Current Jaguar Range
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300bhp/ton said:
The thing is. Sales people work for a franchised dealer. They don’t work for Jaguar. So unless they happen to have something on their order system or some marketing material. They are none the wiser than you or I. And often less so if they aren’t actually interested in cars outside of work.
Big companies always work that way. Try asking the guys in the Apple store about next Autumns new updates, they have no more clue than anyone else.akadk said:
Because there is likely no business case at their projected volumes.
Audi/MB/BMW sell a lot more cars and are far better established in that sector and have a bloodline of cars and access to shared tech/engineering.
I can’t comment on the business case but in the past Jaguar offered ‘R’ versions of models such as XJ & XK etc.Audi/MB/BMW sell a lot more cars and are far better established in that sector and have a bloodline of cars and access to shared tech/engineering.
Shame as there’s currently nothing in the current range attractive to me.
Bubba Zanetti said:
It's frustrating to see them develop the Project 8 - how many are in the market for a £150k XE?
Then you're left scratching your head at whether there is going to be an M3/C63 equivalent of the XE around the £60k mark. Alfa Romeo have done it. Jaguar need to stop with these incredibly expensive niche models.
Project 8:-Then you're left scratching your head at whether there is going to be an M3/C63 equivalent of the XE around the £60k mark. Alfa Romeo have done it. Jaguar need to stop with these incredibly expensive niche models.
https://drivetribe.com/p/would-you-spend-260000-on...
Who’s going to buy it?
Bubba Zanetti said:
They might all be sold but a limited run of 300 cars worldwide isn't going to keep the factory busy for long.
Bravo to them but seriously gives us an M3/RS4/C63 rival.
Worldwide run of 300 compared to 34,677 for the F80 M3:-Bravo to them but seriously gives us an M3/RS4/C63 rival.
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t...
8bit said:
BMW, Audi and Mercedes can afford to do the seriously hot versions of their cars because they have economies of scale on their side; they're not quite loss leaders but they can afford to produce them because it builds aspiration to their brands - many cannot afford to have an RS4, for example, but they can have an A4 S-line so they get that instead. Jaguar don't sell regular cars in sufficient numbers (yet) to be able to have that.
I’d say that if Jaguar built some of the aspirational cars you describe it’d help sell some of the lesser models. As it is there’s nothing seriously hot in the Jaguar saloons.8bit said:
This was your thread originally, right? How hot is "seriously hot" in your view? What exactly are you looking to replace right now? If we've established that there is nothing in Jaguar's line up to your liking then how about an Alfa Guilia QF? Some sort of V8 Lexus saloon perhaps, assuming you're not looking for a/another German car...
My every day driver is a 2017 BMW 540 x-drive. I’d consider one of the ‘M’ BMW’s but I like to have a tow bar for my bike rack and anyway the 540 is seriously quick.When I change next year I’ll be looking at the Alfa though I haven’t driven one yet. I can’t even consider a Lexus as to me they commit the unforgivable sin of being ugly as s
t. 
I’ll also be looking at the new 3/4 series BMW’s, shame that Jaguar still has nothing to offer which is why I started the thread really.
8bit said:
Again that's not really apples for apples though is it? Cars back then were far simpler things, requiring far less by way of regulatory compliance, crash structures etc.
In any case, as per my previous answer, I'm sure if JLR felt it was worth their while making properly hot versions of the Jaguar saloons then we'd by buying them, not arguing over why there aren't any.
JLR now appear to be sat on their laurels while not selling nearly enough cars. They need to come up with something.In any case, as per my previous answer, I'm sure if JLR felt it was worth their while making properly hot versions of the Jaguar saloons then we'd by buying them, not arguing over why there aren't any.
8bit said:
They never intended to shift the sorts of volumes that the Germans do. I'm not sure they're exactly doing badly, see loads of them around here nowadays.
They’re doing so well they announced 4500 job cuts.http://fortune.com/2019/01/10/jaguar-land-rover-la...
