Green lane riding in Derbyshire
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The cops also use this course.
Whichever group that you ride with don't stick with any that like riding cheeky routes. It's deeply impactful to good relations with other Peak district users.
Some greenlaning groups feel 'aggrieved' that they can't ride more in the Peak so quickly nip through as it's 'the morning and quiet'..
I've had a few have a go back at me when challenged. Not a good thing to threaten someone that they don't know or what their background is.
Worse than me are the walkers who are very organised at complaining and marshaling resources to reduce greenlaning use further in the Peak
The cops also use this course.
Whichever group that you ride with don't stick with any that like riding cheeky routes. It's deeply impactful to good relations with other Peak district users.
Some greenlaning groups feel 'aggrieved' that they can't ride more in the Peak so quickly nip through as it's 'the morning and quiet'..
I've had a few have a go back at me when challenged. Not a good thing to threaten someone that they don't know or what their background is.
Worse than me are the walkers who are very organised at complaining and marshaling resources to reduce greenlaning use further in the Peak
KTMsm said:
You mean in the same way they all use roads ?
Green lanes ARE roads and should be maintained by the council - although plenty of us maintain them and pay via membership fees to the TRF to keep them open
Green lanes are roads? Don't see many tarmacked green lanes around here. Green lanes ARE roads and should be maintained by the council - although plenty of us maintain them and pay via membership fees to the TRF to keep them open
No, in the way large bikes cause more damage to soft surfaces than, say, walkers, and irresponsible overuse should see people pay more. Bikes concentrate more of their weight on a narrow area and dig deeper into soft terrain, loosen rocks etc than footfall. MTBs cause the same damage, but obvs they're lighter. Areas of Kinder/Edale are now MTB restricted because of unthinking overuse. It's no good saying council this and that - everywhere in the country is getting busier and if user groups behave irresponsibly everyone suffers and the routes will close.
The majority of the damage to unsurfaced green roads in my experience is caused by surface water, although certainly, 4x4s seem to revel in driving in deep mud, but farm tractors are also using these routes, so it's not all recreational vehicle damage.
In other areas you see footpaths completely destroyed by walkers, requiring expensive repairs, areas where no trail bikes, 4x4s or farmers have been.
In other areas you see footpaths completely destroyed by walkers, requiring expensive repairs, areas where no trail bikes, 4x4s or farmers have been.
the tribester said:
The majority of the damage to unsurfaced green roads in my experience is caused by surface water, although certainly, 4x4s seem to revel in driving in deep mud, but farm tractors are also using these routes, so it's not all recreational vehicle damage.
In other areas you see footpaths completely destroyed by walkers, requiring expensive repairs, areas where no trail bikes, 4x4s or farmers have been.
Certainly I've seen terrible damage done by too many walkers on paths. but these are mostly grass/soft earth turned to a muddy mess. Particularly paths through fields where only walkers are allowed and not green lanes. Some peat paths on Kinder have deteriorated badly as well, as I've said, leading to restrictions on MTB use.In other areas you see footpaths completely destroyed by walkers, requiring expensive repairs, areas where no trail bikes, 4x4s or farmers have been.
Semmelweiss said:
Green Lanes (Roads) are Indeed roads, with National Speed Limits in place. Some are old Roman roads, drovers' roads, gravel, sand and/or a mix.
Unmade Common Roads (UCR's)
Byways Open To All Traffic (BOAT's)
Unclassified Country Road, wasn't it?Unmade Common Roads (UCR's)
Byways Open To All Traffic (BOAT's)
Although I thought UCR went out of use at the same time as RUPP.
popeyewhite said:
Green lanes are roads? Don't see many tarmacked green lanes around here.
No, in the way large bikes cause more damage to soft surfaces than, say, walkers, and irresponsible overuse should see people pay more. Bikes concentrate more of their weight on a narrow area and dig deeper into soft terrain, loosen rocks etc than footfall. MTBs cause the same damage, but obvs they're lighter. Areas of Kinder/Edale are now MTB restricted because of unthinking overuse. It's no good saying council this and that - everywhere in the country is getting busier and if user groups behave irresponsibly everyone suffers and the routes will close.
They are indeed roads - maintained by the councilNo, in the way large bikes cause more damage to soft surfaces than, say, walkers, and irresponsible overuse should see people pay more. Bikes concentrate more of their weight on a narrow area and dig deeper into soft terrain, loosen rocks etc than footfall. MTBs cause the same damage, but obvs they're lighter. Areas of Kinder/Edale are now MTB restricted because of unthinking overuse. It's no good saying council this and that - everywhere in the country is getting busier and if user groups behave irresponsibly everyone suffers and the routes will close.
As walkers have 98% of them if they don't like sharing them with motorcyclists and 4x4s, perhaps they could f
k off and stay on their 98% FFS !KTMsm said:
They are indeed roads - maintained by the council.
I was being facetious, but it's a long time since any green lane I use has been maintained by anyone except maybe the odd local farmer.KTMsm said:
As walkers have 98% of them if they don't like sharing them with motorcyclists and 4x4s, perhaps they could fk off and stay on their 98% FFS !
