LOUD and proud!

LOUD and proud!

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GasBlaster

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27,427 posts

280 months

Thursday 20th June 2002
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Just had the soundproofing stuff removed from the exhaust of my Griff 500. Exhaust note now much harder-edged and LOUD, even with all three cats still in place. I am well chuffed, but does anyone know of any downsides to this?

Except for frightened pets and grannies that it!!

shpub

8,507 posts

273 months

Thursday 20th June 2002
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Just had the soundproofing stuff removed from the exhaust of my Griff 500. Exhaust note now much harder-edged and LOUD, even with all three cats still in place. I am well chuffed, but does anyone know of any downsides to this?

Except for frightened pets and grannies that it!!


You can't go and play on a track cos you are too loud...

Steve

david beer

3,982 posts

268 months

Thursday 20th June 2002
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I think you have the more economical way to let your noise out, but as Steve says you cant go on track days without add on silencers. Or as i have done for Castle Combe, popped my old exhaust back on.Maybe add on silencers next time!! ACT do some for £80 i think.

EdT

5,103 posts

285 months

Thursday 20th June 2002
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I did the same a couple of years ago & the sound still makes me grin

enjoy

Ed

DIGGA

40,354 posts

284 months

Friday 21st June 2002
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Done exactly the same on my Griff, and the sound checks normally read around 103dB, which is fine for most sprints and track days.

Figures vary depending on the individual method employed at the circuits (because there's no packing whatsoever, the noise won't increase due to deterioration of the silencing), but I've rarely experienced problems, and it does sound really good. - Apparently, the commentator at Loton Park voted it one of the best sounding cars at the hillclimb in May.

shpub

8,507 posts

273 months

Friday 21st June 2002
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Done exactly the same on my Griff, and the sound checks normally read around 103dB, which is fine for most sprints and track days.



Try coming down sarf...
Commonly around 98-100 dB and getting tougher all the time. The MSA dropped the rallying limit to 100 dB this year and rumours are it may happen to sprints as well.

Steve

simpo one

85,558 posts

266 months

Friday 21st June 2002
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'The MSA dropped the rallying limit to 100 dB this year'

And when they've forced every car to run at 0db, they'll start to add some extra emissions regulations too, or some lifestyle regulations, or some EU regulations, so that nobody is allowed any enjoyment whatsoever and we all slog along in a robotised 100% tax Euro environment. But drinking and gambling will be compulsory because the spinners say it makes us happy.

DIGGA

40,354 posts

284 months

Friday 21st June 2002
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Steve, I nearly entered the Goodwood sprint, but as you say, I think the noise regs would preclude the Griff, sadly.

Just one of the many things that make the North a little less grim I s'pose!

shpub

8,507 posts

273 months

Friday 21st June 2002
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The Goodwood Sprint is currently 105 db as there are only 5 cars on track. Most track days are 10 cars and the limit is 98 dB.

The 520 is 105 at the moment and will probably be quietened a bit more over winter.

Steve

davemorton_eunos

141 posts

273 months

Friday 21st June 2002
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How does one remove the silencing ?

In the past I've usually gone for the custom S/S route and usually gone for a full system with only one box. I'm not doing this on the Griffith as i) its too expensive and ii) i'm not sure I'd get any performance benefit.

Removing the silencing sounds like a good way of increasing noise without too much cost or risking gas flow problems etc.

What is involved ?


Dave

IPAddis

2,471 posts

285 months

Friday 21st June 2002
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Cut open back box, remove packaging, change perforated pipes with straight ones, refit packaging, weld up back box. Total cost £150. Fernies a superb job on mine.

Ian A.

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How does one remove the silencing ?

In the past I've usually gone for the custom S/S route and usually gone for a full system with only one box. I'm not doing this on the Griffith as i) its too expensive and ii) i'm not sure I'd get any performance benefit.

Removing the silencing sounds like a good way of increasing noise without too much cost or risking gas flow problems etc.

What is involved ?


Dave

DIGGA

40,354 posts

284 months

Friday 21st June 2002
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Mostly brute force and deployment of the right tools.

Basically, you cut the silencers open, remove any packing, and re-weld shut, with the internal, central pipe in situ.

GasBlaster

Original Poster:

27,427 posts

280 months

Monday 24th June 2002
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I can recommend this; fantastic pop-pop-pop sound when burbling through town and an angry mad lion roar when accelerating. Fabulous.

GasBlaster

Original Poster:

27,427 posts

280 months

Monday 24th June 2002
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Plus the packing stuff weighed a good few pounds so some weight saving too.

v8 mark

129 posts

267 months

Monday 24th June 2002
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By removing the packing and the perforated tubes, surely aren't you removing back pressure and hence losing power? Don't know either way but have heard that this mod is not recommended by certain circles as you lose power? But how do i know, would be good to get some cars together for a rolling road session....

dannylt

1,906 posts

285 months

Tuesday 25th June 2002
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Back pressure never helps an engine's ultimate power, though can improve low end torque. The important thing is the resonance characteristics of the whole exhaust system, which could well have been changed by altering the packing. However, I don't think a relatively untuned Rover v8 is massively worried by this.

dannylt

1,906 posts

285 months

Tuesday 25th June 2002
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PS Getting some cars together on a rolling road session won't prove anything - I bet the difference between individual engines will swamp the difference that an exhaust makes - the only fair test is to do it immediately before and after the mod on the same road.

PPS Another downside - depending on the year of manufacture of your car, it's illegal with a potential fine of £5000.

DaveMorton_Eunos

141 posts

273 months

Tuesday 25th June 2002
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Intrigued Now

How can de-furring the back box be illegal with a 5k fine? Can anyone explain this one?

De-catting yes as legal requirement post 92 but I've never had problems with any of my exhaust and for the last 5 years they've all been one off custom jobbies with only a single very small straight through box and the rest just 2-3" pipe work.

Believe me the Mazda was very loud. (Especially when de-catted).

Hence considering removing the silencing from the Griffith as it seems too quiet.


Dave

simpo one

85,558 posts

266 months

Tuesday 25th June 2002
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'Hence considering removing the silencing from the Griffith as it seems too quiet.'

Thoroughly agree. If I had my time again with my 500, that's what I'd have done. Much cheaper and no dodgy idle.

Aland

88 posts

264 months

Tuesday 25th June 2002
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Will you have problems with the MOT, if noise levels are increased and emissions are higher with no CAT.