XF Cracked Cam Covers
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Last night at 5pm got the good news that I had a cracked cam cover on my 89k miles 2011 3.0L (240) XF, and that the other one was probably zapped as well. Only £3,500 to put right. How do they do it so cheaply ?? (The car is only worth about £7k in p/ex).
Seriously, I am not best pleased. Car has FJSH. Surely this kind of thing can't go wrong on a fully serviced 7 yr old Jaguar ? Looking around on the internet I'm not the only one to have had this problem.
Does anyone know a good independent Jag garage in Southern England who can do this work ?
Thanks in advance for advice & sympathy.
Seriously, I am not best pleased. Car has FJSH. Surely this kind of thing can't go wrong on a fully serviced 7 yr old Jaguar ? Looking around on the internet I'm not the only one to have had this problem.
Does anyone know a good independent Jag garage in Southern England who can do this work ?
Thanks in advance for advice & sympathy.
P700DEE said:
How much!!! There are loads of Jaguar specialists in the South, note Bristol in your tag so not my area. Plenty of breakers too.
Yes, quite. Repeat it's three thousand five hundred of our finest pounds. Hoping for recommendations for specialists as it's clearly a problem which others have had too. (I'm wary of modern and classic "specialists" who say 'yeah I can fix it', but can't).Try Eurojag (01325 722777). They break lots of late Jags and whilst they wouldn’t want to remove covers from a good engine, they might have one that’s been hit hard or gone bang with good parts still intact.
Always worth a call - trying to track down why yours are broken would perhaps be more difficult.
Ian
Always worth a call - trying to track down why yours are broken would perhaps be more difficult.
Ian
Orcadian said:
Try Eurojag (01325 722777). They break lots of late Jags and whilst they wouldn’t want to remove covers from a good engine, they might have one that’s been hit hard or gone bang with good parts still intact.
Always worth a call - trying to track down why yours are broken would perhaps be more difficult.
Ian
Many thanks for the tip Ian. Thanks to another tip, I've just got it booked in with an Independent Jag Specialist. They have done quite a few of these cracked cam cover jobs, and will charge about £1k all-in which I can just about manage. Will report on how things go....Always worth a call - trying to track down why yours are broken would perhaps be more difficult.
Ian
My Jag is a 3.0 XFS 124K Getting restricted performance. Had the Intercooler changed 6 months ago I thought that was expensive. but now restricted
performance has come back and this time it is the cracked cam cover. I was quoted in the order of £1100, so yes quite a lot and that is an independent not a dealer. It sounded a lot but maybe not, does anyone know how much the parts are?
performance has come back and this time it is the cracked cam cover. I was quoted in the order of £1100, so yes quite a lot and that is an independent not a dealer. It sounded a lot but maybe not, does anyone know how much the parts are?
Unbelievable.
Is it really the case that Jaguar quality has sunk to the depths of not even being able to manufacture a inert piece of plastic that'll last the life of the car? That's absolutely taking the piss out of customers who are paying for a supposedly upmarket product and more like what you'd expect from the shoddy manufacturing and appalling component quality from the darkest days of the BL years.
Jeeezzz.
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Is it really the case that Jaguar quality has sunk to the depths of not even being able to manufacture a inert piece of plastic that'll last the life of the car? That's absolutely taking the piss out of customers who are paying for a supposedly upmarket product and more like what you'd expect from the shoddy manufacturing and appalling component quality from the darkest days of the BL years.
Jeeezzz.
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Yes JS,
It really is disgraceful and I thought that the corrosion issues on X300/308 models was bad enough but using materials ‘not of merchantable quality’ for such a part is unforgivable. Jaguar have gone the way of all others now and are only producing ‘disposable motorcars’, albeit at high end prices.
There has been a catalogue of issues including the V8 cam chain tensioners (although the Nikasil problem was not entirely their fault) rear bumper mounts, squeaky pan roofs, F type underbody corrosion to name just a few. And don’t get me started on fruit machine dashboard lights and messages when all that was needed was a ‘charge your bloody battery’ message.
I think my Daimler Super V8 will be the last offering from Jaguar I will own (although I am 70 this year anyway)
All that said, we have recently bought a 2016 Honda Jazz and most of that is plastic and there is no colour coat applied anywhere except the outside of the body shell, looks like a back street re-shell job when you lift the bonnet or open the petrol flap. All this to save a few pounds (weight and money) in order to get more mpg.
