdown format but they needed to do something to keep the fans interested after Camier's dominance in 2009 and that wasn't his fault, he was just better than everyone else.

Yeah, I quite like it as it brings the season conclusion right to the last round
I can see why BSB do it, as like you say, Camier’s domination made the end of the season boring

It was a kneejerk reaction from one year, completely not needed and now they've done it again after losing lots of contenders in the 1st part of the showdown.
No other series use it, there's a reason why, its ste.

[graeme4130]

Drabbesttunic said:

graeme4130 said:

slopes said:

I agree with you, i've never liked the showdown format but they needed to do something to keep the fans interested after Camier's dominance in 2009 and that wasn't his fault, he was just better than everyone else.

Yeah, I quite like it as it brings the season conclusion right to the last round
I can see why BSB do it, as like you say, Camier’s domination made the end of the season boring

It was a kneejerk reaction from one year, completely not needed and now they've done it again after losing lots of contenders in the 1st part of the showdown.
No other series use it, there's a reason why, its ste.

I quite like that it means the season goes right to the final in brands, although I never liked that only the showdown contenders could win it, and everyone else was going round for fun
This new format addresses that

[Turn7]

Have high hopes for Tb and Christian next year.

Also hope that Lee Hardy can make Perie another Dixon.

[Drabbesttunic]

graeme4130 said:

Drabbesttunic said:

graeme4130 said:

slopes said:

I agree with you, i've never liked the showdown format but they needed to do something to keep the fans interested after Camier's dominance in 2009 and that wasn't his fault, he was just better than everyone else.

Yeah, I quite like it as it brings the season conclusion right to the last round
I can see why BSB do it, as like you say, Camier’s domination made the end of the season boring

It was a kneejerk reaction from one year, completely not needed and now they've done it again after losing lots of contenders in the 1st part of the showdown.
No other series use it, there's a reason why, its ste.

I quite like that it means the season goes right to the final in brands, although I never liked that only the showdown contenders could win it, and everyone else was going round for fun
This new format addresses that

Let's hope so!

[joema]

I like it. Once the winners have been decided I lose a bit of interest so understand why they have it.

Ray would have won it this year regardless of the showdown anyway.

[Zarco]

Drabbesttunic said:

graeme4130 said:

slopes said:

I agree with you, i've never liked the showdown format but they needed to do something to keep the fans interested after Camier's dominance in 2009 and that wasn't his fault, he was just better than everyone else.

Yeah, I quite like it as it brings the season conclusion right to the last round
I can see why BSB do it, as like you say, Camier’s domination made the end of the season boring

It was a kneejerk reaction from one year, completely not needed and now they've done it again after losing lots of contenders in the 1st part of the showdown.
No other series use it, there's a reason why, its ste.

Yep!

[DarthtaterM16]

Girlfriend randomly booked tickets for Saturday at Thruxton last night.
First time ever seeing live bikes for her.

[slopes]

DarthtaterM16 said:

Girlfriend randomly booked tickets for Saturday at Thruxton last night.
First time ever seeing live bikes for her.

Never been to Thruxton but the misses has never been to see Superbikes either, thinking either Snetterton, Donington or Cadwell

[DarthtaterM16]

slopes said:

DarthtaterM16 said:

Girlfriend randomly booked tickets for Saturday at Thruxton last night.
First time ever seeing live bikes for her.

Never been to Thruxton but the misses has never been to see Superbikes either, thinking either Snetterton, Donington or Cadwell

Me neither. Been to donington and there’s a few good viewing spots there.

[graeme4130]

Thruxton’s the favourite of a lot of riders, but it’s not great for spectating as you can only watch from around 25% of the track - it’s only 30 mins from us, so it’s my favourite round of the year
The last chicane is the best place to watch from in my opinion

[DarthtaterM16]

graeme4130 said:

Thruxton’s the favourite of a lot of riders, but it’s not great for spectating as you can only watch from around 25% of the track - it’s only 30 mins from us, so it’s my favourite round of the year
The last chicane is the best place to watch from in my opinion

It’s just under an hour from where we’ll be living by then too.
Final chicane was where I had in mind too.

[egor110]

Plus get a seat in the grandstand and no need to get there early.

Downside is its always fking freezing in the grandstand even on a sunny day.