I see it more as everybody needs to share. I'm conflicted on this I admit. When out on a bike I don't care about the noise or damage I'm doing, when walking I get irritated by bikes disturbing the peace and quiet and dominating lanes in an unsafe manner. Lanes that are meant to be shared.k off and stay on their 98% FFS !popeyewhite said:
I see it more as everybody needs to share. I'm conflicted on this I admit. When out on a bike I don't care about the noise or damage I'm doing, when walking I get irritated by bikes disturbing the peace and quiet and dominating lanes in an unsafe manner. Lanes that are meant to be shared.
I'm quite happy to share but I object when an idiot claims that bikes are making 3ft deep holes or walkers are complaining about bikes when they have the option of walking exclusively on the 98%KTMsm said:
popeyewhite said:
I see it more as everybody needs to share. I'm conflicted on this I admit. When out on a bike I don't care about the noise or damage I'm doing, when walking I get irritated by bikes disturbing the peace and quiet and dominating lanes in an unsafe manner. Lanes that are meant to be shared.
I'm quite happy to share but I object when an idiot claims that bikes are making 3ft deep holes or walkers are complaining about bikes when they have the option of walking exclusively on the 98%Did some Trans Euro Trail in France last year and noticed a number of things:
I know the TRF do maintenance but I am not aware of any other group doing this (there probably are groups doing it, I am just not aware of it) and have certainly never seen anyone else doing any maintenance other than people on motorbikes.
- Any track that has two wheel ruts is open to use unless a sign says otherwise.
- I encountered at least four flatbed trucks with official / council looking crews filling in rough areas in the dirt tracks.
- ALL the encounters I had with people were friendly with lots of waving etc
- One route went through a farm yard and a couple of chaps had a tractor and trailer across the route while they were doing something or other, they could not apologise enough and wanted to move it out of the way for me (I just pootled around instead).
I know the TRF do maintenance but I am not aware of any other group doing this (there probably are groups doing it, I am just not aware of it) and have certainly never seen anyone else doing any maintenance other than people on motorbikes.
popeyewhite said:
I don't know about the 3 ft hole you mention I haven't seen it, but the fact is the weight of a bike is concentrated via a small area of tyre into one spot on the surface and this causes more damage than the footprint of your average weight walker. The morals over who has greater right to complain aren't really relevant. All users can coexist if everyone is sensible.
Let's be honest. it's the noise. Folk don't like the noise. Even a GS with a lardy middle aged man onboard will do less damage than a couple of 500kg horses out a hack but I bet the ramblers ain't complaining about them... they probably think it's lovely and adds to the whole countryside experience.My wife and daughter ride horses often on the same land that my son and I ride our bikes on and I don't recall my wife ever having a run in with someone or having the police called on them.
nunpuncher said:
Let's be honest. it's the noise.
It's not, though I happen to think my last bike was embarrassingly loud!nunpuncher said:
Even a GS with a lardy middle aged man onboard will do less damage than a couple of 500kg horses out a hack but I bet the ramblers ain't complaining about them... they probably think it's lovely and adds to the whole countryside experience.
Rarely if ever seen any horses around the lanes I'm thinking of. This is High Peak moor country, lots of sheep, rain and little else. Most farms around here are working farms and farmers and their families don't have the time to faff about with nags.popeyewhite said:
I don't know about the 3 ft hole you mention I haven't seen it, but the fact is the weight of a bike is concentrated via a small area of tyre into one spot on the surface and this causes more damage than the footprint of your average weight walker.
I posted two pictures earlier in the threadRegardless, unless it's quicksand, a motorcycle does not make a 3-foot deep pothole - A tractor or 4x4 repeatedly spinning their wheels does
nunpuncher said:
Let's be honest. it's the noise. Folk don't like the noise. Even a GS with a lardy middle aged man onboard will do less damage than a couple of 500kg horses out a hack but I bet the ramblers ain't complaining about them... they probably think it's lovely and adds to the whole countryside experience.
My wife and daughter ride horses often on the same land that my son and I ride our bikes on and I don't recall my wife ever having a run in with someone or having the police called on them.
It is largely the noise, hence why these dicks on Surrons and Stingers are riding where they like without complaint because no one can hear them. I have had complaints from walkers whilst out on my emtb though when on a track I'm fully legal to ride on. I'm a walker myself but there's a certain section that seems to think they dictate the rules. They're usually a lot older too.My wife and daughter ride horses often on the same land that my son and I ride our bikes on and I don't recall my wife ever having a run in with someone or having the police called on them.
Right on cue this popped up in my feed
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/vQFmT2La792xwW3X/
Someone riding perfectly legally and sensibly, willing to have a conversation and educate a walker yet the peasant wishes to remain ignorant
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/vQFmT2La792xwW3X/
Someone riding perfectly legally and sensibly, willing to have a conversation and educate a walker yet the peasant wishes to remain ignorant
KTMsm said:
Right on cue this popped up in my feed
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/vQFmT2La792xwW3X/
Someone riding perfectly legally and sensibly, willing to have a conversation and educate a walker yet the peasant wishes to remain ignorant
That looks like the pigeon tower down to the carpark. It's the only interesting part around there (I've cycled down it a few times years ago). https://www.facebook.com/share/r/vQFmT2La792xwW3X/
Someone riding perfectly legally and sensibly, willing to have a conversation and educate a walker yet the peasant wishes to remain ignorant
That's not a walker. That's a random bloke walking a dog. Walkers walk MILES and wear the right kit.
Dog walkers often let the dogs off the lead in the Peak district and then get verbally abusive.
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