Ian
It really is disgraceful and I thought that the corrosion issues on X300/308 models was bad enough but using materials ‘not of merchantable quality’ for such a part is unforgivable. Jaguar have gone the way of all others now and are only producing ‘disposable motorcars’, albeit at high end prices.
There has been a catalogue of issues including the V8 cam chain tensioners (although the Nikasil problem was not entirely their fault) rear bumper mounts, squeaky pan roofs, F type underbody corrosion to name just a few. And don’t get me started on fruit machine dashboard lights and messages when all that was needed was a ‘charge your bloody battery’ message.
I think my Daimler Super V8 will be the last offering from Jaguar I will own (although I am 70 this year anyway)
All that said, we have recently bought a 2016 Honda Jazz and most of that is plastic and there is no colour coat applied anywhere except the outside of the body shell, looks like a back street re-shell job when you lift the bonnet or open the petrol flap. All this to save a few pounds (weight and money) in order to get more mpg.
Ian
Orcadian said:
Yes JS,
It really is disgraceful and I thought that the corrosion issues on X300/308 models was bad enough but using materials ‘not of merchantable quality’ for such a part is unforgivable. Jaguar have gone the way of all others now and are only producing ‘disposable motorcars’, albeit at high end prices.
There has been a catalogue of issues including the V8 cam chain tensioners (although the Nikasil problem was not entirely their fault) rear bumper mounts, squeaky pan roofs, F type underbody corrosion to name just a few. And don’t get me started on fruit machine dashboard lights and messages when all that was needed was a ‘charge your bloody battery’ message.
I think my Daimler Super V8 will be the last offering from Jaguar I will own (although I am 70 this year anyway)
All that said, we have recently bought a 2016 Honda Jazz and most of that is plastic and there is no colour coat applied anywhere except the outside of the body shell, looks like a back street re-shell job when you lift the bonnet or open the petrol flap. All this to save a few pounds (weight and money) in order to get more mpg.
Ian
Quite likely I'm on my last Jaguar too, especially as I'm not hearing anything about the newer Tata era ones that'll change my mind.It really is disgraceful and I thought that the corrosion issues on X300/308 models was bad enough but using materials ‘not of merchantable quality’ for such a part is unforgivable. Jaguar have gone the way of all others now and are only producing ‘disposable motorcars’, albeit at high end prices.
There has been a catalogue of issues including the V8 cam chain tensioners (although the Nikasil problem was not entirely their fault) rear bumper mounts, squeaky pan roofs, F type underbody corrosion to name just a few. And don’t get me started on fruit machine dashboard lights and messages when all that was needed was a ‘charge your bloody battery’ message.
I think my Daimler Super V8 will be the last offering from Jaguar I will own (although I am 70 this year anyway)
All that said, we have recently bought a 2016 Honda Jazz and most of that is plastic and there is no colour coat applied anywhere except the outside of the body shell, looks like a back street re-shell job when you lift the bonnet or open the petrol flap. All this to save a few pounds (weight and money) in order to get more mpg.
Ian
No reason whatsoever why a car can't be built both light and durable - apart of course from loosing all the extra profit parts suppliers and dealer workshops and the government makes out of the customer when they're constantly having sub standard components disintegrating and repeatedly raping your wallet once out of warranty.
Jaguar steve said:
Orcadian said:
Yes JS,
It really is disgraceful and I thought that the corrosion issues on X300/308 models was bad enough but using materials ‘not of merchantable quality’ for such a part is unforgivable. Jaguar have gone the way of all others now and are only producing ‘disposable motorcars’, albeit at high end prices.
There has been a catalogue of issues including the V8 cam chain tensioners (although the Nikasil problem was not entirely their fault) rear bumper mounts, squeaky pan roofs, F type underbody corrosion to name just a few. And don’t get me started on fruit machine dashboard lights and messages when all that was needed was a ‘charge your bloody battery’ message.
I think my Daimler Super V8 will be the last offering from Jaguar I will own (although I am 70 this year anyway)
All that said, we have recently bought a 2016 Honda Jazz and most of that is plastic and there is no colour coat applied anywhere except the outside of the body shell, looks like a back street re-shell job when you lift the bonnet or open the petrol flap. All this to save a few pounds (weight and money) in order to get more mpg.
