Lifesaver left, right, up, down?
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Hi, chaps. Had a TVR for years, but it's not much good at filtering in the London traffic...
So, i've gone and done my CBT, got my test on Friday, and have put a deposit on a Hornet 600. (Black one - they're faster).
Quick question, and yes my instructor has told me, but i need a reminder for lifesavers on mini, as opposed to large roundabouts....
What are the general conventions for straight on or right turn for each?
Also, is putting your mobile in a tank bag, and having the hands free into your helmet a bad idea? This would be for long distance, not for inner city riding, i'll add.
Ithangyou.
So, i've gone and done my CBT, got my test on Friday, and have put a deposit on a Hornet 600. (Black one - they're faster).
Quick question, and yes my instructor has told me, but i need a reminder for lifesavers on mini, as opposed to large roundabouts....
What are the general conventions for straight on or right turn for each?
Also, is putting your mobile in a tank bag, and having the hands free into your helmet a bad idea? This would be for long distance, not for inner city riding, i'll add.
Ithangyou.
I'm a bit confused by the question... But lifesavers, as far as the test is concerned do them whenever you move t change direction, make a turn etc. If you are turning right, do a lifesaver as you move to the right and then another over your right shoulder as you turn. Turning left look over your left shoulder before you turn, you are looking for stuff coming up your inside. Obviously do one whenever you pull away from the side of the road, and don't forget the one just before you move off for the U turn.
No doubt so one else will come along who can be more informative than me... When you have passed dont give up on them, very easy to do, but in my view there are times when its more dangerous to do a lifesaver than not. But thats for after you have passed!
Good luck!!!
No doubt so one else will come along who can be more informative than me... When you have passed dont give up on them, very easy to do, but in my view there are times when its more dangerous to do a lifesaver than not. But thats for after you have passed!
Good luck!!!
Always a left shoulder life saver just before exiting a roundabout to make sure a car has not crept up on you and wants to keep going round or has just entered roundabout on exit (entry for him) before yours.
Remember you'll not fail for doing a lifesaver (unless you seem too cautious)!!
Remember you'll not fail for doing a lifesaver (unless you seem too cautious)!!
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 12th February 19:40
garyhun said:
Always a left shoulder life saver just before exiting a roundabout to make sure a car has not crept up on you and wants to keep going round or has just entered roundabout on exit (entry for him) before yours.
Remember you'll not fail for doing a lifesaver (unless you seem too cautious)!!
Remember you'll not fail for doing a lifesaver (unless you seem too cautious)!!
Edited by garyhun on Monday 12th February 19:40
agree with gary. thats a first and he's right. god forgot all my training and i passed mt DAS only last Oct
In the summer I was taught:
Left lifesaver on the approach to the roundabout as you are turning left first.
Left lifesaver before you turn off the roundabout.
This counts for both normal and mini roundabouts.
I found it really disconcerting looking left on the approach when my instinct was screaming at me to look right so I was told to do the left lifesaver a bit earlier and "get it out of the way". Also, when going straight on on a normal roundabout a right lifesaver half way around is optional but "good practice".
There you go: everything I know about roundabouts.
Left lifesaver on the approach to the roundabout as you are turning left first.
Left lifesaver before you turn off the roundabout.
This counts for both normal and mini roundabouts.
I found it really disconcerting looking left on the approach when my instinct was screaming at me to look right so I was told to do the left lifesaver a bit earlier and "get it out of the way". Also, when going straight on on a normal roundabout a right lifesaver half way around is optional but "good practice".
There you go: everything I know about roundabouts.
Edited by hiccy on Monday 12th February 20:01
remal said:
garyhun said:
Always a left shoulder life saver just before exiting a roundabout to make sure a car has not crept up on you and wants to keep going round or has just entered roundabout on exit (entry for him) before yours.
Remember you'll not fail for doing a lifesaver (unless you seem too cautious)!!
Remember you'll not fail for doing a lifesaver (unless you seem too cautious)!!
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 12th February 19:40
agree with gary. thats a first and he's right. god forgot all my training and i passed mt DAS only last Oct
frightening!!!garyhun said:
remal said:
garyhun said:
Always a left shoulder life saver just before exiting a roundabout to make sure a car has not crept up on you and wants to keep going round or has just entered roundabout on exit (entry for him) before yours.
Remember you'll not fail for doing a lifesaver (unless you seem too cautious)!!
Remember you'll not fail for doing a lifesaver (unless you seem too cautious)!!
Edited by garyhun on Monday 12th February 19:40
agree with gary. thats a first and he's right. god forgot all my training and i passed mt DAS only last Oct
frightening!!!God yes... I'll admit it, I very rarly do lifesavers unless iI'm on the motorway... naughty I know! But in defence, I spend most of my urban riding in London and I'm far more concerned about what is going on in front!!!!
The question was regarding mini roundabouts, and I'm pretty sure you just treat them like a normal junction - ie, right life saver for turning right, left for left.
Don't see why you'd need one for straight on though as you are not changing road position...
MUST do a (visible) mirror check though.
Good luck!
