Wearing jeans on a bike
Discussion
Mr J said:
rhinochopig said:
And if you still think its cool to wear jeans
You're ragging on people who wear jeans when there's people riding around in a t-shrit, shorts and sandals? And then on top of that you're laying the blame of all bike-related issues on them? Wearing only jeans isn't advised, but you win the prize for the overreaction of the internets.http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c15/britm1218/ro...
She was wearing Jeans and Sweatshirt. That's why I feel strongly about the subject. I don't think I was over reacting.
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Edited by dazren on Monday 30th June 18:38
NAS said:
*Knocks on all the wood I can find*
Which obviously didn't f**king work. Fell off yesterday. For the first time in 7 years. Doing no more than 10 mph on a roundabout (sunday morning, still waking up) when the front just veeeeeeeeery slowly slid on some diesel. Felt like a prat, could've held it, somehow my brain froze. Jeans, paddock jacket, no gloves. No rash, nothing. Bike slid about 4 feet. Was trying to hold it of the tarmac by lying underneath it which kinda worked. Only 200 pounds worth of damage.Lucky is my middle name.
rhinochopig said:
She was wearing Jeans and Sweatshirt. That's why I feel strongly about the subject. I don't think I was over reacting.
Jeans and a sweatshirt. You'd feel the same about a biker who is properly equipped apart from jeans? If you feel so strongly about jeans, I'd love to hear your opinion of shorts and a t-shirt. You directed your comment towards people who do it 'mostly right', when comments should really be directed to those who don't do any of it right, especially since there are so many of them (squids).Mr J said:
rhinochopig said:
She was wearing Jeans and Sweatshirt. That's why I feel strongly about the subject. I don't think I was over reacting.
Jeans and a sweatshirt. You'd feel the same about a biker who is properly equipped apart from jeans? If you feel so strongly about jeans, I'd love to hear your opinion of shorts and a t-shirt. You directed your comment towards people who do it 'mostly right', when comments should really be directed to those who don't do any of it right, especially since there are so many of them (squids).I'm not going to reply any more, as others have already stated they are bored of this discussion. I've made my point that it is dangerous and others have made theirs that it is a freedom of choice thing. I personally don't understand the objection to wearing clothing that will save your skin if you bin it. Wear jeans if you want to, and I sincerely hope if you ever do fall off you prove me wrong.
I live in Spain and if I want to go out for a 'spirited' ride I have to get up at 6am and get out and back before the sun gets too high for 6 months of the year.
Most of the time I wear just jeans, a long sleeved top (to stop the insects stinging my arms so much) and an open face helmet.
I was going to take the bike to visit someone 30k's away yesterday afternoon, its too hot for boots, gloves, jackets, full face helmets, leathers are a definite no-no so I took the car instead and turned the aircon on (it was 36 deg outside)
I don´t care what anybody else thinks and if someone begins to preach they get told to f off pretty rapidly, freedom of choice you see
Most of the time I wear just jeans, a long sleeved top (to stop the insects stinging my arms so much) and an open face helmet.
I was going to take the bike to visit someone 30k's away yesterday afternoon, its too hot for boots, gloves, jackets, full face helmets, leathers are a definite no-no so I took the car instead and turned the aircon on (it was 36 deg outside)
I don´t care what anybody else thinks and if someone begins to preach they get told to f off pretty rapidly, freedom of choice you see
rhinochopig said:
Mr J said:
rhinochopig said:
And if you still think its cool to wear jeans
You're ragging on people who wear jeans when there's people riding around in a t-shrit, shorts and sandals? And then on top of that you're laying the blame of all bike-related issues on them? Wearing only jeans isn't advised, but you win the prize for the overreaction of the internets.http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c15/britm1218/ro...
She was wearing Jeans and Sweatshirt. That's why I feel strongly about the subject. I don't think I was over reacting.
Google: RoadRash Queen
Edited by dazren on Monday 30th June 18:38
which contributed to her injuries the most do you think? falling off, or wearing jeans and sweatshirt?
bearing in mind that literally hundreds of thousands of trips have been made on bikes by people wearing jeans and sweatshirt, they aren't suffering from any injuries if they didn't fall off (which the vast majority didn't do)
quite a lot of people have fallen off bikes wearing full leathers, back protectors, helmets, boots, gloves etc - quite a few of them are dead
but apart from all that, your whole argument only leads one way:
riding in leathers is safer than riding in jeans, so wear leathers
driving a car is safer than riding a bike, so don't ride a bike
driving slowly is arguably safer than driving fast, so only drive at <30mph
travelling in a train is safer than driving a car, so don't drive a car
but if you must use personal transport, 'frivolous journeys' are an unnecessary risk, only make essential journeys
picking your own personal 'safe line' and having a go at anyone who doesn't draw the line in the exact same place is ludicrous
for what it's worth, when i rode i always wore a helmet and gloves, i usually wore a leather or proper armoured textile jacket, often a back protector, I sometimes wore boots and leather trousers
my own feeling is that by far the biggest risk on the street in 'normal' riding is hitting hard objects, like cars, the road, kerbstones and lamposts etc, not sliding along the road, which is the one event where leathers really score over everything else
I guess you're being deliberately obtuse here
I'm not, I'm just wondering why you're choosing to pick on people who wear jeans, when the major problem is people who are even less protected, without gloves, jackets etc.
