Bikers on the Ring
Discussion
Hello,
I am a non-biker, although saying that my Dad is on his 3rd Harley, this time a Road King and he has owned a Hayabusa in the past.
I have visited the Ring a number of times now as a car driver, to use my road car as well as a hire car last time, but what is the bikers mentality of passing a car just before taking the apex of a corner? This has hampered my laps on most of my laps.
The 1st time I was there, a memorable incident was just as I was about to take to the Karussell, I was past by a british registered bike. The rider promptly slowed up to a safe biking speed around the corner, but me with my 4 wheeled car went into it at around 40-50 mph and almost tapped his/her rear wheel because he/she was so much slower than I was going through the corner. It has happened a number of times to me going into other tight corners or even worse, passing me on the left hand side as I was on the apex of a corner.
Why does this happen? Why can't the bikers realise that cars corner so much quicker than bikes do, unless you are called Valentino Rossi? I thought all bikers knew that!
Please enlighten me...
Thank you.
I am a non-biker, although saying that my Dad is on his 3rd Harley, this time a Road King and he has owned a Hayabusa in the past.
I have visited the Ring a number of times now as a car driver, to use my road car as well as a hire car last time, but what is the bikers mentality of passing a car just before taking the apex of a corner? This has hampered my laps on most of my laps.
The 1st time I was there, a memorable incident was just as I was about to take to the Karussell, I was past by a british registered bike. The rider promptly slowed up to a safe biking speed around the corner, but me with my 4 wheeled car went into it at around 40-50 mph and almost tapped his/her rear wheel because he/she was so much slower than I was going through the corner. It has happened a number of times to me going into other tight corners or even worse, passing me on the left hand side as I was on the apex of a corner.
Why does this happen? Why can't the bikers realise that cars corner so much quicker than bikes do, unless you are called Valentino Rossi? I thought all bikers knew that!
Please enlighten me...
Thank you.
rcarr said:
Hello,
I am a non-biker, although saying that my Dad is on his 3rd Harley, this time a Road King and he has owned a Hayabusa in the past.
I have visited the Ring a number of times now as a car driver, to use my road car as well as a hire car last time, but what is the bikers mentality of passing a car just before taking the apex of a corner? This has hampered my laps on most of my laps.
The 1st time I was there, a memorable incident was just as I was about to take to the Karussell, I was past by a british registered bike. The rider promptly slowed up to a safe biking speed around the corner, but me with my 4 wheeled car went into it at around 40-50 mph and almost tapped his/her rear wheel because he/she was so much slower than I was going through the corner. It has happened a number of times to me going into other tight corners or even worse, passing me on the left hand side as I was on the apex of a corner.
Why does this happen? Why can't the bikers realise that cars corner so much quicker than bikes do, unless you are called Valentino Rossi? I thought all bikers knew that!
Please enlighten me...
Thank you.
I am a non-biker, although saying that my Dad is on his 3rd Harley, this time a Road King and he has owned a Hayabusa in the past.
I have visited the Ring a number of times now as a car driver, to use my road car as well as a hire car last time, but what is the bikers mentality of passing a car just before taking the apex of a corner? This has hampered my laps on most of my laps.
The 1st time I was there, a memorable incident was just as I was about to take to the Karussell, I was past by a british registered bike. The rider promptly slowed up to a safe biking speed around the corner, but me with my 4 wheeled car went into it at around 40-50 mph and almost tapped his/her rear wheel because he/she was so much slower than I was going through the corner. It has happened a number of times to me going into other tight corners or even worse, passing me on the left hand side as I was on the apex of a corner.
Why does this happen? Why can't the bikers realise that cars corner so much quicker than bikes do, unless you are called Valentino Rossi? I thought all bikers knew that!
Please enlighten me...
Thank you.
It's a wind up!!
Don't bite..
Its not a wind up!
I am generally interested why bikers think they can go into a corner just after they passed a car which undoubtedly corners quicker! I am sure that is how most of the accients happen on the Ring.
I don't go for a "trackday," I am a racing driver and I care more about the heritage of the place more than most people!
I am generally interested why bikers think they can go into a corner just after they passed a car which undoubtedly corners quicker! I am sure that is how most of the accients happen on the Ring.
I don't go for a "trackday," I am a racing driver and I care more about the heritage of the place more than most people!
rcarr said:
Its not a wind up!