Don't see why you'd need one for straight on though as you are not changing road position...
MUST do a (visible) mirror check though.
Good luck!
twit said:
garyhun said:
remal said:
garyhun said:
Always a left shoulder life saver just before exiting a roundabout to make sure a car has not crept up on you and wants to keep going round or has just entered roundabout on exit (entry for him) before yours.
Remember you'll not fail for doing a lifesaver (unless you seem too cautious)!!
Remember you'll not fail for doing a lifesaver (unless you seem too cautious)!!
Edited by garyhun on Monday 12th February 19:40
agree with gary. thats a first and he's right. god forgot all my training and i passed mt DAS only last Oct
frightening!!!God yes... I'll admit it, I very rarly do lifesavers unless iI'm on the motorway... naughty I know! But in defence, I spend most of my urban riding in London and I'm far more concerned about what is going on in front!!!!
again agree with you. Check in the mirrors but should do life saver not not as oftern as I was taught.
virgil said:
The question was regarding mini roundabouts, and I'm pretty sure you just treat them like a normal junction - ie, right life saver for turning right, left for left.
Again, I'm just passing on what i was taught: treat mini-roundabouts the exact same as normal ones. Lifesaver on, lifesaver off.
hiccy said:
virgil said:
The question was regarding mini roundabouts, and I'm pretty sure you just treat them like a normal junction - ie, right life saver for turning right, left for left.
Again, I'm just passing on what i was taught: treat mini-roundabouts the exact same as normal ones. Lifesaver on, lifesaver off.
When I did my DAS I was told by my instructor to do lifesavers at all roundabouts including mini roundabouts, however after my test I was told by the examiner that there is no need to do lifesavers at mini roundabouts, which you can see are clear as you approach them......thankfully I still passed
spdpug98 said:
When I did my DAS I was told by my instructor to do lifesavers at all roundabouts including mini roundabouts, however after my test I was told by the examiner that there is no need to do lifesavers at mini roundabouts, which you can see are clear as you approach them......thankfully I still passed
Therein lies good advice! In the test do lifesavers whenever you think you MAY need to do them. You won't fail for doing too many but will for doing too few. Once passed refine when you think you need to do them!
Im training to be an instructor so here's what i've been told.Left lifesaver on approach to roundabout.If taking first exit on roundabout no lifesaver needed,just indication.If taking second exit with only two exits available indicate for your turn off when passing first exit,then right shoulder check as you turn off(good practice as mentioned earlier)If there are three exits signal right on approach and do a right shoulder check,when on a two lane roundabout,you'll be on the inside of roundabout till you want to leave the third exit,just when passing second exit indicate left and do a left shoulder check and switch to outer lane and take your exit.What i've been told about mini-roundabouts is yes,treat them the same but you've less time to do things actually on the roundabout.If there are two exits and you take the second turning,indicate right on approach,no need to indicate left for your turn off as time is restrictive,do it out of courtesy though if you can if there's a car waiting to enter roundabout at your exit.Not much time to do right shoulder check when you leave but try if possible to be technically correct.Don't know how your taught but when your on your new road right after the roundabout teh three C,s,cancel indicators,check they are cancelled and then check mirrors.I'll just run and hide now incase i've cocked any of that up!(Well it is 2.30 in the morning!!!)
rumpelstiltskin said:
Im training to be an instructor so here's what i've been told.Left lifesaver on approach to roundabout.If taking first exit on roundabout no lifesaver needed,just indication.If taking second exit with only two exits available indicate for your turn off when passing first exit,then right shoulder check as you turn off(good practice as mentioned earlier)If there are three exits signal right on approach and do a right shoulder check,when on a two lane roundabout,you'll be on the inside of roundabout till you want to leave the third exit,just when passing second exit indicate left and do a left shoulder check and switch to outer lane and take your exit.What i've been told about mini-roundabouts is yes,treat them the same but you've less time to do things actually on the roundabout.If there are two exits and you take the second turning,indicate right on approach,no need to indicate left for your turn off as time is restrictive,do it out of courtesy though if you can if there's a car waiting to enter roundabout at your exit.Not much time to do right shoulder check when you leave but try if possible to be technically correct.Don't know how your taught but when your on your new road right after the roundabout teh three C,s,cancel indicators,check they are cancelled and then check mirrors.I'll just run and hide now incase i've cocked any of that up!(Well it is 2.30 in the morning!!!)
I assume you mean left!!!
Right shoulder check before leaving second exit if you're on the outer of the two lanes on a roundabout.Left lifesaver check while passing second exit if your taking the third exit(you'll be on the inside lane,going all the way round the roundabout and you have to cross over to the outer lane to take third exit,hence shoulder check)then take your exit.Well that's what its got on my notes right in front of me anyway.The reason for looking over right shoulder while about to turn off at second exit is incase any numpty going around the roundabout on the inside with you decides to take same exit as you and trys to cut across you if they don't see you in their blindspot(Happened to me one day when i was in a car!White van just squeezed across and would have just rammed me off the road!)
Edited by rumpelstiltskin on Thursday 15th February 13:15
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