Knees down! whats going wrong here...

[biker's nemesis]

Rawwr said:

Alex@POD said:

Anyway, what do you call chicken strips?

[YamR1V64motion]

biker's nemesis said:

sammy_bibs said:

Hi,

Recently had new rear tire fitted and she's wearing in ok most of the way round but getting to them evil edges is proving to be a real pain! I seem to have a lot more fear on the road than on the track, however I want to clarify that I am not killing my bike the way I am riding it.

I have a nice roundabout just near me, that offers 2 long swooping bends to get down on (I see them all the time at it) anyhow I am going round this at about 30Mph in 1st gear at about 9500 revs on my CBR600. Would I be better of trying higher gear lower revs? I understand the 60/40 ratio but I fear that if I drop a gear and drop the revs the bike will just slide out once I get it down (if ever!).

Can you share you wise and wonderfull wisdom on this one?

Does anyone else favour going down one side over the other? My left chicken wing is 5*bigger than right!

Sam..

There is absolutely no point in getting your knee down on the road.

You're heading for the mother of all highsides at nearly ten thousand rev's in first gear

If you must though, try third gear and shift one of your cheeks (arse) off the side of the seat and push your knee down to the tarmac.

If at first you don't succeed, repeat until you do or fall off through being dizzy.

Like I said it's not only a bad idea but illegal.

Be safe

John.

what he said i couldnt agree more with, doing it on the roads ok if your on a smooth roundabout and traffic is minimal otherwise theres no point as especially in most corners it can actually make you go slower, also agree about using 1st gear, ive always used 3rd on my Fireblade, 1st would give me less confidence as i would be scared about been spat off any second, much better to use 3rd and carry the speed while having lower revs if that makes sense?

Edited by YamR1V64motion on Friday 13th April 01:23

[black-k1]

YamR1V64motion said:

biker's nemesis said:

sammy_bibs said:

Hi,

Recently had new rear tire fitted and she's wearing in ok most of the way round but getting to them evil edges is proving to be a real pain! I seem to have a lot more fear on the road than on the track, however I want to clarify that I am not killing my bike the way I am riding it.

I have a nice roundabout just near me, that offers 2 long swooping bends to get down on (I see them all the time at it) anyhow I am going round this at about 30Mph in 1st gear at about 9500 revs on my CBR600. Would I be better of trying higher gear lower revs? I understand the 60/40 ratio but I fear that if I drop a gear and drop the revs the bike will just slide out once I get it down (if ever!).

Can you share you wise and wonderfull wisdom on this one?

Does anyone else favour going down one side over the other? My left chicken wing is 5*bigger than right!

Sam..

There is absolutely no point in getting your knee down on the road.

You're heading for the mother of all highsides at nearly ten thousand rev's in first gear

If you must though, try third gear and shift one of your cheeks (arse) off the side of the seat and push your knee down to the tarmac.

If at first you don't succeed, repeat until you do or fall off through being dizzy.

Like I said it's not only a bad idea but illegal.

Be safe

John.

what he said i couldnt agree more with, doing it on the roads ok if your on a smooth roundabout and traffic is minimal otherwise theres no point as especially in most corners it can actually make you go slower, also agree about using 1st gear, ive always used 3rd on my Fireblade, 1st would give me less confidence as i would be scared about been spat off any second, much better to use 3rd and carry the speed while having lower revs if that makes sense?

As has been said before, getting your knee down on the road is pointless and dangerous. It is unlikely that plod would actually do you for it (it would be ‘driving without due care and attention’ if they did) but it does give them an excuse to pull you and check things like how loud your can is, what size your number plate is and to give you a ‘producer’ just for the hell of it.

Riding like that in first gear is even dafter. A tyre can only take so much force before it ‘lets go’ and slides. When you are cornering near the limit you are already putting a large amount of sideways force on the tyre. The slightest change in throttle opening in first gear will have a significant impact on the acceleration/deceleration of the bike thus adding significant extra force to the tyre. If you are in a higher gear then the rate of acceleration/deceleration when the throttle is moved is less thus the extra force applied to the tyre is less. Less extra force = less chance of a slide.

Concentrate on being smooth through the corners with good positioning and good visibility. Speed through the corners will come as a natural ‘by product’.

