BSB / WSB grids 2023

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roboxm3

2,418 posts

196 months

Saturday 4th November 2023
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flatlandsman said:
BMW will never go to GO they are committed to their own Superbikes and are currently spending a bunch on WEC and GT3, the S1000 is a good selling bike and is clearly a very good road bike, if they were going to GP they would have done it a long time ago when Ezpeleta was courting them far more than he is now.
And the reason for their stubbornness re. the electronics, so I believe, i.e. the more they develop and refine them in racing, the better they are for the road…

ouninpohja

193 posts

160 months

Saturday 4th November 2023
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flatlandsman said:
BMW will never go to GO they are committed to their own Superbikes and are currently spending a bunch on WEC and GT3, the S1000 is a good selling bike and is clearly a very good road bike, if they were going to GP they would have done it a long time ago when Ezpeleta was courting them far more than he is now.
Why not? There is intense rivalry between German motor manufacturers, where you find one dominating it does not take long for another to join in

CypSIdders

858 posts

155 months

Saturday 4th November 2023
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ouninpohja said:
Why not? There is intense rivalry between German motor manufacturers, where you find one dominating it does not take long for another to join in
There are, AFAIK, only two German manufacturers producing Bikes, BMW and Maico., (small off road concern), Kalex make frames, where's the rivalry exactly?

roboxm3

2,418 posts

196 months

Saturday 4th November 2023
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CypSIdders said:
ouninpohja said:
Why not? There is intense rivalry between German motor manufacturers, where you find one dominating it does not take long for another to join in
There are, AFAIK, only two German manufacturers producing Bikes, BMW and Maico., (small off road concern), Kalex make frames, where's the rivalry exactly?
Audi.

graeme4130

3,829 posts

182 months

Saturday 4th November 2023
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I can’t see any ‘new’ manufactures joining the GP grid with a brand new bike
It costs what, maybe €50-100m to develop a bike and then another say €50m a year to run it
When sports bikes are dead and petrol bikes days are numbered, there’s no financial incentive to take the step

LF5335

5,982 posts

44 months

Saturday 4th November 2023
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ouninpohja said:
Why not? There is intense rivalry between German motor manufacturers, where you find one dominating it does not take long for another to join in
Was F1 was flooded with German car manufacturers hunting down Mercedes for the past decade?

slopes

38,831 posts

188 months

Tuesday 7th November 2023
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Oetl confirmed at GMT94 for next season

slopes

38,831 posts

188 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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Dan Linfoot excluded from both races at the seaon ending Brands Hatch round due to technical irregularities, Richard Kerr is declared Champion.

Linfoot must be sick to his stomach

Tam_Mullen

2,298 posts

173 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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slopes said:
Dan Linfoot excluded from both races at the seaon ending Brands Hatch round due to technical irregularities, Richard Kerr is declared Champion.

Linfoot must be sick to his stomach
Seems incredibly harsh, but rules are rules especially in a 'stock' racing class.

Linfoot will be gutted but I highly doubt Kerr is jumping with joy. He will, and we all, know that there won't really be a tangible competitive advantage to using a different reservoir.

FourWheelDrift

88,551 posts

285 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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They have the full PDF on here - https://motorsport.radio/bsb-dan-linfoot-stripped-...

Madness. Appeal out of time, bike released from Parc ferme, no Superstock technical expert to even check properly.

graeme4130

3,829 posts

182 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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Tam_Mullen said:
Seems incredibly harsh, but rules are rules especially in a 'stock' racing class.

Linfoot will be gutted but I highly doubt Kerr is jumping with joy. He will, and we all, know that there won't really be a tangible competitive advantage to using a different reservoir.
It wasn’t the reservoir, it was the master cylinder
The reservoir mounting location was what gave it away

The blurb basically says also that the team were invited to present the bike for technical inspection a few days later, and the MC had been changed back to the OEM one, so they knew they were cheating

The main loser in all this is the stk1000 class itself as it’s just another nail in its coffin, unfortunately

Zarco

17,891 posts

210 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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graeme4130 said:
Tam_Mullen said:
Seems incredibly harsh, but rules are rules especially in a 'stock' racing class.

