Predictions for future classics

Predictions for future classics

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podman

8,872 posts

241 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Your looking for benchmark bikes, something that moved the game on and grabbed headlines at the time.

In no way will that include a TL-R1000, the "S" Yes but not the "R". Same goes for the 929cc blades, always second fiddle to the R1 of teh era and didnt push the game forward in any area..nice bike but no future classic.

My slightly obscure vote would be for an immaculate early full power Hayabusa,1999 -2000 model-they will become collectable and sought after pretty soon.


996 sps

6,165 posts

217 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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996 sps said:
I bet one of the original Busa's will go up in value soon as well, the original 200mph production machine.
Podman I suggested this, original Busa will have a cult following me thinks.

graham22

3,295 posts

206 months

Tuesday 10th November 2009
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VF750F

Looked very right in it's day, got good reviews until the cams destructed the motors - rode one years ago & liked it, haven't seen one for ages.



Looks even better as a high barred race bike - you can be Fred (Spencer or Merkell- I know both pictures are Spencer)






Waynester

6,347 posts

251 months

Tuesday 10th November 2009
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My 1st big bike after passing my test was a VF400F, loved it!

Never had a problem with it...

308mate

13,757 posts

223 months

Tuesday 10th November 2009
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podman said:
Your looking for benchmark bikes, something that moved the game on and grabbed headlines at the time.

In no way will that include a TL-R1000, the "S" Yes but not the "R". Same goes for the 929cc blades, always second fiddle to the R1 of teh era and didnt push the game forward in any area..nice bike but no future classic.

My slightly obscure vote would be for an immaculate early full power Hayabusa,1999 -2000 model-they will become collectable and sought after pretty soon.
No.

I take your point about benchmark bikes, but being a benchmark isnt the only thing that makes a classic.

The TLS is a bike that had a bed rep at the time, but was actually quite good. Notoriety alone gives it classic status. The R is less so, I will admit. But it has racing pedigree, was underrated, makes a beautiful sound, odd looks - definite potential as a classic I would say.

The 929, as I said moved the brand on and was a delicious bike in every aspect. It was a leap in design for Honda and was so fast AND comfortable, being the first of a new design philosophy for Honda after an iconic series of bikes , I would argue it will be become a classic Honda model.

The Hayabusa? Sure, its a headline grabber and is devastating at what it does. But it is absolutely soulless. Few modern Suzukis envoke the kind of nostalgia required for classic status I think.

996 sps

6,165 posts

217 months

Tuesday 10th November 2009
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I disagree if the R has the rep of having an attitude and therefore an future classic then the same goes for a Busa, when it was released it was in National news papers and brought about restriction rules, I remember going on one and being nervous but obviously excited. Buying and jumping on my 929 was a novelty and an outstanding bike, but there was nothing cult about it and the R1 had the better press.

308mate

13,757 posts

223 months

Tuesday 10th November 2009
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996 sps said:
I disagree if the R has the rep of having an attitude and therefore an future classic then the same goes for a Busa, when it was released it was in National news papers and brought about restriction rules, I remember going on one and being nervous but obviously excited. Buying and jumping on my 929 was a novelty and an outstanding bike, but there was nothing cult about it and the R1 had the better press.
Like I said, the 'busa certainly is a headline grabber, but soul? Non. Its a bike with a rocket on it. And not a very comfy one.

Whoever accused a Hayabusa of having attitude? Its the biking Veyron of its time.

The R1 was a better bike overall, I think thats agreed. But I still think the 929 will be a standout in Honda's history. Which typically gives it classic status.

Check the used prices. Theyre not cheap, even now.

podman

8,872 posts

241 months

Wednesday 11th November 2009
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308mate said:
podman said:
Your looking for benchmark bikes, something that moved the game on and grabbed headlines at the time.

In no way will that include a TL-R1000, the "S" Yes but not the "R". Same goes for the 929cc blades, always second fiddle to the R1 of teh era and didnt push the game forward in any area..nice bike but no future classic.

My slightly obscure vote would be for an immaculate early full power Hayabusa,1999 -2000 model-they will become collectable and sought after pretty soon.
No.

I take your point about benchmark bikes, but being a benchmark isnt the only thing that makes a classic.

The TLS is a bike that had a bed rep at the time, but was actually quite good. Notoriety alone gives it classic status. The R is less so, I will admit. But it has racing pedigree, was underrated, makes a beautiful sound, odd looks - definite potential as a classic I would say.

The 929, as I said moved the brand on and was a delicious bike in every aspect. It was a leap in design for Honda and was so fast AND comfortable, being the first of a new design philosophy for Honda after an iconic series of bikes , I would argue it will be become a classic Honda model.