Ride safe and enjoy

[308mate]

sammy_bibs said:

Hi,

Recently had new rear tire fitted and she's wearing in ok most of the way round but getting to them evil edges is proving to be a real pain! I seem to have a lot more fear on the road than on the track, however I want to clarify that I am not killing my bike the way I am riding it.

I have a nice roundabout just near me, that offers 2 long swooping bends to get down on (I see them all the time at it) anyhow I am going round this at about 30Mph in 1st gear at about 9500 revs on my CBR600. Would I be better of trying higher gear lower revs? I understand the 60/40 ratio but I fear that if I drop a gear and drop the revs the bike will just slide out once I get it down (if ever!).

Can you share you wise and wonderfull wisdom on this one?



Sam..

Are you serious? You want advice about how to scrub off every last mm of your chicken strip?

Ok:

stop wasting your time trying to scrub out your entire chicken strips you clown!

Many of the fastest riders I know, have chicken strips of some sort when on the road. It means nothing. Plus the fact different tyres have different profiles, so its easier to scrub them off some than it is others. (for instance, youll be going well to get a Diablo Corsa right to the edge on the road, but its not such a big deal with a Pilot Sport)

Put the same effort into getting smooth and never going below 8000rpm on your next breakfast run and youll find you wont even care about getting your knee down. In fact, I would bet money that you know at least two people who ride faster than you who dont drag their knee on the road(?)

So why all the fuss?

Besides, chicks are far more impressed by wheelies, get those down-pat first!

[sammy_bibs]

Wheelies, thats far to scarry for me at the moment! Once by accident, was scarry! But thanks for your pointers on cornering (I will keep it safe).

Think I may follow some of the more experienced bikers & see how they tackle the roads. Or simply tell my boss to stick his work load & get down on the track.

Sam..

[hornetrider]

I don't understand all this knee down nonsense to be honest, unless you are at the very limit and wanting to find consistent leann angles on the track.

I was out at the weekend in a group of half a dozen quick riders. It was my first rideout on the Falco so I'm still finding out how to ride it properly. There was a guy on an R1 getting his knee down on a fair few corners - who was carrying the same speed as I was through those corners and I have never had my knee down in my life. I've scraped the footpegs though.

Whats the point?

Maybe the point is that his Ti knee sliders let out lots of sparks and that for him is cool.

[nords]

Alex@POD said:

I remember I used to try and get my knee down on my TZR 50... Anyway, what do you call chicken strips? I've never come accross the term before?

Alex, I posted here: [url]www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=74&t=378339&p=1[/url] and then read this one, have a look at the life of my tyre!

[y2blade]

308mate said:

sammy_bibs said:

Hi,

Recently had new rear tire fitted and she's wearing in ok most of the way round but getting to them evil edges is proving to be a real pain! I seem to have a lot more fear on the road than on the track, however I want to clarify that I am not killing my bike the way I am riding it.

I have a nice roundabout just near me, that offers 2 long swooping bends to get down on (I see them all the time at it) anyhow I am going round this at about 30Mph in 1st gear at about 9500 revs on my CBR600. Would I be better of trying higher gear lower revs? I understand the 60/40 ratio but I fear that if I drop a gear and drop the revs the bike will just slide out once I get it down (if ever!).

Can you share you wise and wonderfull wisdom on this one?



Sam..

Are you serious? You want advice about how to scrub off every last mm of your chicken strip?

Ok:

stop wasting your time trying to scrub out your entire chicken strips you clown!

Many of the fastest riders I know, have chicken strips of some sort when on the road. It means nothing. Plus the fact different tyres have different profiles, so its easier to scrub them off some than it is others. (for instance, youll be going well to get a Diablo Corsa right to the edge on the road, but its not such a big deal with a Pilot Sport)

Put the same effort into getting smooth and never going below 8000rpm on your next breakfast run and youll find you wont even care about getting your knee down. In fact, I would bet money that you know at least two people who ride faster than you who dont drag their knee on the road(?)

So why all the fuss?

Besides, chicks are far more impressed by wheelies, get those down-pat first!

well said i rarely get my knee down on the road unless i "want" to


wheelies are where its at...esp 3rd gear stand-ups atm

[sammy_bibs]

Y2, will you be out over the weekend sat/sun, I notice your a hampshire lad to, maybe I could pick your brain for some tips. Go for a spin and show me how it's done, I sometimes head up to portsdown hill to see who over there, but seems everyone else flocks to other places, alton & dorking I believe. :P

Sam...

