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trev4 said:
Watched some club racing at Snetterton today, saw supercarts for the first time, there can't be anything much quicker than these little pocket rockets, fastest lap was 1,57.6 averaging 90mph for the lap.
I remember Alan Jones telling me he was just over 2 minutes in the Sagaris GTF. I also remember watching the Tuscan Challenge at Rockingham in Mat's first season - I thought the TC cars were quick, but when the Formula Jedi cars came out to play (single seaters with bike engines), they were a whole 20 seconds a lap quicker.....
QBee said:
I remember Alan Jones telling me he was just over 2 minutes in the Sagaris GTF.
I also remember watching the Tuscan Challenge at Rockingham in Mat's first season - I thought the TC cars were quick, but when the Formula Jedi cars came out to play (single seaters with bike engines), they were a whole 20 seconds a lap quicker.....
yep, but previous owner of my car (Dean) managed a 1.58/9 I thinkI also remember watching the Tuscan Challenge at Rockingham in Mat's first season - I thought the TC cars were quick, but when the Formula Jedi cars came out to play (single seaters with bike engines), they were a whole 20 seconds a lap quicker.....
Engineer1949 said:
hi stuart as above brakes will need some kind of upgrade the drilled and grooved discs with red or yellow stuff work well enough on a standard 4.0ltr tyres make cornering more assured, noise is an issue at nearly all tracks if your system is standard you will be fine just all depends on how serious you intend to get i have a set of imolas for sale with a brand new set of 888s waiting to be fitted.
john
Its for my old man. I run rbf and roddison motorsport pafds in my mx5 but its only 140hp loljohn
Was thinking of starting him off with some ad08r tyres
Ebc yellow stuff
Motul 660 rbf
Its a 4l chim. Would the grooved and drilled pads be ness?
QBee said:
Ad08r are a very nice road and track tyre I believe..
Personally I wouldn’t use drilled discs, they can crack. Grooved are good. No idea about Yellow stuff pads. I use Hawk and like them
They are indeed. I use the ad08r on the mx5 on track and road. Theyre even ok in the wet!Personally I wouldn’t use drilled discs, they can crack. Grooved are good. No idea about Yellow stuff pads. I use Hawk and like them
Ok ile keep clear of drilled discs. Wasnt sure if fancy discs were ness even grooved. I saw an engineering explained vid and he claimed that the cooling was minimal unless it was a full on race car. Never heard of hawk pads? Got a link?
I just assumed ebc yellow stuff were fit for the job. I suggested ferrodo or even carbotech but the prices were a bit hefty considering he rarely drives the car and yet to go on track. Ive been bullying him into a track day but he wants to uprate the brakes first atleast!
Jack1988 said:
QBee said:
Ad08r are a very nice road and track tyre I believe..
Personally I wouldn’t use drilled discs, they can crack. Grooved are good. No idea about Yellow stuff pads. I use Hawk and like them
They are indeed. I use the ad08r on the mx5 on track and road. Theyre even ok in the wet!Personally I wouldn’t use drilled discs, they can crack. Grooved are good. No idea about Yellow stuff pads. I use Hawk and like them
Ok ile keep clear of drilled discs. Wasnt sure if fancy discs were ness even grooved. I saw an engineering explained vid and he claimed that the cooling was minimal unless it was a full on race car. Never heard of hawk pads? Got a link?
I just assumed ebc yellow stuff were fit for the job. I suggested ferrodo or even carbotech but the prices were a bit hefty considering he rarely drives the car and yet to go on track. Ive been bullying him into a track day but he wants to uprate the brakes first atleast!
http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/
QBee said:
Jack1988 said:
QBee said:
Ad08r are a very nice road and track tyre I believe..
Personally I wouldn’t use drilled discs, they can crack. Grooved are good. No idea about Yellow stuff pads. I use Hawk and like them
They are indeed. I use the ad08r on the mx5 on track and road. Theyre even ok in the wet!Personally I wouldn’t use drilled discs, they can crack. Grooved are good. No idea about Yellow stuff pads. I use Hawk and like them
Ok ile keep clear of drilled discs. Wasnt sure if fancy discs were ness even grooved. I saw an engineering explained vid and he claimed that the cooling was minimal unless it was a full on race car. Never heard of hawk pads? Got a link?