Ian
Quite likely I'm on my last Jaguar too, especially as I'm not hearing anything about the newer Tata era ones that'll change my mind.It really is disgraceful and I thought that the corrosion issues on X300/308 models was bad enough but using materials ‘not of merchantable quality’ for such a part is unforgivable. Jaguar have gone the way of all others now and are only producing ‘disposable motorcars’, albeit at high end prices.
There has been a catalogue of issues including the V8 cam chain tensioners (although the Nikasil problem was not entirely their fault) rear bumper mounts, squeaky pan roofs, F type underbody corrosion to name just a few. And don’t get me started on fruit machine dashboard lights and messages when all that was needed was a ‘charge your bloody battery’ message.
I think my Daimler Super V8 will be the last offering from Jaguar I will own (although I am 70 this year anyway)
All that said, we have recently bought a 2016 Honda Jazz and most of that is plastic and there is no colour coat applied anywhere except the outside of the body shell, looks like a back street re-shell job when you lift the bonnet or open the petrol flap. All this to save a few pounds (weight and money) in order to get more mpg.
Ian
No reason whatsoever why a car can't be built both light and durable - apart of course from loosing all the extra profit parts suppliers and dealer workshops and the government makes out of the customer when they're constantly having sub standard components disintegrating and repeatedly raping your wallet once out of warranty.
BMW have farvmore issues than Jaguar (even considering they sell many more cars) including cracking cam covers.
Incidentally, Ford also have this issue, the Duratec’s cam cover is also prone to cracking though it’s a lot less expensive to replace.
I think the problem is in just about everything we buy. Massive demand for the lowest cost, new products which are continually value engineered until they become unreliable or short lived.
Friend of mine picked up a new Lexus yesterday. His previous Lexus, a 2009 is250, suddenly stopped responding to the keys. Lexus got into the car but it won’t start. Quoting more than the car’s worth to, as I understand it, change most of its electronics, so it’s being scrapped.
REALIST123 said:
Jaguar steve said:
Orcadian said:
Yes JS,
It really is disgraceful and I thought that the corrosion issues on X300/308 models was bad enough but using materials ‘not of merchantable quality’ for such a part is unforgivable. Jaguar have gone the way of all others now and are only producing ‘disposable motorcars’, albeit at high end prices.
There has been a catalogue of issues including the V8 cam chain tensioners (although the Nikasil problem was not entirely their fault) rear bumper mounts, squeaky pan roofs, F type underbody corrosion to name just a few. And don’t get me started on fruit machine dashboard lights and messages when all that was needed was a ‘charge your bloody battery’ message.
I think my Daimler Super V8 will be the last offering from Jaguar I will own (although I am 70 this year anyway)
All that said, we have recently bought a 2016 Honda Jazz and most of that is plastic and there is no colour coat applied anywhere except the outside of the body shell, looks like a back street re-shell job when you lift the bonnet or open the petrol flap. All this to save a few pounds (weight and money) in order to get more mpg.
Ian
Quite likely I'm on my last Jaguar too, especially as I'm not hearing anything about the newer Tata era ones that'll change my mind.It really is disgraceful and I thought that the corrosion issues on X300/308 models was bad enough but using materials ‘not of merchantable quality’ for such a part is unforgivable. Jaguar have gone the way of all others now and are only producing ‘disposable motorcars’, albeit at high end prices.
There has been a catalogue of issues including the V8 cam chain tensioners (although the Nikasil problem was not entirely their fault) rear bumper mounts, squeaky pan roofs, F type underbody corrosion to name just a few. And don’t get me started on fruit machine dashboard lights and messages when all that was needed was a ‘charge your bloody battery’ message.
I think my Daimler Super V8 will be the last offering from Jaguar I will own (although I am 70 this year anyway)
All that said, we have recently bought a 2016 Honda Jazz and most of that is plastic and there is no colour coat applied anywhere except the outside of the body shell, looks like a back street re-shell job when you lift the bonnet or open the petrol flap. All this to save a few pounds (weight and money) in order to get more mpg.
Ian
No reason whatsoever why a car can't be built both light and durable - apart of course from loosing all the extra profit parts suppliers and dealer workshops and the government makes out of the customer when they're constantly having sub standard components disintegrating and repeatedly raping your wallet once out of warranty.
BMW have farvmore issues than Jaguar (even considering they sell many more cars) including cracking cam covers.
Incidentally, Ford also have this issue, the Duratec’s cam cover is also prone to cracking though it’s a lot less expensive to replace.
I think the problem is in just about everything we buy. Massive demand for the lowest cost, new products which are continually value engineered until they become unreliable or short lived.