I am generally interested why bikers think they can go into a corner just after they passed a car which undoubtedly corners quicker! I am sure that is how most of the accients happen on the Ring.
I don't go for a "trackday," I am a racing driver and I care more about the heritage of the place more than most people!
I am generally interested why bikers think they can go into a corner just after they passed a car which undoubtedly corners quicker! I am sure that is how most of the accients happen on the Ring.
I don't go for a "trackday," I am a racing driver and I care more about the heritage of the place more than most people!
Well if it's not a wind up, I apologise.
As for bikes holding car's up in corners, I can't speak for other people, but, when i've been there if anything (bike or car) catches me up, I will let them past.
"trackday", please, you do not know me....
Motorsport is my passion. Bikes or car's.
rcarr said:
No, it isn't the same!
This is about the Nurburgring and the Nurburg only, not bike vs car in general!
No, probably a Suzuki or a Honda, it was a fairly sporty bike! Obviously not an R1 or Hayabusa.
This is about the Nurburgring and the Nurburg only, not bike vs car in general!
No, probably a Suzuki or a Honda, it was a fairly sporty bike! Obviously not an R1 or Hayabusa.
Edited by rcarr on Thursday 22 February 00:18
Sorry mate, if you read that thread you'll see it quickly turned into exactly the conversation you've just started.
(Umm, basically)
..perhaps the bikers think any momentery loss of speed through the corner just after an overtake may be only momentary as they assume they will bugger off down the straight ...not always the case ...lots of mixes of machinery & abilities on the same track..which could perhaps be the case in this instance...a fast car with a careful driver could cause the same problem....it just tends to hurt more if you fall off a bike & it`s only the faster, more experienced riders are comfortable riding at the higher corner speeds ...
rcarr said:
Hello,
I am a non-biker, although saying that my Dad is on his 3rd Harley, this time a Road King and he has owned a Hayabusa in the past.
...
Why does this happen? Why can't the bikers realise that cars corner so much quicker than bikes do, unless you are called Valentino Rossi? I thought all bikers knew that!
Please enlighten me...
Thank you.
I am a non-biker, although saying that my Dad is on his 3rd Harley, this time a Road King and he has owned a Hayabusa in the past.
...
Why does this happen? Why can't the bikers realise that cars corner so much quicker than bikes do, unless you are called Valentino Rossi? I thought all bikers knew that!
Please enlighten me...
Thank you.
Why do non-biking car drivers assume that the readers of Biker Banter will justify/defend any/all moves by any biker anywhere in the world? Are they really so hard of thinking 
as to not realize that unless one of us is the biker in question, we won’t know why a particular maneuver was undertaken? 
In answer to the original post I expect the biker got it slightly wrong. I have occasionally heard of situations where car drivers also get it wrong – please can you justify all of those?
black-k1 said:
rcarr said:
Hello,
I am a non-biker, although saying that my Dad is on his 3rd Harley, this time a Road King and he has owned a Hayabusa in the past.
...
Why does this happen? Why can't the bikers realise that cars corner so much quicker than bikes do, unless you are called Valentino Rossi? I thought all bikers knew that!
Please enlighten me...
Thank you.
I am a non-biker, although saying that my Dad is on his 3rd Harley, this time a Road King and he has owned a Hayabusa in the past.
...
Why does this happen? Why can't the bikers realise that cars corner so much quicker than bikes do, unless you are called Valentino Rossi? I thought all bikers knew that!
Please enlighten me...
Thank you.
Why do non-biking car drivers assume that the readers of Biker Banter will justify/defend any/all moves by any biker anywhere in the world? Are they really so hard of thinking as to not realize that unless one of us is the biker in question, we won’t know why a particular maneuver was undertaken? In answer to the original post I expect the biker got it slightly wrong. I have occasionally heard of situations where car drivers also get it wrong – please can you justify all of those?
This is the same question as "why do people stay in the middle lane on motorways", or "why do people turning right keep their car ove to the left to prevent filtering" or "why do cars pull out on bikes without indicating" or "why did that biker do x,y,z"
Who
ing knows is the answer. Next time it happens ask the INDIVIDUAL who did this thing otherwise all you are doing is making, and looking for, gross generalisations!!!
DOH!!!!!!!
