Dovi: 800s are for poofs
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Andrea Dovizioso qouted from an interview on www.crash.net
Time for a TC ban?
AD said:
I found the RC212V easier to ride than my 250, the electronics control things very well," declared the Italian. "The power is good but there's not too much like the older 990cc bike, which I tried back in 2004. People ask about the difference between the 250 and the 800. The biggest thing is the completely different way the power comes in: with the 250 the power is high in the rev-range, with the 800 there is power everywhere.
"The electronics make a big difference. On every corner I can fully open the throttle and the traction control handles it – even on a bike with more than 100bhp more than my 250! If I did that on a 250 I would go flying in the air and it would hurt!" he smiled.
"I think that the electronics can be both good and bad, as sometimes I would like a bike that I could powerslide and perhaps one that would be a little more difficult to ride. The only difficulty I had today was coping with the engine braking system, the feeling is so much different to my 250cc two-stroke.
What does it say about the 'premier' class, when a 250 rider jumps straight on an 800 for the first time & says it's easier to ride than a 250?"The electronics make a big difference. On every corner I can fully open the throttle and the traction control handles it – even on a bike with more than 100bhp more than my 250! If I did that on a 250 I would go flying in the air and it would hurt!" he smiled.
"I think that the electronics can be both good and bad, as sometimes I would like a bike that I could powerslide and perhaps one that would be a little more difficult to ride. The only difficulty I had today was coping with the engine braking system, the feeling is so much different to my 250cc two-stroke.
Time for a TC ban?
Centurion07 said:
JS99 said:
What does it say about the 'premier' class, when a 250 rider jumps straight on an 800 for the first time & says it's easier to ride than a 250?
Not a lot till he puts some times in that back up what he says? 
What i find disapointing, Is hearing a 250 rider saying that you can just wind the throttle on to the limit & let the machine do the rest & that if he tried that on his 250, it would launch him into orbit. That tells me that all the throttle control skills that they spent years learining in the lower classes, is now all wasted.
Edited by JS99 on Wednesday 7th November 19:51
I agree.
I did find Pedrosa's recent practice start, where the electronics failed, quite indicative of how much the riders have handed-over control to the computers.
In fact I think 125 has become the most exciting class because there's less technology involved, you can tell it's the riders who make the difference (not the software engineers).
Please don't let MotoGP become like F1, puppet-drivers, pit-crew and lawyers.
I did find Pedrosa's recent practice start, where the electronics failed, quite indicative of how much the riders have handed-over control to the computers.
In fact I think 125 has become the most exciting class because there's less technology involved, you can tell it's the riders who make the difference (not the software engineers).
Please don't let MotoGP become like F1, puppet-drivers, pit-crew and lawyers.
Stoner and Pedrosa in particular have shown that 800s can still spin up the rear, slide and back into corners just like before. I just think it's a riding style thing that some haven't yet got used to on these bikes and be quick at the same time. It's the ones who have only recently moved onto a MotoGP bike that seem to be adapting quicker, not immediately but with some experience to be comfortable with the power and tyres first.
FourWheelDrift said:
Stoner and Pedrosa in particular have shown that 800s can still spin up the rear, slide and back into corners just like before.
But the question is, Who is controlling that spin - Rider or TC system?If the answer is the TC system, then all the riders can only accellerate as fast as the TC system will allow them to & if your electronics aren't working as well as your rivals, you don't stand much chance of winning... For me this isn't what motogp should be about.
f1 have seen the light and are bringing in a common ecu without traction control
would be nice to see the bikes with out it again.
i want to see stoner what stoner can do with out the help.
id love to see him still be quick but when he didnt have the tc he was binning it very regularly!!
would be nice to see the bikes with out it again.
i want to see stoner what stoner can do with out the help.
id love to see him still be quick but when he didnt have the tc he was binning it very regularly!!
Centurion07 said:
JS99 said:
What does it say about the 'premier' class, when a 250 rider jumps straight on an 800 for the first time & says it's easier to ride than a 250?
Not a lot till he puts some times in that back up what he says? Anyway, here's an interview with Alex Barros, this is what Dovi is on about
Q: The Ducati is a very different bike when compared to the japanese ones, isn't it?
AB: Yeah. Its highlight is the engine's power. The chassis demands a certain strength when trying to get it into the corners. Look at my hand. These calluses are Ducati (laughs). But I think the main advantage Ducati had this season were the eletronics. The Magneti Marelli system is the most evolved of all. I can't talk much about it, but no other brand has a management system that is as good. The traction control isn't like those of other bikes, where the setup is unique for each track. Ours changes according to the way each person rides the bike, the parameters are different for each corner, individually, and this advantage was key in order for Ducati to be in front and win the title
FourWheelDrift said:
Stoner and Pedrosa in particular have shown that 800s can still spin up the rear, slide and back into corners just like before. I just think it's a riding style thing that some haven't yet got used to on these bikes and be quick at the same time. It's the ones who have only recently moved onto a MotoGP bike that seem to be adapting quicker, not immediately but with some experience to be comfortable with the power and tyres first.
Sliding the back into corners is great viewing but it would be even better if you knew the rider was doing it 100% as opposed to banging it down 4 gears & letting the slipper clutch handle the finesse...hard to change really as bike motorsport has embraced assisted slipper clutches for some time now.......I think it was Kenny Roberts that suggested TC cuts around 2 seconds from the lap times...would the racing be any worse off if TC was banned...I don`t think so..
Ideally give them another year to perfect the systems so they can be swapped to road bikes...then away with it...
The racing is now revolving on what tyre can deliver the goods in the race more than the riders ability to use his machine to get a win.
Edited by F.M on Thursday 8th November 12:58
F.M said:
Ideally give them another year to perfect the systems so they can be swappped to road bikes...then do away with it...
Wouldn't want it on a road bike either. Can you imagine someone tanking around a corner on the absolute ragged edge all the time only for the surface to change or for them to have to brake and them to exist stage left? It's all very well having these things and having talent on a bike but they are no substitute for talent or skill.Edited by dern on Thursday 8th November 10:38
Biker's Nemesis said:
I couldn't think of anything worse, than TC on road bikes. There's more than enough "30 something, just passed my test" bell ends on the road now. Give them a bit more false security.
Wasn't like this in my day, bla, bla, bla, grumble, moan.
Lol. It's true though in some cases isn't it.Wasn't like this in my day, bla, bla, bla, grumble, moan.
You know who I mean.
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