Linfoot will be gutted but I highly doubt Kerr is jumping with joy. He will, and we all, know that there won't really be a tangible competitive advantage to using a different reservoir.
It wasn’t the reservoir, it was the master cylinder
The reservoir mounting location was what gave it away

The blurb basically says also that the team were invited to present the bike for technical inspection a few days later, and the MC had been changed back to the OEM one, so they knew they were cheating

The main loser in all this is the stk1000 class itself as it’s just another nail in its coffin, unfortunately
What a silly mistake on the part of the team. Presumably they were running a legal master cylinder for the rest of the year? Seems madness to risk throwing the championship away at the last round like that. It's not like Linfoot needed an unfair advantage.

graeme4130

3,829 posts

182 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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Zarco said:
What a silly mistake on the part of the team. Presumably they were running a legal master cylinder for the rest of the year? Seems madness to risk throwing the championship away at the last round like that. It's not like Linfoot needed an unfair advantage.
Yeah, all seems a little odd
Linfoot’s a class act (and should be with seasons of SBK experience) so it’s not like he needed any advantage
Especially, as at BSB, the stakes are high and teams will object to even the slightest little thing so it was silly of the team not to be running a totally compliant bike
I guess we’ll never know why it happened

ouninpohja

193 posts

160 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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Zarco said:
What a silly mistake on the part of the team. Presumably they were running a legal master cylinder for the rest of the year? Seems madness to risk throwing the championship away at the last round like that. It's not like Linfoot needed an unfair advantage.
Not necessarily, might not have been noticed by the protesting team until the last round

graeme4130

3,829 posts

182 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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ouninpohja said:
Not necessarily, might not have been noticed by the protesting team until the last round
To play devils advocate:
If I was the team that noticed something iffy on a competitors bike and was in a championship battle, I’d wait until a key point to grass them up as that’d have the biggest impact
It’s very rare that anyone raises an infringement objection to a competitors bike in FP1, and for good reason

ouninpohja

193 posts

160 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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graeme4130 said:
To play devils advocate:
If I was the team that noticed something iffy on a competitors bike and was in a championship battle, I’d wait until a key point to grass them up as that’d have the biggest impact
It’s very rare that anyone raises an infringement objection to a competitors bike in FP1, and for good reason
Absolutely!

poo at Paul's

14,153 posts

176 months

Friday 1st December 2023
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ouninpohja said:
Zarco said:
What a silly mistake on the part of the team. Presumably they were running a legal master cylinder for the rest of the year? Seems madness to risk throwing the championship away at the last round like that. It's not like Linfoot needed an unfair advantage.
Not necessarily, might not have been noticed by the protesting team until the last round
Photos online of allegedly illegal brake discs on Kerr's bike being run in races earlier in the year now!
I cant see it being protested now, but this claim was outside the protest window, so never say never. But i suspect it will just die of death now and fans will forever boo at Kerr! wink



Edited by poo at Paul's on Friday 1st December 06:57

graeme4130

3,829 posts

182 months

Friday 1st December 2023
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poo at Paul's said:
ouninpohja said:
Zarco said:
What a silly mistake on the part of the team. Presumably they were running a legal master cylinder for the rest of the year? Seems madness to risk throwing the championship away at the last round like that. It's not like Linfoot needed an unfair advantage.
Not necessarily, might not have been noticed by the protesting team until the last round
Photos online of allegedly illegal brake discs on Kerr's bike being run in races earlier in the year now!
I cant see it being protested now, but this claim was outside the protest window, so never say never. But i suspect it will just die of death now and fans will forever boo at Kerr! wink



Edited by poo at Paul's on Friday 1st December 06:57
They're just as likely to be boo'ing at Linfoot for being a cheat

FourWheelDrift

88,551 posts

285 months

Friday 1st December 2023
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Bridewell confirmed at Honda for 2024.