No more Crackle and pops after update.
Discussion
Zulu 10 said:
Magikarp said:
There are some mightily offended people here.
Yes, and there are some incredibly selfish individuals on here too.As a countryside dweller I find my “quiet enjoyment” frequently disturbed by idiots on motorcycles and in ‘fast’ cars who think it their right for their vehicles to make as much noise as they desire.
Doing so with a legitimate purpose in mind (i.e. making maximum power) is understandable although not forgiveable, but doing so because “I’m anti-social and I don’t give a stuff about anyone else” seems simply moronic.
Mikebentley said:
+1 from me OP purchased a car because of its characteristics, we all do. They don’t have the right to remove these or do anything that deminishes his enjoyment of his property.
...and what right does the OP have to diminish the enjoyment of other people’s right to quiet enjoyment of their property?Meanwhile, what the less bright contributors fail to recognise is that it is precisely the sort of anti-social behaviour in which they apparently delight, that will give the anti-car lobby even more ammunition in their fight to get the ICE powered car banned. Having cars which gratuitously pop and bang on the over-run is needlessly adding fuel to the fire (or at least to the exhaust), so why do it? Are you too myopic and self-centred to realise that you're ultimately spoiling it for every genuine, but subtle, PH'er?
One must presume that despite all the mouth music, the pro-delinquent-behaviour advocates on here confine most of it to the council estates in which they reside, and will hopefully remain, but have never done anything grown up, like real motorsport, otherwise they would recognise that even there we have to ‘live and let live’, hence noise limits are rigorously enforced.
It's a road car. The pops and bangs don't make it any more powerful, faster, or more efficient. They're just anti-social, end of.
Time to grow up - Jaguar have done you a favour.
Equus said:
It's a road car. The pops and bangs don't make it any more powerful, faster, or more efficient. They're just anti-social, end of.
Imagine if you bought an electric guitar, and you took it back to the dealer because it kept going out of tune. When you got it back it sounded like a violin, but at least now it stayed in tune. You'd have every right to complain until the dealer fixed the guitar or replaced it. Even if everyone hates the sound of you playing because you're a bit s
t.OP you have every right to have the car in full working order with all the features you bought it for. If one of them is no longer present (even if it is considered antisocial by some people) then the car is now faulty. I suggest you explain this to the dealership and tell them that you will make a claim against them if they refuse to fix the problem. If that doesn't make them budge, contact some consumer groups or ask a solicitor to write them a letter.
Equus said:
When you feel the need to come on to an internet forum to whine about seeking legal redress against manufacturers taking measures to reduce it to lawful levels?
How do you know the levels are unlawful for when the car was made? Changes in legislation are not backdated to include those constructed prior. Cars which were sold without seatbelts or airbags or ABS are not required to have them retrofitted. The same is true for noise regs.If it is the case that the car was sold with software that was not compliant with the legislation in force at the time and the car is required to be made compliant then the owners of said cars are entitled to compensation as is the case with the VW dieselgate scandal.
Edited by LunarOne on Monday 21st September 13:54
Equus said:
liner33 said:
post 2020 regulation, which a 2016 car is not subject to
the OP said:
JLR is now reducing the noise produced by these cars to meet the strict noise regulation introduced a few years back.
I somewhat sympathise with the OP on this. He bought a 5 litre sports car for it's noise and drama and without being asked it's been toned down.
It's hardly the most antisocial thing. I get that mapped in pops and farts on 4 cylinder VAG car sounds stupid, but on a 5 litre v8 f-type I think it's appropriate.
I'd feel hard done by also!
It's hardly the most antisocial thing. I get that mapped in pops and farts on 4 cylinder VAG car sounds stupid, but on a 5 litre v8 f-type I think it's appropriate.
I'd feel hard done by also!
Do people genuinely enjoy the pops/bangs noise? Or do they just enjoy the attention it attracts? I love engine noise and enjoy a fruity exhaust but the pops and bangs trend is one I'll be very glad to see the back of. It just makes me think of VAG hot hatchbacks being driven in an anti social way through city centres. I don't know why anyone would want that on a sports car, but each to their own.
On the other hand, I think it's completely wrong that once you've bought the car they have the right to change the way it sounds. Don't agree with that at all.
On the other hand, I think it's completely wrong that once you've bought the car they have the right to change the way it sounds. Don't agree with that at all.
croissant said:
I somewhat sympathise with the OP on this. He bought a 5 litre sports car for it's noise and drama and without being asked it's been toned down.
It's hardly the most antisocial thing. I get that mapped in pops and farts on 4 cylinder VAG car sounds stupid, but on a 5 litre v8 f-type I think it's appropriate.
I'd feel hard done by also!
My thoughts too... and the guy on a motoring forum complaining about a V8 spoiling his pieceful walk. It's hardly the most antisocial thing. I get that mapped in pops and farts on 4 cylinder VAG car sounds stupid, but on a 5 litre v8 f-type I think it's appropriate.
I'd feel hard done by also!
Phil Dicky said:
Evanivitch said:
Jaguar identified the car had an illegal feature. Jaguar fixed it without cost to you.
Good on Jaguar.
On a new car yes....an older car no.Good on Jaguar.