Who
ing knows is the answer. Next time it happens ask the INDIVIDUAL who did this thing otherwise all you are doing is making, and looking for, gross generalisations!!! DOH!!!!!!!
Assuming the original poster isn't a troll then surely the question should have been why do 'people' overtake in strange places at the 'Ring? Spent a fair bit of time there myself and I've seen some eye popping moves by BOTH cars and bikes! As a car driver and racer I tend to come at things from a driver's angle but given that the one component common to both cars and bikes is the guy in control it surely follows that either is likely to do something stoopid IMO. Of course there is also the possibility that a car driver is also a keen biker and visa versa . 
Coming back to bikes next month btw so I'll be one of those numpties with all the gear but no idea - but I will be trying to stay aware and alive!
Coming back to bikes next month btw so I'll be one of those numpties with all the gear but no idea - but I will be trying to stay aware and alive!Simplistically, after going since 1997, and having done approaching 800 laps, I think a large part of this is inexperienced brit bikers on big sportsbikes trying to 'beat' the 'next' car they come across.
As they often do not know the track, their lines are all over the shop and they often rely on point and squirt techniques, which is bloody annoying if you're in a fast car - my Caterham will go round in a tad over 8 minutes these days... I think unless you're quick on a UK trackday, or an experienced fast road rider (i.e. maintain peripheral awareness naturally) then the Ring is not the place for you. Lots of riders on current big sportsbikes can't ride them that quick, but more importantly, several that I've come across don't seem to have the capacity to recognise what's going on around them.
For example, the sort of c0ck who wear any form of helmet 'hair' (or assocaited crap) often doesn't seem to have the intellectual capacity to process more than one piece of information at once. Maybe this is due to the demographic that bikes typically attract (historically)?
As they often do not know the track, their lines are all over the shop and they often rely on point and squirt techniques, which is bloody annoying if you're in a fast car - my Caterham will go round in a tad over 8 minutes these days... I think unless you're quick on a UK trackday, or an experienced fast road rider (i.e. maintain peripheral awareness naturally) then the Ring is not the place for you. Lots of riders on current big sportsbikes can't ride them that quick, but more importantly, several that I've come across don't seem to have the capacity to recognise what's going on around them.
For example, the sort of c0ck who wear any form of helmet 'hair' (or assocaited crap) often doesn't seem to have the intellectual capacity to process more than one piece of information at once. Maybe this is due to the demographic that bikes typically attract (historically)?
Edited by fergus on Thursday 22 February 12:11
fergus said:
I think unless you're quick on a UK trackday, or an experienced fast road rider (i.e. maintain peripheral awareness naturally) then the Ring is not the place for you. Lots of riders on current big sportsbikes can't ride them that quick, but more importantly, several that I've come across don't seem to have the capacity to recognise what's going on around them.
Reading what you've previously said, I came to the same conclusion, I doubt I'd venture near the ring on two wheels. I'm doubtful about going there on four without substantially more track time.
black-k1 said:
rcarr said:
Hello,
I am a non-biker, although saying that my Dad is on his 3rd Harley, this time a Road King and he has owned a Hayabusa in the past.
...
Why does this happen? Why can't the bikers realise that cars corner so much quicker than bikes do, unless you are called Valentino Rossi? I thought all bikers knew that!
Please enlighten me...
Thank you.
I am a non-biker, although saying that my Dad is on his 3rd Harley, this time a Road King and he has owned a Hayabusa in the past.
...
Why does this happen? Why can't the bikers realise that cars corner so much quicker than bikes do, unless you are called Valentino Rossi? I thought all bikers knew that!
Please enlighten me...
Thank you.
Why do non-biking car drivers assume that the readers of Biker Banter will justify/defend any/all moves by any biker anywhere in the world? Are they really so hard of thinking as to not realize that unless one of us is the biker in question, we won’t know why a particular maneuver was undertaken? In answer to the original post I expect the biker got it slightly wrong. I have occasionally heard of situations where car drivers also get it wrong – please can you justify all of those?
Have to agree, if you're not actually trolling rcarr, you're doing a damn fine impression of it. If you want an explanation there are better ways to get it than antagonising it out of people. You could do a lot worse than read what Fergus has to say, since he's spent a significant amount of tracktime on both two and four wheels.
Steve.
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