I personally don't understand the objection to wearing clothing that will save your skin if you bin it. Wear jeans if you want to, and I sincerely hope if you ever do fall off you prove me wrong.
Who was objecting? Some people just choose not to. I never suggested jeans provided adequate protection, I just don't care for your attitude.
I'm not, I'm just wondering why you're choosing to pick on people who wear jeans, when the major problem is people who are even less protected, without gloves, jackets etc.
I personally don't understand the objection to wearing clothing that will save your skin if you bin it. Wear jeans if you want to, and I sincerely hope if you ever do fall off you prove me wrong.
Who was objecting? Some people just choose not to. I never suggested jeans provided adequate protection, I just don't care for your attitude.
Edited by Mr J on Monday 30th June 19:45
lawrence567 said:
I know the risks and many bikers know the risks i dont think its right that you go round giving us s
t for not doing what you say we do!
I don't think it's right that you expect us, taxpayers, me and my mates to pay for your surgery, skin rework and time off work simply because of your choices. t for not doing what you say we do!If you want to choose to not wear appropriate clothng then at least have the balls to take out an insurance policy which will pay to stitch you back up if you fall off.
Busa_Rush said:
lawrence567 said:
I know the risks and many bikers know the risks i dont think its right that you go round giving us st for not doing what you say we do!
I don't think it's right that you expect us, taxpayers, me and my mates to pay for your surgery, skin rework and time off work simply because of your choices. t for not doing what you say we do!If you want to choose to not wear appropriate clothing then at least have the balls to take out an insurance policy which will pay to stitch you back up if you fall off.
"I don't think its right that you take the risk of falling down the stairs every morning and then expecting us, the taxpayers, me and other bungalow dwellers to pay for your hospital treatment simply because of your choice of home."
Does that mean I need to move house???
I for the most part wear full kit for riding, albeit only for pleasure and not commuting. But occasionally I do go out in jeans, usually only for a short ride. But I reserve the right to make that decision for myself and not by some more namby pamby rule makers.
Things with the H&S people are bad enough as it is without giving them more ammunition
Busa_Rush said:
lawrence567 said:
I know the risks and many bikers know the risks i dont think its right that you go round giving us st for not doing what you say we do!
I don't think it's right that you expect us, taxpayers, me and my mates to pay for your surgery, skin rework and time off work simply because of your choices. t for not doing what you say we do!If you want to choose to not wear appropriate clothng then at least have the balls to take out an insurance policy which will pay to stitch you back up if you fall off.
black-k1 said:
Actually, I’ll be using my taxes to pay for any hospitalisation that I need as I have just as much right to NHS care as any other citizen of this country (including smokers, drinkers, rock climbers, sky divers, Shell tanker drivers etc.). Now, if you are referring to the overall cost to the state per person, and you actually do your homework, you will find that, despite potentially larger medical bills, groups of risk takers’ are actually cheaper for the state as they tend to die earlier in life thus avoiding the expensive requirement for the state to support them in old age.
black-k1 said:
Busa_Rush said:
lawrence567 said:
I know the risks and many bikers know the risks i dont think its right that you go round giving us st for not doing what you say we do!
I don't think it's right that you expect us, taxpayers, me and my mates to pay for your surgery, skin rework and time off work simply because of your choices. t for not doing what you say we do!If you want to choose to not wear appropriate clothng then at least have the balls to take out an insurance policy which will pay to stitch you back up if you fall off.
black-k1 said:
Actually, I’ll be using my taxes to pay for any hospitalisation that I need as I have just as much right to NHS care as any other citizen of this country (including smokers, drinkers, rock climbers, sky divers, Shell tanker drivers etc.). Now, if you are referring to the overall cost to the state per person, and you actually do your homework, you will find that, despite potentially larger medical bills, groups of risk takers’ are actually cheaper for the state as they tend to die earlier in life thus avoiding the expensive requirement for the state to support them in old age.
Well done that man!
For all the people on here who're saying my taxes pay for you if you get hurt etc etc etc.
The majority pay their taxes & NIS. Stop yabbering on about paying for my treatment with your taxes.
As someone said, what happens if you fall down the stairs, break your neck, both your legs and arms thats like me saying my taxes are paying for you?
You clearly have no clue, you can't say who's pay for what, we pay taxes & NIS so we can have the NHS, hospitals, doctors, surgeons, nurses, police & fire crews amongst other emergency services in the worst case we ever have to use any of the above.
Maybe you'll shut your fingers in a door later on so you can't write such stupid replys to a debate!
The majority pay their taxes & NIS. Stop yabbering on about paying for my treatment with your taxes.
As someone said, what happens if you fall down the stairs, break your neck, both your legs and arms thats like me saying my taxes are paying for you?
You clearly have no clue, you can't say who's pay for what, we pay taxes & NIS so we can have the NHS, hospitals, doctors, surgeons, nurses, police & fire crews amongst other emergency services in the worst case we ever have to use any of the above.
Maybe you'll shut your fingers in a door later on so you can't write such stupid replys to a debate!
Strewth, what a bunch of uptights You don't walk down stairs with your eyes closed on a regular basis simply because you feel like it. When you engage in sports you wear appropriate clothing, what's wrong with wearing proper clothing to ride a bike ? You want to look like a knob then carry on but I still can't see why taxpayers should pay for your "choices". Smokers and drinkers pay a fortune in additional tax for the "choice".
As for facts, where's the facts that risk takers die younger ? Some may do but there are some very old TT racers around, the majority last a long time. 99.9% of road riders don't have a TT racers riding ability and in some cases when a rider falls off it's the fault of somebody else, so you're getting gravel rash for nothing, no "choice" involved there.
There, have I made myself unpopular enough for today
You don't walk down stairs with your eyes closed on a regular basis simply because you feel like it. When you engage in sports you wear appropriate clothing, what's wrong with wearing proper clothing to ride a bike ? You want to look like a knob then carry on but I still can't see why taxpayers should pay for your "choices". Smokers and drinkers pay a fortune in additional tax for the "choice".As for facts, where's the facts that risk takers die younger ? Some may do but there are some very old TT racers around, the majority last a long time. 99.9% of road riders don't have a TT racers riding ability and in some cases when a rider falls off it's the fault of somebody else, so you're getting gravel rash for nothing, no "choice" involved there.
There, have I made myself unpopular enough for today
lawrence567 said:
Maybe you'll shut your fingers in a door later on so you can't write such stupid replys to a debate!
There's more chance of you having gravel rash and a skin graft than me shutting my fingers in a door. At least if you insist on wearing jeans then take a bit of care, it's not a "I pay for it therefore I'll use it" world out there, you can't afford to have that attitude, hot days like today bring out the idiots in cars, they're not looking at all, even for other cars and a biker won't show up very easily. The cost to me of patching you up is probably 50p or somethng equally insignificant but the pain you'll suffer will be with you for months.
Anyway, if it's a debate then my view can't be "stupid" can it
I'm not saying wearing leathers or full textiles on a hot day is stupid im not saying that jeans are more protective than leathers or textiles.
All i'm saying is your not the first person to say about the taxes thing.
I smoke when i drink & i drink on the weekends (only) & pay the taxes on that.
All i'm saying is that you shouldnt go round preaching to other people that your taxes are paying for bikers & others who injure themselves & they shouldnt do this or that.
FYI if im going out for a rideout or on any d.carriageways or motorways or a long commute somewhere i wear a full set of leathers or textiles.
The only time i wear jeans is to work in the morning and eve when i go no more than 20mph.
You may say "if you come off at that speed you'll do this damage".
I've come off at 20 with only shorts on and skinned my knee, it was fookin painful, so is falling over on rollerskates probably doing about 20 down a big fook off hill & the same on a pushbike kaning it along!
All i'm saying is we take risks at everything & you should let people do as they please & let them learn from their mistakes. If they pay their taxes then they're entitled to care end of.
If they dont pay their taxes then thats a different debate all together!
All i'm saying is your not the first person to say about the taxes thing.
I smoke when i drink & i drink on the weekends (only) & pay the taxes on that.
All i'm saying is that you shouldnt go round preaching to other people that your taxes are paying for bikers & others who injure themselves & they shouldnt do this or that.
FYI if im going out for a rideout or on any d.carriageways or motorways or a long commute somewhere i wear a full set of leathers or textiles.
The only time i wear jeans is to work in the morning and eve when i go no more than 20mph.
You may say "if you come off at that speed you'll do this damage".
I've come off at 20 with only shorts on and skinned my knee, it was fookin painful, so is falling over on rollerskates probably doing about 20 down a big fook off hill & the same on a pushbike kaning it along!
All i'm saying is we take risks at everything & you should let people do as they please & let them learn from their mistakes. If they pay their taxes then they're entitled to care end of.
If they dont pay their taxes then thats a different debate all together!
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