LunarOne said:
Equus said:
It's a road car. The pops and bangs don't make it any more powerful, faster, or more efficient. They're just anti-social, end of.
Imagine if you bought an electric guitar, and you took it back to the dealer because it kept going out of tune. When you got it back it sounded like a violin, but at least now it stayed in tune. You'd have every right to complain until the dealer fixed the guitar or replaced it. Even if everyone hates the sound of you playing because you're a bit s
t.OP you have every right to have the car in full working order with all the features you bought it for. If one of them is no longer present (even if it is considered antisocial by some people) then the car is now faulty. I suggest you explain this to the dealership and tell them that you will make a claim against them if they refuse to fix the problem. If that doesn't make them budge, contact some consumer groups or ask a solicitor to write them a letter.
You knew in 2016 you had to limit the noise but they still carried on producing these cars with all the crackles and pops
Why are they STILL selling all 2016-2018 F-types with the full noise? Why not update the software to remove the pops and crackles for every used Jaguar F-type before they sell to a customer. I understand the newer (2019 upwards) models are now limited, but it's not fair for people that bought the older cars to have one of the main features removed without any prior knowledge or warning.
I'm definitely going to take this further. It seems the guys in the US are having their cars reverted once they've made a fuss to the dealer. Not many in the UK have had this done to their cars.
beemarman said:
Thank you for understanding. It seems a lot of people on here don't get it. The car was SOLD TO ME by a Jaguar dealership with the full exhaust noise including all the pops and crackles. I took the car to another dealer to have some other issues looked at. They decided to update the software to see if it would resolve the issue that I took the car in for. Unfortunately (dealer didn't know) updating the software removed the pops and crackles. The dealer is saying I would need to contact JLR for a fix. JRL is saying it's due to noise regulation that was put in place a few years back in 2016. So, why sell the car to me in the state it was in?
You knew in 2016 you had to limit the noise but they still carried on producing these cars with all the crackles and pops
Why are they STILL selling all 2016-2018 F-types with the full noise? Why not update the software to remove the pops and crackles for every used Jaguar F-type before they sell to a customer. I understand the newer (2019 upwards) models are now limited, but it's not fair for people that bought the older cars to have one of the main features removed without any prior knowledge or warning.
I'm definitely going to take this further. It seems the guys in the US are having their cars reverted once they've made a fuss to the dealer. Not many in the UK have had this done to their cars.
As above, I'm not sure I understand your need for the pops and crackles, but that's my problem, not yours.You knew in 2016 you had to limit the noise but they still carried on producing these cars with all the crackles and pops
Why are they STILL selling all 2016-2018 F-types with the full noise? Why not update the software to remove the pops and crackles for every used Jaguar F-type before they sell to a customer. I understand the newer (2019 upwards) models are now limited, but it's not fair for people that bought the older cars to have one of the main features removed without any prior knowledge or warning.
I'm definitely going to take this further. It seems the guys in the US are having their cars reverted once they've made a fuss to the dealer. Not many in the UK have had this done to their cars.
I do understand why they might be something some people like and make a buying decision on, and that your right to have that feature if it affected your choice, is not the same as your need to have it.
Perhaps it might be worth asking Jaguar if they retro-fit air-bags to older cars when they go in for a service? How is that different?
JonChalk said:
beemarman said:
Thank you for understanding. It seems a lot of people on here don't get it. The car was SOLD TO ME by a Jaguar dealership with the full exhaust noise including all the pops and crackles. I took the car to another dealer to have some other issues looked at. They decided to update the software to see if it would resolve the issue that I took the car in for. Unfortunately (dealer didn't know) updating the software removed the pops and crackles. The dealer is saying I would need to contact JLR for a fix. JRL is saying it's due to noise regulation that was put in place a few years back in 2016. So, why sell the car to me in the state it was in?
You knew in 2016 you had to limit the noise but they still carried on producing these cars with all the crackles and pops
Why are they STILL selling all 2016-2018 F-types with the full noise? Why not update the software to remove the pops and crackles for every used Jaguar F-type before they sell to a customer. I understand the newer (2019 upwards) models are now limited, but it's not fair for people that bought the older cars to have one of the main features removed without any prior knowledge or warning.
I'm definitely going to take this further. It seems the guys in the US are having their cars reverted once they've made a fuss to the dealer. Not many in the UK have had this done to their cars.
As above, I'm not sure I understand your need for the pops and crackles, but that's my problem, not yours.You knew in 2016 you had to limit the noise but they still carried on producing these cars with all the crackles and pops
Why are they STILL selling all 2016-2018 F-types with the full noise? Why not update the software to remove the pops and crackles for every used Jaguar F-type before they sell to a customer. I understand the newer (2019 upwards) models are now limited, but it's not fair for people that bought the older cars to have one of the main features removed without any prior knowledge or warning.
I'm definitely going to take this further. It seems the guys in the US are having their cars reverted once they've made a fuss to the dealer. Not many in the UK have had this done to their cars.
I do understand why they might be something some people like and make a buying decision on, and that your right to have that feature if it affected your choice, is not the same as your need to have it.
Perhaps it might be worth asking Jaguar if they retro-fit air-bags to older cars when they go in for a service? How is that different?
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