Moto GP Thread 2023
Discussion
It is concerning for the future of MotoGp.
Suzuki didn't seem to be lacking as much in straight line speed as the Yamaha though, so it's not just a "jap inline 4 problem" I feel like they could make the bike faster but it's always baby steps with them, as if they're concerned about overdoing it but the bikes that bloody slow a radical step would make more sense. Without Fabio they'll be f
ked and I reckon the writings on the wall now, he's not gonna wait another year.
Suzuki didn't seem to be lacking as much in straight line speed as the Yamaha though, so it's not just a "jap inline 4 problem" I feel like they could make the bike faster but it's always baby steps with them, as if they're concerned about overdoing it but the bikes that bloody slow a radical step would make more sense. Without Fabio they'll be f
ked and I reckon the writings on the wall now, he's not gonna wait another year. Yeah the comment in the coverage about RNF team jumping ship from Yamaha to Honda as the Yamaha was not so good hammered the point home. Ducati, Aprilia and KTM seem to have made a lot more progress than Honda and Yamaha and a good indication of that is the laptimes on the weekend as 1.5 seconds was knocked off it. Things must be bad at Honda when they're seemingly on the verge of asking Kalex to fix the Honda chassis! Maybe the influx of ex-Suzuki folk will also help?
Did anyone notice Lin Jarvis looking a bit like Alfred E Neuman with that missing front tooth?
Did anyone notice Lin Jarvis looking a bit like Alfred E Neuman with that missing front tooth?
It is a shame, but often single tyre and very tight regs force you down one route, it was the same with turbos in F1, originally BMW made a 4 pot work but that concept quickly became powerful but not good enough on fuel same as other engines, the V6 became de riguer,as it seems the v4 is now in motoGP
Is it down to aero and the shape you can make the bike?
Anyone remember Honda building a v twin that took on and beat Ducati in SBK, as did Aprilia, and actually Aprilia almost started the next revolution with the RSV4 which was basically a GP bike for the road, like the modern Ducati.
I thought the guys on comms sussed it out well yesterday, right now you need to copy Ducati, Yamaha thought the new engine was enough, but obviously not in Portugal, Honda are closer I think, but only with MM, who keeps effing it up for them how own way.
it is the leap Aprilia have made that is staggering from also rans a few years ago, to perhaps the second best bike out there.
Is it down to aero and the shape you can make the bike?
Anyone remember Honda building a v twin that took on and beat Ducati in SBK, as did Aprilia, and actually Aprilia almost started the next revolution with the RSV4 which was basically a GP bike for the road, like the modern Ducati.
I thought the guys on comms sussed it out well yesterday, right now you need to copy Ducati, Yamaha thought the new engine was enough, but obviously not in Portugal, Honda are closer I think, but only with MM, who keeps effing it up for them how own way.
it is the leap Aprilia have made that is staggering from also rans a few years ago, to perhaps the second best bike out there.
lazybike said:
Inline 4's have had their day in motogp, or so it seems,
And yet Suzuki won the World Championships a couple of years ago and won 2 of the last 3 races in 2022! IMO the problem is not the engine, but the bike package together. Sure, more hp would be good, but Yamaha have found more hp this year and are in the same place they were in 2022, if not slightly further back. Condi said:
lazybike said:
Inline 4's have had their day in motogp, or so it seems,
And yet Suzuki won the World Championships a couple of years ago and won 2 of the last 3 races in 2022! IMO the problem is not the engine, but the bike package together. Sure, more hp would be good, but Yamaha have found more hp this year and are in the same place they were in 2022, if not slightly further back. It strikes me that they are even worse off this year because every other manufacturer has taken 2 steps forward and they needed to take 3, not 1.
Turn7 said:
No mention of Kelso crash ?
That looked horrible, hope hes OK.
It looked brutal, confirmed broken ankle and I think hes getting scans on his other leg so could get worse for the lad yet...That looked horrible, hope hes OK.