[y2blade]

sammy_bibs said:

Y2, will you be out over the weekend sat/sun, I notice your a hampshire lad to, maybe I could pick your brain for some tips. Go for a spin and show me how it's done, I sometimes head up to portsdown hill to see who over there, but seems everyone else flocks to other places, alton & dorking I believe. :P

Sam...

see how this goes first www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=378466&f=74&h=0

if im out it will be sat,i'll be glad to give you a demo tbh your best off learning yourself and taking your time with it,if you try rushing it you will feel a big pain in your wallet

im away sunday

[julianb]

Dunno what all the fuss is about. I'd rather keep my kneecaps attached to my knees!!!

Get a crosser and get dirt on the ends of the grips around a good berm. Now that's really laying it over...

[wassy]

Anyone who rides at more than 80% of their ability on the road is a fool.

[308mate]

wassy said:

Anyone who rides at more than 80% of their ability on the road is a fool.

Anyone who rides at less than 80% of their ability on the road is probably on a Harley

[308mate]

y2blade said:

308mate said:

sammy_bibs said:

Hi,

Recently had new rear tire fitted and she's wearing in ok most of the way round but getting to them evil edges is proving to be a real pain! I seem to have a lot more fear on the road than on the track, however I want to clarify that I am not killing my bike the way I am riding it.

I have a nice roundabout just near me, that offers 2 long swooping bends to get down on (I see them all the time at it) anyhow I am going round this at about 30Mph in 1st gear at about 9500 revs on my CBR600. Would I be better of trying higher gear lower revs? I understand the 60/40 ratio but I fear that if I drop a gear and drop the revs the bike will just slide out once I get it down (if ever!).

Can you share you wise and wonderfull wisdom on this one?



Sam..

Are you serious? You want advice about how to scrub off every last mm of your chicken strip?

Ok:

stop wasting your time trying to scrub out your entire chicken strips you clown!

Many of the fastest riders I know, have chicken strips of some sort when on the road. It means nothing. Plus the fact different tyres have different profiles, so its easier to scrub them off some than it is others. (for instance, youll be going well to get a Diablo Corsa right to the edge on the road, but its not such a big deal with a Pilot Sport)

Put the same effort into getting smooth and never going below 8000rpm on your next breakfast run and youll find you wont even care about getting your knee down. In fact, I would bet money that you know at least two people who ride faster than you who dont drag their knee on the road(?)

So why all the fuss?

Besides, chicks are far more impressed by wheelies, get those down-pat first!

well said i rarely get my knee down on the road unless i "want" to


wheelies are where its at...esp 3rd gear stand-ups atm

Niiice. Are you clutching it up in third? Standard gearing on the blade?

[Rawwr]

I know I'm quicker when I'm not trying to get my knee down. Got my knee down a few times to see what it was like but the trouble is I found myself concentrating more on my lean angles and body position than I was on actually getting around a corner.

[sammy_bibs]

Tried to get my wheel up earlier a few dozen times, but it just wont lift, and hitting the acceleration full on from stand still. The bike is trying to go but no pop!! and then i run outta revs.. :P

[308mate]

sammy_bibs said:

Tried to get my wheel up earlier a few dozen times, but it just wont lift, and hitting the acceleration full on from stand still. The bike is trying to go but no pop!! and then i run outta revs.. :P

On review of this thread, may I politely suggest you get BUPA cover before the weekend.

[sammy_bibs]

Ah i'm sure one will be ok, I get 'the fear' to much and cant do these things, but I see others doing it with such ease!! Fraustration... xD

Bibs...

[LordLanky]

What, like this !!

[grayxr]

IF YOU ARE RIDING SMOOTH AND FLOWING PUSHING YOUR WEIGHT ON THE FOOT PEGS TO DROP IT INTO A BEND AND YOU ARE CONFIDENT IN YOUR BIKE, YOU SHOULD FIND THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO TRY AND SCRAPE YOUR KNEE ,BUT HAVE TO KEEP IT UP TO AVOID CATS EYES ,MOST SPORTS BIKES HAVE HAVE RIDDEN ON TRACKS AND THE ROAD WILL ALL SCRAPE THE FOOT PEGS ON THE ROAD AND YOU END UP HAVING TO HOLD YOUR KNEE UP .
AS FOR WHEELIES ,BUY A SUPERMOTO AND PRACTICE {SEE PIC ON PERSONAL INFO}
HAVE FUN