8bit said:
They do now for the current range but they weren't selling. I'm saying they are not likely to continue to do so. Yes they have the V6 and V8 engines but they're going to disappear. It's not just as simple as swapping that into a car designed for a 2.0 diesel though, not these days.
I understand that but Jaguar has to come up with something new, innovative and exciting. The current range of diesel and low/medium powered petrol engines won’t excite anyone.akadk said:
bad company said:
I understand that but Jaguar has to come up with something new, innovative and exciting. The current range of diesel and low/medium powered petrol engines won’t excite anyone.
You mean, like a I-PACE ....Anyway I’m not an SUV fan. I’d like a high performance saloon and disappointingly Jaguar don’t offer one. Particularly disappointed as Jaguar have heritage for fast saloons.
akadk said:
It’s more cross over than full SUV
If you drive one you’ll realise it would leave a mk1 XF R for dust on a back road.
I just read the Top Gear review. It looks very good and can carry our bikes.If you drive one you’ll realise it would leave a mk1 XF R for dust on a back road.
I’d need to get my head around the limited range. Electric cars may well be the future but are we ready for them yet? Not sure.
hackjo said:
Jaguar have done a Rover and chucked their brand heritage out of the window in pursuit of volume sales.
Personally, I think they’re finished. Despite everything, in the Ford era they were still considered to be upmarket, sporty, sleek cars. The first XF developed that towards a “Cool Britannia” kind of image which was promising. Since then, they’ve fked it by going el cheapo and making SUV’s - an even more bizarre decision seeing as they are bedfellows with Land Rover.
I hope you’re wrong but the British motor industry has form for getting it wrong and going out of business.Personally, I think they’re finished. Despite everything, in the Ford era they were still considered to be upmarket, sporty, sleek cars. The first XF developed that towards a “Cool Britannia” kind of image which was promising. Since then, they’ve f
ked it by going el cheapo and making SUV’s - an even more bizarre decision seeing as they are bedfellows with Land Rover.cardigankid said:
Don't fret, eh? Apparently its the biggest loss in Indian corporate history.
Now, at last, they are discounting cars and offering 0% finance deals. A mere ten years too late. There have been too many bad decisions, not enough focus on quality, too much executive hubris, too much money spent on meaningless PR and sadly some pretty poor design. This is only going to end one way and it doesn't look too far off now. Nobody is going to give them the money they need for a relaunch this time, so we are going to have a sellout, to someone, with LR earning a living for itself, and Jaguar going the way of SAAB.
Wow, I hope you’re wrong.Now, at last, they are discounting cars and offering 0% finance deals. A mere ten years too late. There have been too many bad decisions, not enough focus on quality, too much executive hubris, too much money spent on meaningless PR and sadly some pretty poor design. This is only going to end one way and it doesn't look too far off now. Nobody is going to give them the money they need for a relaunch this time, so we are going to have a sellout, to someone, with LR earning a living for itself, and Jaguar going the way of SAAB.
I still fancy an F Type but can’t bring myself to pay the extortionate prices of the car and extras. When I configured one online I was up to £65,000 + when they wanted to charge another £60 for vanity mirrors in the sun visors. Why not add tyre caps to the options list while they’re at it.
Triple7 said:
So Ian Callum is out.....see where we go from here.......
Interesting times, I’m just waiting for my phone to ring.https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar/107039/ian-ca...
Bump.
This is the sort of car / performance I’d like to see from Jaguar:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTFAX_HEUs8
This is the sort of car / performance I’d like to see from Jaguar:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTFAX_HEUs8
williamp said:
Yes but it has the lips of leslie ash. And their range is only getting uglier. I have a 4 series, having almost got a jaguar. I do like cars with a certain elegance, so I will revisit jaguar in 2 years time..
...just not the Derby or Nottingham dealerships
There’s a lot to say for the 340 but I have to agree with you about the grill/lips. ...just not the Derby or Nottingham dealerships
Maybe it’d look better in a darker colour so that grill doesn’t stand out so much?
The Jaguars look better to me but nowhere near the performance.
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