BUT
He completely switched his attention off after crossing the line and ran into Holgado who was in the middle of the track, yes he had rolled off but youre more than entitled to.
I would argue that just not paying attention like that is more dangerous to other riders than making a mistake. Before anyone says im not a Marc fanboy, i think he often rides on or over his limit and all too often makes a mistake which has big repercussions, but you cant be riding a bike at 100+ mph and just not looking in front of you...
Se7enheaven said:
A result of gaining pole position by slipstream. The honda is an inferior bike on the grid these days ,and MM is no longer the top of the tree. Result is him pushing way beyond both his and bike’s capability in the race. It was said ages ago that MM will never win another World Championship and as time goes on you see this is the case. The day that he had it all and lost it will forever haunt him I guess, but mean time he has to come to terms with riding within his limits before he does more than just injure someone.
Until he gets on a Ducati and no longer has to over ride.egor110 said:
Se7enheaven said:
A result of gaining pole position by slipstream. The honda is an inferior bike on the grid these days ,and MM is no longer the top of the tree. Result is him pushing way beyond both his and bike’s capability in the race. It was said ages ago that MM will never win another World Championship and as time goes on you see this is the case. The day that he had it all and lost it will forever haunt him I guess, but mean time he has to come to terms with riding within his limits before he does more than just injure someone.
Until he gets on a Ducati and no longer has to over ride.Yazza54 said:
egor110 said:
Se7enheaven said:
A result of gaining pole position by slipstream. The honda is an inferior bike on the grid these days ,and MM is no longer the top of the tree. Result is him pushing way beyond both his and bike’s capability in the race. It was said ages ago that MM will never win another World Championship and as time goes on you see this is the case. The day that he had it all and lost it will forever haunt him I guess, but mean time he has to come to terms with riding within his limits before he does more than just injure someone.
Until he gets on a Ducati and no longer has to over ride.I feel like put him and Fabio on an Aprilia or Ducati, everyone else would be screwed.
Zarco said:
Yazza54 said:
egor110 said:
Se7enheaven said:
A result of gaining pole position by slipstream. The honda is an inferior bike on the grid these days ,and MM is no longer the top of the tree. Result is him pushing way beyond both his and bike’s capability in the race. It was said ages ago that MM will never win another World Championship and as time goes on you see this is the case. The day that he had it all and lost it will forever haunt him I guess, but mean time he has to come to terms with riding within his limits before he does more than just injure someone.
Until he gets on a Ducati and no longer has to over ride.I feel like put him and Fabio on an Aprilia or Ducati, everyone else would be screwed.
Yazza54 said:
egor110 said:
Se7enheaven said:
A result of gaining pole position by slipstream. The honda is an inferior bike on the grid these days ,and MM is no longer the top of the tree. Result is him pushing way beyond both his and bike’s capability in the race. It was said ages ago that MM will never win another World Championship and as time goes on you see this is the case. The day that he had it all and lost it will forever haunt him I guess, but mean time he has to come to terms with riding within his limits before he does more than just injure someone.
Until he gets on a Ducati and no longer has to over ride.For sure Marquez wins a ton of races and titles on a Ducati, but he might also push them into some avenues, it depends how good a development rider he is. HE can nake anything work if it is close, that does not necessarily mean he gives amazing feedback, it just means he has the talent to get it close!
Dovi was considered past it when he went there and became a title contender by pushing the team coming together and making it work. I would guess Marquez might have very different ideas to Pecco the others.
One thing though, that bike is amazing on the brakes, Marc would take that to another level.
Dovi was considered past it when he went there and became a title contender by pushing the team coming together and making it work. I would guess Marquez might have very different ideas to Pecco the others.
One thing though, that bike is amazing on the brakes, Marc would take that to another level.
More to the point there are a lot of ducatis and loads of data, so he only needs to tweak it, not start a new development. Honda look so knackered, bunch of faceless engineers, they have never cared about riders much, it’s been proven time and time again. I fear he’ll hurt himself more trying to get that bike going. He really should jump ship.
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