I just assumed ebc yellow stuff were fit for the job. I suggested ferrodo or even carbotech but the prices were a bit hefty considering he rarely drives the car and yet to go on track. Ive been bullying him into a track day but he wants to uprate the brakes first atleast!
http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/
Got a link to the grooved discs?
Hes on about getting a bucket seat too. Ive got a cobra clubman. Great for touring and track days. Very comfy.
Is there any special mounting adapters for the standard seat rails or would a bucket seat with bottom mounts go straight on the tvr runners?
Or would it be best to go side mounted straight away?
Also who sells a harness bar for a chim? I heard tr lane do tvr stuff?
T4NGO said:
yep, but previous owner of my car (Dean) managed a 1.58/9 I think
I think thats a little quick for a Tuscan - I think around the 2:05 mark would be very quick - (see http://www.tsl-timing.com/file/?f=BRSCC/2016/16283...) - for reference a modern GT4 car (much better handling + more power) does it around the 2:00 mark and a GT3 car (super f
king scary quick) does it in 1:50. Unless you have serious aero + super light you won't go much quicker, e.g. superkarts (as mentioned) - F3 / F4 etc.
NickOrangeCars said:
T4NGO said:
yep, but previous owner of my car (Dean) managed a 1.58/9 I think
I think thats a little quick for a Tuscan - I think around the 2:05 mark would be very quick - (see http://www.tsl-timing.com/file/?f=BRSCC/2016/16283...) - for reference a modern GT4 car (much better handling + more power) does it around the 2:00 mark and a GT3 car (super fking scary quick) does it in 1:50. Unless you have serious aero + super light you won't go much quicker, e.g. superkarts (as mentioned) - F3 / F4 etc.
NickOrangeCars said:
A Sag is a different story - it has decent suspension + super light! I thought you were talking about Tuscans.
yeah my car 
but my sag is a Tuscan underneath with a sag bodyshell on, heavier than a Tuscan too.
also, a Tuscan was just behind in a 2.00 flat also in same race.
glad you found that, as dean said he did a 1.59, but never seen it, now I have
trev4 said:
Watched some club racing at Snetterton today, saw supercarts for the first time, there can't be anything much quicker than these little pocket rockets, fastest lap was 1,57.6 averaging 90mph for the lap.
Proper quick. No shock absorbers other than the ones in your spine 
I did a 2.21 March 2016 in a Mazda supercup car running the engine in on very old tyres and only 5 laps. Fastest for them is around 2.15 so all these times above are awesome stuff.
Carts are where my heart is if I was younger!
Still have a 125 6 Speed that my backs never gonna allow me to play with. Reminds me I better prep and sell it
Did anyone time themselves, the speed of Peters car up the start straight suggests bloody quick
I know your not meant to on trackdays but how else do you know! Anyway a spectator in the paddock can do it using a reference point on the circuit.
Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 10th May 00:47
phazed said:
I just timed the second lap of an outing at Snetterton from 2 years ago on a video clip.
Driving normally, not mad, bit of traffic, passing a few cars etc, running R1Rs, 2.21 which I'm happy with.
I like to think I may be a little faster now, (or maybe not ).
Weird isn’t it,, the Mazda felt like it had no power at all compared to my car! Driving normally, not mad, bit of traffic, passing a few cars etc, running R1Rs, 2.21 which I'm happy with.
I like to think I may be a little faster now, (or maybe not
).So quick through the corners as they are pretty stiff and have effectively no suspension at all compared to a road going Chim.
3.5 degree of camber might have helped
I felt like I was really slow too, very weird!
Jack1988 said:
QBee said:
Jack1988 said:
QBee said:
Ad08r are a very nice road and track tyre I believe..
Personally I wouldn’t use drilled discs, they can crack. Grooved are good. No idea about Yellow stuff pads. I use Hawk and like them
They are indeed. I use the ad08r on the mx5 on track and road. Theyre even ok in the wet!Personally I wouldn’t use drilled discs, they can crack. Grooved are good. No idea about Yellow stuff pads. I use Hawk and like them
Ok ile keep clear of drilled discs. Wasnt sure if fancy discs were ness even grooved. I saw an engineering explained vid and he claimed that the cooling was minimal unless it was a full on race car. Never heard of hawk pads? Got a link?