Friend of mine picked up a new Lexus yesterday. His previous Lexus, a 2009 is250, suddenly stopped responding to the keys. Lexus got into the car but it won’t start. Quoting more than the car’s worth to, as I understand it, change most of its electronics, so it’s being scrapped.
I'll make do with what I have for as long as I can and when replacement can't be put off any longer it'll be with something fairly simple and basic.
Bottom line is I'd much prefer to spend three and a half grand on holidays rather than new cam covers...
The solution may be take a personal contract plan.
Work out (if you can) how much your current car has cost (loss in value, servicing, repairs, tyres - but not fuel or insurance) over its life with you and convert to a monthly cost.
Then take a look at 3 yr deals for a car you'd like - it doesn't have to be a new one, PCPs are available on s/hand. The dealer will give you the monthly cost and you can squeeze them for extras too (eg free servicing, warranty cover).
OK so at the end of the contract you ain't got nothing, but you also don't own a car nobody really wants and is worth a darn sight less than you paid for it. And if things are clearer about cars & the market in 3 years then you can buy again.
Work out (if you can) how much your current car has cost (loss in value, servicing, repairs, tyres - but not fuel or insurance) over its life with you and convert to a monthly cost.
Then take a look at 3 yr deals for a car you'd like - it doesn't have to be a new one, PCPs are available on s/hand. The dealer will give you the monthly cost and you can squeeze them for extras too (eg free servicing, warranty cover).
OK so at the end of the contract you ain't got nothing, but you also don't own a car nobody really wants and is worth a darn sight less than you paid for it. And if things are clearer about cars & the market in 3 years then you can buy again.
alfabristol said:
The solution may be take a personal contract plan.
Work out (if you can) how much your current car has cost (loss in value, servicing, repairs, tyres - but not fuel or insurance) over its life with you and convert to a monthly cost.
Then take a look at 3 yr deals for a car you'd like - it doesn't have to be a new one, PCPs are available on s/hand. The dealer will give you the monthly cost and you can squeeze them for extras too (eg free servicing, warranty cover).
OK so at the end of the contract you ain't got nothing, but you also don't own a car nobody really wants and is worth a darn sight less than you paid for it. And if things are clearer about cars & the market in 3 years then you can buy again.
I'm fortunate and probably quite unusual in that I run my old virtually depreciation free cars so cheaply no matter what deal could be put together it'd cost me a lot more a month. And anyway, finding ways round the problem of crap engineering is not the same as fixing it.Work out (if you can) how much your current car has cost (loss in value, servicing, repairs, tyres - but not fuel or insurance) over its life with you and convert to a monthly cost.
Then take a look at 3 yr deals for a car you'd like - it doesn't have to be a new one, PCPs are available on s/hand. The dealer will give you the monthly cost and you can squeeze them for extras too (eg free servicing, warranty cover).
OK so at the end of the contract you ain't got nothing, but you also don't own a car nobody really wants and is worth a darn sight less than you paid for it. And if things are clearer about cars & the market in 3 years then you can buy again.
I'm of the mind all this revolves around manufacturers quite deliberately crossing the boundary from engineering integrity and product durability into a arena of taking the piss out of customers to maximize profit and for me at least the consequences of doing so on resale value and brand reputation will remain Jaguars problem - it ain't gonna be mine
I had my XJ X351 serviced at J-Cat in Norwich last week.
Being fairly new to Jaguar ownership, and never having used an independent before, I asked them about common failures, and he cited exactly this point as being a problem. He had a cracked one there in his 'black museum' to show me; a seemingly innocuous crack along the seam of a plastic moulding. I believe the part is in the region of £400-ish, but he suggested that if you were going to all the expense of having it replaced, it would probably pay to change both at the same time, as it's little extra work to do both while you're under there.
BTW; can recommend J-Cat if you're anywhere near Norwich. Excellent service and a decent price.
Being fairly new to Jaguar ownership, and never having used an independent before, I asked them about common failures, and he cited exactly this point as being a problem. He had a cracked one there in his 'black museum' to show me; a seemingly innocuous crack along the seam of a plastic moulding. I believe the part is in the region of £400-ish, but he suggested that if you were going to all the expense of having it replaced, it would probably pay to change both at the same time, as it's little extra work to do both while you're under there.
BTW; can recommend J-Cat if you're anywhere near Norwich. Excellent service and a decent price.
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