Jaguar Super V8 , The Best At A Price
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https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210180...
Already a relic from a Jaguar " Golden Age " when under Fords brief ownership anything seemed possible , make no mistake this is a wonderful thing .
I have been thinking about the price being asked and the various maintenance issues the suspension can throw up at this age . Its clearly not done much and I would love to know more about the cars history . There cant be many left in this condition though I have some issue with the front bumper alignment.
Its also I believe a Marshall Group supplied car which in SWB is less common than the LWB
Already a relic from a Jaguar " Golden Age " when under Fords brief ownership anything seemed possible , make no mistake this is a wonderful thing .
I have been thinking about the price being asked and the various maintenance issues the suspension can throw up at this age . Its clearly not done much and I would love to know more about the cars history . There cant be many left in this condition though I have some issue with the front bumper alignment.
Its also I believe a Marshall Group supplied car which in SWB is less common than the LWB
Edited by reddiesel on Thursday 17th November 14:04
Stedman said:
Bumper could have been off for some5ing simple like a xenon bulb replacement.
Absolutely but at the money being asked it wants sorting . Interested in making an offer I gave the vendor a call yesterday and what a poor experience that turned out to be . Knowing instantly the type I was dealing with I bid him a good day and put the phone down . Thats the difference between a long time Jaguar Owner/ Enthusiast and a Dealer believing he has found the Holy Grail out to make a killing . I have no problem with a Dealer making money I just struggle when he clearly hasn't done his homework and resorts to telling you a lot of piffle over the phone . Incidentally I saw it at no more than £25k on an extremely good day . Getting back to the Car its a Model almost twenty years old with zero recognition to todays Car Buyer . Its an enthusiasts car and in the pleasant climate I believe a difficult sale at any price .https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210180...
Discussing this again last night over a few Beers . I hope the vendor isnt relying on a Sale to fund his Christmas . Many Jaguar enthusiasts on here would I suppose have this in their garage of " Jaguar Greats " but for me its £15k max and you would really have to want it to pay that sort of money .
Can I ask a few of you older Jaguar enthusiasts a question and im genuinely interested in your thoughts .
Is this car the modern equivalent of the Mk2 3.8 or is the XJR the better comparison ?
Discussing this again last night over a few Beers . I hope the vendor isnt relying on a Sale to fund his Christmas . Many Jaguar enthusiasts on here would I suppose have this in their garage of " Jaguar Greats " but for me its £15k max and you would really have to want it to pay that sort of money .
Can I ask a few of you older Jaguar enthusiasts a question and im genuinely interested in your thoughts .
Is this car the modern equivalent of the Mk2 3.8 or is the XJR the better comparison ?
I think that's crazy money, but then I think that about a lot of today's asking prices for 10-25 year-old cars.
I don't see any comparison/similarity with the 3.8 MKIIs, other than 'Jaguar'; the XFR-S possibly, but not an XJ, not even the XJR. They're simply too big and are more fast-limousines, rather than sports-saloons. M3s, C63s etc. are, IMHO, a better modern-day match. Perhaps it's always difficult covering a 40-year gap, akin to comparing a 3.8 MKII to a 1920's car?
I do like the XJRs, I just don't see them as modern-day MKIIs.
I don't see any comparison/similarity with the 3.8 MKIIs, other than 'Jaguar'; the XFR-S possibly, but not an XJ, not even the XJR. They're simply too big and are more fast-limousines, rather than sports-saloons. M3s, C63s etc. are, IMHO, a better modern-day match. Perhaps it's always difficult covering a 40-year gap, akin to comparing a 3.8 MKII to a 1920's car?
I do like the XJRs, I just don't see them as modern-day MKIIs.
TarquinMX5 said:
I think that's crazy money, but then I think that about a lot of today's asking prices for 10-25 year-old cars.
I don't see any comparison/similarity with the 3.8 MKIIs, other than 'Jaguar'; the XFR-S possibly, but not an XJ, not even the XJR. They're simply too big and are more fast-limousines, rather than sports-saloons. M3s, C63s etc. are, IMHO, a better modern-day match. Perhaps it's always difficult covering a 40-year gap, akin to comparing a 3.8 MKII to a 1920's car?
I do like the XJRs, I just don't see them as modern-day MKIIs.
I'd agreeI don't see any comparison/similarity with the 3.8 MKIIs, other than 'Jaguar'; the XFR-S possibly, but not an XJ, not even the XJR. They're simply too big and are more fast-limousines, rather than sports-saloons. M3s, C63s etc. are, IMHO, a better modern-day match. Perhaps it's always difficult covering a 40-year gap, akin to comparing a 3.8 MKII to a 1920's car?
I do like the XJRs, I just don't see them as modern-day MKIIs.
A modern day MkII 3.8MOD would be an XE with the 5L V8 but without being as extreme as the project8 cars. It would be a mainstream production model.
Basically a case of taking your smallest car and your biggest engine.
A C63 would be along similar lines whereas a M3 has a special M3 only engine.
An XJ is much more in the spirit of MkX replacement particularly from the X350 onwards where the XJ grew so much.
Funnily enough, I did think that the later XJs were more akin to the MK10 / 420G, but didn't state it. Of course, the original XJ was intended to replace all of the saloon models but, as always, as each model evolved it became bigger and bigger, so smaller saloons were eventually introduced (X-type, S-type, XE, XF).
When the 'small' Jag, ie the MKI/MKII was introduced, there were bigger saloons (MKVII/VII/IX) - as an aside, I think an early swb (only version then available) XJ6 now looks relatively small, whereas they were big cars when first introduced.
The MKII was, in effect, an entry-level Jag, whereas the later XJs weren't. Perhaps the S-type R (which I'd forgotten about) would be a better comparison with the 3.8 MKII?