The Hayabusa? Sure, its a headline grabber and is devastating at what it does. But it is absolutely soulless. Few modern Suzukis envoke the kind of nostalgia required for classic status I think.
Bet you any money the early Busa's will appreciate quicker than the any TL-R 1000..even now ealry model brochures/roadtests are quite sought after.Suzuki hastily recalled the TL-R racing effort after early testing proved it was a flop..it has no racing heritage whatsoever and was the worst sportsbike they made in the 90's...the "S" which only has a reputation for being a wayward bad boys bike which Suzuki ironed out on the "R"..apart from giving it chronic understeer which does make for some excitement when you dont need it.

A Busa on full bore is far from lacking soul IMHO

The 929 Blade was a leap in what area exactly for Honda? First Blade with a 17" wheel and F.I? Doesnt make for a classic and it wasnt exactly over endowed in the old engine department.

Time will tell I guess....!

3doorPete

Original Poster:

9,917 posts

235 months

Thursday 12th November 2009
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I was thinking - the original Suzuki 1200 Bandit. Not many standard ones and usually better for it, as long as not chavved up. Cheap as chips at mo, but I reckon may end up being a classic in a few year??

996 sps

6,165 posts

217 months

Friday 13th November 2009
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I see Busa's are on the front of both Bike and Superbike this month.

3doorPete

Original Poster:

9,917 posts

235 months

Friday 13th November 2009
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996 sps said:
I see Busa's are on the front of both Bike and Superbike this month.
...and performance bike - it's the 10th anniversary of its release.

Busamav

2,954 posts

209 months

Friday 13th November 2009
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308mate said:
[Like I said, the 'busa certainly is a headline grabber, but soul? Non. Its a bike with a rocket on it. And not a very comfy one.
Lots of soul in the Busa , coming up 9 years with mine now and I wouldnt swap her for anything out there

You must be a very big bloke to have found it uncomfortable smile

t84

6,941 posts

195 months

Friday 13th November 2009
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Hopefully the Pre-Vtec VFR800 biggrin

Battlecat

944 posts

239 months

Friday 13th November 2009
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Busamav said:
308mate said:
[Like I said, the 'busa certainly is a headline grabber, but soul? Non. Its a bike with a rocket on it. And not a very comfy one.
Lots of soul in the Busa , coming up 9 years with mine now and I wouldnt swap her for anything out there

You must be a very big bloke to have found it uncomfortable smile
I rode a new Busa last weekend. Incredibly smooth, comfy, and undoubtedly quick. Kind of like the bike equivalent of an AMG Merc.

BarnatosGhost

31,608 posts

254 months

Friday 13th November 2009
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t84 said:
Hopefully the Pre-Vtec VFR800 biggrin
Seconded. I'm hoping a catastrophic problem arises with EVERY vtec VFR on its 10th birthday, making the (black) Fi-X the one to have! I'm not holding my breath...

t84

6,941 posts

195 months

Friday 13th November 2009
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Haha, I've got the Fi-Y, which makes it more desirable!

Although the 'upgraded' reg/rec has just failed. Grr.

Busamav

2,954 posts

209 months

Friday 13th November 2009
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graham22 said:
VF750F

Looked very right in it's day, got good reviews until the cams destructed the motors - rode one years ago & liked it, haven't seen one for ages.



Looks even better as a high barred race bike - you can be Fred (Spencer or Merkell- I know both pictures are Spencer)



I had one of those bd things , it made me vow never to buy another Honda.

When it " nipped up " on the M3 flat on the tank in 5th , I just got the clutch in and after slowing with the thing still running on 3 I rode her the 15 miles to Tippet motors and dumped her there .

Oil ways were bunged solid with spent alloy and the motor was a total write off.

I had had it with that bike and Honda, glad to see a 3 year old bike sold for scrap.




BarnatosGhost

31,608 posts

254 months

Friday 13th November 2009
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t84 said:
Haha, I've got the Fi-Y, which makes it more desirable!

Although the 'upgraded' reg/rec has just failed. Grr.
mine did that earlier this year.

Feature not fault, sir.

t84

6,941 posts

195 months

Friday 13th November 2009
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BarnatosGhost said:
t84 said:
Haha, I've got the Fi-Y, which makes it more desirable!

Although the 'upgraded' reg/rec has just failed. Grr.
mine did that earlier this year.

Feature not fault, sir.
FiY has a much lower failure rate, the improved it for the Fi-Y and Fi-1

moto_traxport

4,237 posts

222 months

Thursday 27th February 2014
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yammyfan said:
5 Years on. What are we thinking?

I am still thinking the 1998 R1 in an unmolested condition is up there.
5 years on and I am still riding the same 1998 R1 I was then.

Jesus, I fancy a new bike.