I just assumed ebc yellow stuff were fit for the job. I suggested ferrodo or even carbotech but the prices were a bit hefty considering he rarely drives the car and yet to go on track. Ive been bullying him into a track day but he wants to uprate the brakes first atleast!
http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/
Got a link to the grooved discs?
Hes on about getting a bucket seat too. Ive got a cobra clubman. Great for touring and track days. Very comfy.
Is there any special mounting adapters for the standard seat rails or would a bucket seat with bottom mounts go straight on the tvr runners?
Or would it be best to go side mounted straight away?
Also who sells a harness bar for a chim? I heard tr lane do tvr stuff?
Seats - be very careful buying unseen. TVRs have a very narrow seat base and are narrow at the shoulders, so a lot of seats don't fit. You either need to buy something that swears it does fit, or actually try the seat before buying.
Don't use a harness bar without a roll hoop or cage. TR Lane, Roll Centre Racing are two names who do Chimeara hoops, but I believe you need to be under 4 ft 6 to get much protection from a TR Lane hoop. Not sure who else does suitable hoops/cages.
A decent bucket seat with the standard seat belt, plus a CG Lock, will get him started.
phazed said:
I just timed the second lap of an outing at Snetterton from 2 years ago on a video clip.
Driving normally, not mad, bit of traffic, passing a few cars etc, running R1Rs, 2.21 which I'm happy with.
I like to think I may be a little faster now, (or maybe not ).
Very good time that. Best I have managed is a 2.24. Video below with the telemetry, probably the limit of my skill!Driving normally, not mad, bit of traffic, passing a few cars etc, running R1Rs, 2.21 which I'm happy with.
I like to think I may be a little faster now, (or maybe not
).https://youtu.be/tBQTZsk-6CM
CanoeSniffer said:
I knew you’d appreciate this baby.
Front and rear disc brakes on a Cart,,,,,,,, with biase control
Think about that for a mo
6 gears and a tuned road race 2 stroke water cooled engine screaming to 14,500 revs and around 30 hp.
No clutch during gear changes just a split second throttle lift and pull the lever into another gear,,,, on a cart track with suitable gearing going through slick tyres and tonnes of grip,,, proper.
It was I think possibly the first factory manufactured gearbox cart and built with its own race series in mind but that might be a wives tale.
Most gearbox carts back then were a bloke in a shed making a moto cross engine fit and they often broke down.
This has electric start so carries a battery and is slower than many but was built around the slightly smaller chassis dimensions of a 100 cc cart and silenced, they are or were called Whisper carts.
So they are really good around the uk’s mostly short cart tracks.900 metres
It’s not worth anything but for a few hundred quid you’ll not drive anything remotely as fast.
We got it for a mate to practice before entering the Clio Cup series,,, used it about 6 times at Whilton Mill which the cart is still geared for and then I had it a few years later for my boy. New spare engine went in, he didn’t get on with it and I thought I’d keep it and just have a razz every now and then but I’m too old.
I’d tell any driver who wants to feel as good as an F1 driver get yourself in one of these and you’ll get the picture.
Major buzz.
I was only talking to a friend the other day about the cart as it’s now been in my mates garage about a year as I was going to re commission it. Brakes will need a total rebuild but it’s in good nick as the chassis was re coated years ago, it’s like new, plastics are mixed as the front one is new but just base silver, I was going to paint them Tean Davies Colours,,, dunno what that is but you get the idea
I had something like five complete sets of wheels and tyres,, two sets on wets 1newish and 1 part worn.
I actually popped over to a cart shop based at Whilton cart circuit and asked about spare parts not so long ago and it’s still possible to keep them running easily enough.
It was the first cart that I knew of that one man could go racing with,,, because of the electric start and you could have both rolling and standing starts which are more fun.
I thought it was the future of racing back than
I clearly still love it which is why I never sold it, just one of those things you can’t part with,,
But reality bites and usually as you get older so my days of cart driving are over according to my back anyway.
Someone else should enjoy it if I can’t so I’ll be looking at it next week with a view to get it up and running/ new fluids etc,
It’s not worth much but with a bit of fettling a rocket. The oil costs about £25 litre from a cart shop !
It had a brand new battery too, buggered now I should think, 6 volt motorbike battery
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