All IMHO.
When the 'small' Jag, ie the MKI/MKII was introduced, there were bigger saloons (MKVII/VII/IX) - as an aside, I think an early swb (only version then available) XJ6 now looks relatively small, whereas they were big cars when first introduced.
The MKII was, in effect, an entry-level Jag, whereas the later XJs weren't. Perhaps the S-type R (which I'd forgotten about) would be a better comparison with the 3.8 MKII?
All IMHO.
TarquinMX5 said:
The MKII was, in effect, an entry-level Jag, whereas the later XJs weren't. Perhaps the S-type R (which I'd forgotten about) would be a better comparison with the 3.8 MKII?
A good call, the STR would be a good candidate for the follow up the 3.8MOD Mk2.Actually a thought just occurred to me. Beecham would of course sell what was basically a STR with the body of a Mk2 floating on top
I never thought these looked as convincing as their E-Type conversion. I used to see them regularly when Chris Window & Peter Hugo were still at RGC. A great call on the STR and as someone said much overlooked . Bumper alignment on the X350 , on all the ones I owned and the genuine cars I often look at is more often than not spot on . By genuine I mean one owner and low mileage and V6 SE spec . I think where you come across poor alignment its mostly down to replacement of Parking Sensors and sadly by Main Dealers . Stratstone had three goes at an XJR owned by a friend of mine and it was still never right .
Re the MKII and S-Type R, see picture bottom of page 123 on the link (though admittedly not a 3.8)
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
sjc said:
A lovely and indeed a rare spot SJC but I have to tell you that its never figured on my radar and I doubt most other Jaguar Enthusiasts . Craig will probably be along in a minute to give us the numbers produced ( I am at home just now and my Jaguar Library I keep on the Boat ) but there couldn't have been many . By the time it got to the X358 it was pretty much game over and I have to wonder who was in the market for such a vehicle , especially when you consider the relative anonymity of the Super V8 which to many would answer the same need . The last one I saw of these was at JagWestLondon and it was well over £30k and an import from Japan .They always look overdone to me like a tart with too much mascara . Hopefully most will disagree with me
Well Steve he still has the car unsold and I am tempted to take a look at her in the flesh after Christmas though I note its by appointment only . I dont think he will have been overburdened with visitors at the money being asked . Bonnet and Bumper alignment when they were new was perfect .This particular Model which would have been the flagship of the range simply wouldn't have left Castle Bromwich in its current state so I suspect a Parking Sensor replacement followed by poor reassembly , the replacement Sensors of course came unpainted so should be easy to spot .
I noticed this car too! It is incredible how such a low mileage vastly inflates the price. While in theory, it should be as close to new as possible, buying one with around 60k miles probably represents a far better value for money buying prospect. At the end of the day, it is still nearly 20 years old so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some signs of its age. I noticed that bumper alignment too! It would be interesting to know more about the history of the car and its owner. It always seems a bit strange to me to buy something like this brand new and then not to use it!
I know colour choice is very subjective, but personally speaking I much prefer Radiance Red with the X350. Even if I was in the market for this, I don't think I could bring myself to pay so much over the odds for one that isn't in my favourite colour.
I'm not surprised by the dealer's attitude, so many seem to act like this, as though they are doing you a favour dealing with you! I'm always amazed how some dealers sell so many cars with their awful attitude. I can't imagine this will be very easy to sell - in a classic car auction, I doubt it would make significantly more than £15k. I wonder where the dealer sourced the car as I don't recall seeing it advertised privately or through any of the bigger classic car auctions.
I know colour choice is very subjective, but personally speaking I much prefer Radiance Red with the X350. Even if I was in the market for this, I don't think I could bring myself to pay so much over the odds for one that isn't in my favourite colour.
I'm not surprised by the dealer's attitude, so many seem to act like this, as though they are doing you a favour dealing with you! I'm always amazed how some dealers sell so many cars with their awful attitude. I can't imagine this will be very easy to sell - in a classic car auction, I doubt it would make significantly more than £15k. I wonder where the dealer sourced the car as I don't recall seeing it advertised privately or through any of the bigger classic car auctions.
Only 8k miles on an 04 plate - if thats real then you will have a lot of stored up issues with seals etc , i wouldnt touch it .
If its an itch you want to scratch pick up a cheap high mile XJR and spend some money fettling it.
When i come to sell my 07 XJR sometime next year i dont expect to get more than £2k maybe less as its on 260k miles , buy something like that spend not a lot to get it back into top condition and enjoy .
If its an itch you want to scratch pick up a cheap high mile XJR and spend some money fettling it.
When i come to sell my 07 XJR sometime next year i dont expect to get more than £2k maybe less as its on 260k miles , buy something like that spend not a lot to get it back into top condition and enjoy .
Dodsy said:
Only 8k miles on an 04 plate - if thats real then you will have a lot of stored up issues with seals etc , i wouldnt touch it .
If its an itch you want to scratch pick up a cheap high mile XJR and spend some money fettling it.
When i come to sell my 07 XJR sometime next year i dont expect to get more than £2k maybe less as its on 260k miles , buy something like that spend not a lot to get it back into top condition and enjoy .
I agree but the market dictates that lower mileage is better.If its an itch you want to scratch pick up a cheap high mile XJR and spend some money fettling it.
When i come to sell my 07 XJR sometime next year i dont expect to get more than £2k maybe less as its on 260k miles , buy something like that spend not a lot to get it back into top condition and enjoy .
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ks but hey ho at the other end of the spectrum it means there's bargains for those of us who don't mind buying something with some miles on.Gassing Station | Jaguar | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff