Older TVR's to cheap to wave at????
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Let me first state that I am not trying to offend anybody, but there is something I would like to ask all of you because it wonders and at the same time concerns me.
We (Me and 2 other dutch friends) were in the UK last week (and week-end)to buy some TVR's. We bought 3 older TVR's from which 2 were driveable, a wedge and an M. The third we took on a trailer behind the van.
Here in Holland we (the dutch TVR-club members)are very proud and anthusiast about TVR, so if we are driving them we use to wave at each other whenever we meet somebody driving his/her TVR. Is it that TVR is that common in the UK that you get used to it (or it even gets boring)and that you ignore each other? Or is it that Chimaera and Cerbera owners can not identify themselves with older cars? Or is a TVR in the UK that common and normal that you don't pay any attention to it anymore, in that case we might better not move to the UK, we could lose our enthusiasm and hobby.
We understood from several people driving older TVR's that they don't feel welcome on UK or regional meetings because of the age of their cars,but i could never believe or even imagine it. One guy (i believe it was Pistolar) even mentioned on the PH forum that he liked the fact so much that on the continental meeting on Zolder racetrack in Belgium (organised by the Dutch TVR-club) everybody was talking to everybody !!! As if that should be something special??? The reason I like TVR is that it gives everybody, rich or poor(er) the ability to share the same passion and respect eachother just as they are.
I waved at 7 TVR's in slow city traffic(6 chimaera's and 1 Cerbera) last saturday as I drove the wedge from Southend on Sea to Hull and NOBODY showed any attention to us. (My friend was driving a yellow 3000M, so we must have drawn any attention). We were overhauled by one Chimaera and he blinked his warning lights to both of us once, nice!
For people who think I am a frustrated person who is fanatically trying to become part of the TVR-community, you could check my profile.(BTW: I did not mention the 9 TVR's me and my friend Cantus own together at the moment because we share them and I therefore don't consider them mine.)
It's just that I think we own something special and I don't understand why I should be less than the ordinary Chimaera driver just because I am not driving my Maranello toy or a new Tuscan S (which I cancelled because I don't like the new interior)
Am I seeing/understanding something wrong?
We (Me and 2 other dutch friends) were in the UK last week (and week-end)to buy some TVR's. We bought 3 older TVR's from which 2 were driveable, a wedge and an M. The third we took on a trailer behind the van.
Here in Holland we (the dutch TVR-club members)are very proud and anthusiast about TVR, so if we are driving them we use to wave at each other whenever we meet somebody driving his/her TVR. Is it that TVR is that common in the UK that you get used to it (or it even gets boring)and that you ignore each other? Or is it that Chimaera and Cerbera owners can not identify themselves with older cars? Or is a TVR in the UK that common and normal that you don't pay any attention to it anymore, in that case we might better not move to the UK, we could lose our enthusiasm and hobby.
We understood from several people driving older TVR's that they don't feel welcome on UK or regional meetings because of the age of their cars,but i could never believe or even imagine it. One guy (i believe it was Pistolar) even mentioned on the PH forum that he liked the fact so much that on the continental meeting on Zolder racetrack in Belgium (organised by the Dutch TVR-club) everybody was talking to everybody !!! As if that should be something special??? The reason I like TVR is that it gives everybody, rich or poor(er) the ability to share the same passion and respect eachother just as they are.
I waved at 7 TVR's in slow city traffic(6 chimaera's and 1 Cerbera) last saturday as I drove the wedge from Southend on Sea to Hull and NOBODY showed any attention to us. (My friend was driving a yellow 3000M, so we must have drawn any attention). We were overhauled by one Chimaera and he blinked his warning lights to both of us once, nice!
For people who think I am a frustrated person who is fanatically trying to become part of the TVR-community, you could check my profile.(BTW: I did not mention the 9 TVR's me and my friend Cantus own together at the moment because we share them and I therefore don't consider them mine.)
It's just that I think we own something special and I don't understand why I should be less than the ordinary Chimaera driver just because I am not driving my Maranello toy or a new Tuscan S (which I cancelled because I don't like the new interior)
Am I seeing/understanding something wrong?
We are always made to feel very welcome when ever we go to either a TVRCC meet or a PH meet, often we have been the only Wedge there, and many other TVR owners take the time to come over and have a chat and a good look at the car.
We always get waved at by other drivers and by children walking down the street.
I understand exactly what you mean Infinity though I think most Chim & Cerb drivers fit into the same friendly bracket as that of the older cars. Yesterday for example whilst out in the Chim I passed a T350 and 2 Tuscans, none of which waved, flashed or were in the least bit friendly. However, I was Overtaken (at warp speed) by a Cerbie down the A1 who went passed and flashed hazards in acknowledgement. I've also found on other drives that S owners, other Chims and the only wedge I've seen on the road will also give a friendly wave or flash of lights.
For some reason its the much newer post 2000 car owners (not all I hasten to add) that are the unsociable bunch. Seems newer TVRs are more often being sold to non-enthusiasts now, please don't let us go the way of Ferrari and Porsche and end up with faceless tw*ts driving our cars who want nothing more than a fast car and the ability to pose...
For some reason its the much newer post 2000 car owners (not all I hasten to add) that are the unsociable bunch. Seems newer TVRs are more often being sold to non-enthusiasts now, please don't let us go the way of Ferrari and Porsche and end up with faceless tw*ts driving our cars who want nothing more than a fast car and the ability to pose...
infinity said:As you were in my town if i had seen you or known you were coming
saturday as I drove the wedge from Southend on Sea to Hull and NOBODY showed any attention to us.
you would probably have been dragged home for a cuppa tea & wouldn't be surprised if it ended in lots of 
& staying over for the night... Zippee said:
...please don't let us go the way of Ferrari and Porsche and end up with faceless tw*ts driving ...
Tell me about it…! Spotted a 355 on the A130 on Saturday afternoon… dropped to the inside line, slowed down, let traffic past me so I could give an approving wave… faceless tw*t deliberately kept looking straight ahead… (miserable swine!).
Oh, and the Boxster owners that our mini-convoy of TVR's came across on the way to the SEL Kent TVRCC meet yesterday was a right moody sod… then again, five TVR's did all hoon past him..
Podie & Zippee (who BTW has a Ferrari as a fantasy car in his profile) let's not start the whole Ferrari/Porsche/TVR fight again it might get boring and eventually end up in the invention of car-hooliganism when drivers of rivalling brands are starting to fight each other.
I was just questioning the difference's between drivers of ONE brand.
>> Edited by infinity on Monday 7th February 13:02
I was just questioning the difference's between drivers of ONE brand.
>> Edited by infinity on Monday 7th February 13:02
infinity said:
Podie & Zippee (who BTW has a Ferrari as a fantasy car in his profile) let's not start the whole Ferrari/Porsche/TVR fight again it might get boring and eventually end up in the invention of car-hooliganism when drivers of rivalling brands are starting to fight each other.
I was just questioning the difference's between drivers of ONE brand.
>> Edited by infinity on Monday 7th February 13:02
Fair point!
infinity said:
We (Me and 2 other dutch friends) were in the UK last week (and week-end)to buy some TVR's. We bought 3 older TVR's from which 2 were driveable, a wedge and an M. The third we took on a trailer behind the van.
Sorry to hear you didn't get much response, but I certainly wave at any TVR that I recognise, which would include wedges, and an M.
I even waved at a Chimaera on the M27 yesterday!
I think it's the same with all cars generaly, some are bought by enthusiasts, some aren't. Often found this with the Honda S2000, some very enthusiastic wavers and flashers, majority just completely blank you
I wave at any TVR, of any age or model. In defence to those who don't though, there have been one or two occasions where i simply did'nt see the other TVR in time (or inadvertently pushed the wiper button rather than the flash button - you Cerbie owners know what i mean ) and so they may have though i was ignoring them. I was'nt though
) and so they may have though i was ignoring them. I was'nt thoughAs I Chimaera owner I've found that the newer, more expensive cars, were very remiss about waving / acknowledging.
I noticed this particularly the Tuscan when it was new as it was attracting owners new to the marque, some of whom were not enthusiasts. I found that with some of the newer Cerberas too.
As the Tuscan and Cerbera have fallen in price they've been bought by enthusiasts who do wave and the miserable bastards ("I've spent too much money on this car to acknowledge you, peasant") are now driving T350s. I should point out that I am not tarring all T350 owners with this brush, just those who exhibit the above tendencies.
Perhaps when the Chimaera was new that was true of them too, but I've found Chimaeras and Griffs are almost all owned by enthusiasts now who will acknowledge other TVRs.
One thing I have noticed when pressing on is what with reading the road, watching out for cameras, checking the rear view mirror, etc., it is very easy to miss another TVR or be past it before you have a chance to wave back. So in some cases the other driver isn't actually ignoring you.
I noticed this particularly the Tuscan when it was new as it was attracting owners new to the marque, some of whom were not enthusiasts. I found that with some of the newer Cerberas too.
As the Tuscan and Cerbera have fallen in price they've been bought by enthusiasts who do wave and the miserable bastards ("I've spent too much money on this car to acknowledge you, peasant") are now driving T350s. I should point out that I am not tarring all T350 owners with this brush, just those who exhibit the above tendencies.
Perhaps when the Chimaera was new that was true of them too, but I've found Chimaeras and Griffs are almost all owned by enthusiasts now who will acknowledge other TVRs.
One thing I have noticed when pressing on is what with reading the road, watching out for cameras, checking the rear view mirror, etc., it is very easy to miss another TVR or be past it before you have a chance to wave back. So in some cases the other driver isn't actually ignoring you.
infinity said:
We understood from several people driving older TVR's that they don't feel welcome on UK or regional meetings because of the age of their cars
Oh, I really hope that is not the case.
I have a Chimaera (i.e. not an 'old' TVR) and I have attended only a few other region's meetings in my area of the UK (Hants, Bristol, C3C and my own), but can honestly say that I have NEVER felt that anyone who went along with an older (or a newer) model would be made to feel out-of-place.
The one thing I have noticed in the TVRCC, is that no matter which model, or what your personal background or circumstances is, you are fully accepted into the group - which is how it should be.
BTW - I wave at EVERY TVR, and anything else that I feel is interesting....bikes, trucks - anything! After all, they are probably enjoying their drive or ride as much as I am, and it's always nice to know others feel the same about your vehicle as you do.
Paul
>> Edited by wolosp on Monday 7th February 13:36
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