F-Types - Astonishing Value!
Discussion
Just read the whole thread & it’s interesting to compare the F-Type against it’s competitors at the price point they are available at:
I’m going to be in the market for a 2nd car to go with the Range Rover in the near future and with a budget of £30k the most appealing candidates are:
Aston Martin V8 Vantage 4.3 manual.
Porsche 997 Carerra 2 manual.
Jaguar F-Type V8S.
All these cars will make you feel good.
All these cars have their own appeal.
The Aston Martin is going to be an event every time you use it, and it looks gorgeous.
I have always wanted an Aston Martin.
But it’s not the fastest or dynamically the best of the bunch and is the oldest by far.
The Porsche will be great to drive, great to live with, properly useable and the wife loves them.
But it’s not as characterful as the other 2.
The F-Type is the newest, probably the fastest, loads of drama & noise, feel brilliant to drive (and the quick shift auto is really good).
But it’s also going depreciate the worst, it’s not as prestigious’ as the others.
At £30k its a lovely problem to have and the V8S rwd F-Type is a hell of a lot of car for the money.
I’m going to be in the market for a 2nd car to go with the Range Rover in the near future and with a budget of £30k the most appealing candidates are:
Aston Martin V8 Vantage 4.3 manual.
Porsche 997 Carerra 2 manual.
Jaguar F-Type V8S.
All these cars will make you feel good.
All these cars have their own appeal.
The Aston Martin is going to be an event every time you use it, and it looks gorgeous.
I have always wanted an Aston Martin.
But it’s not the fastest or dynamically the best of the bunch and is the oldest by far.
The Porsche will be great to drive, great to live with, properly useable and the wife loves them.
But it’s not as characterful as the other 2.
The F-Type is the newest, probably the fastest, loads of drama & noise, feel brilliant to drive (and the quick shift auto is really good).
But it’s also going depreciate the worst, it’s not as prestigious’ as the others.
At £30k its a lovely problem to have and the V8S rwd F-Type is a hell of a lot of car for the money.
Edited by Stick Legs on Saturday 11th February 12:06
Stick Legs said:
Just read the whole thread & it’s interesting to compare the F-Type against it’s competitors at the price point they are available at:
I’m going to be in the market for a 2nd car to go with the Range Rover in the near future and with a budget of £30k the most appealing candidates are:
Aston Martin V8 Vantage 4.3 manual.
Porsche 997 Carerra 2 manual.
Jaguar F-Type V8S.
All these cars will make you feel good.
All these cars have their own appeal.
The Aston Martin is going to be an event every time you use it, and it looks gorgeous.
I have always wanted an Aston Martin.
But it’s not the fastest or dynamically the best of the bunch and is the oldest by far.
The Porsche will be great to drive, great to live with, properly useable and the wife loves them.
But it’s not as characterful as the other 2.
The F-Type is the newest, probably the fastest, loads of drama & noise, feel brilliant to drive (and the quick shift auto is really good).
But it’s also going depreciate the worst, it’s not as prestigious’ as the others.
At £30k its a lovely problem to have and the V8S rwd F-Type is a hell of a lot of car for the money.
I think the Vantage 4.3 is easily bested by the X150 XKR in all departments and apart from the Badge a complete non event . The Porsche 997 is subject to Bore Scoring which is undetectable without a Boroscope so I would be treading carefully before making any purchase . With a Budget of £30k I suspect the F type will have already done most of its depreciation and as you say a lot of car for the money .I’m going to be in the market for a 2nd car to go with the Range Rover in the near future and with a budget of £30k the most appealing candidates are:
Aston Martin V8 Vantage 4.3 manual.
Porsche 997 Carerra 2 manual.
Jaguar F-Type V8S.
All these cars will make you feel good.
All these cars have their own appeal.
The Aston Martin is going to be an event every time you use it, and it looks gorgeous.
I have always wanted an Aston Martin.
But it’s not the fastest or dynamically the best of the bunch and is the oldest by far.
The Porsche will be great to drive, great to live with, properly useable and the wife loves them.
But it’s not as characterful as the other 2.
The F-Type is the newest, probably the fastest, loads of drama & noise, feel brilliant to drive (and the quick shift auto is really good).
But it’s also going depreciate the worst, it’s not as prestigious’ as the others.
At £30k its a lovely problem to have and the V8S rwd F-Type is a hell of a lot of car for the money.
Edited by Stick Legs on Saturday 11th February 12:06
reddiesel said:
I think the Vantage 4.3 is easily bested by the X150 XKR in all departments and apart from the Badge a complete non event . The Porsche 997 is subject to Bore Scoring which is undetectable without a Boroscope so I would be treading carefully before making any purchase . With a Budget of £30k I suspect the F type will have already done most of its depreciation and as you say a lot of car for the money .
I think that although V8 Vantage is bested by the XKR in most departments it’s certainly more than just a badge.The interior feels nice, a naturally aspirated V8 with a 3 pedal manual box is quite a treat now. But yes, it’s a £15-£20k car by any rational metric.
I’m very heavily leaning toward the F-Type V8S.
A mate has one & it’s fantastic.
I’d forgotten about 997 bore wear, similar to DB9 ‘knock’ and cat ingestion. May not happen to you but the stuff of sleepless nights!
The other nice thing about an F-Type is I have a JLR code reader & a mate with a garage & a couple of sc V8 Jags.
Stick Legs said:
I think that although V8 Vantage is bested by the XKR in most departments it’s certainly more than just a badge.
The interior feels nice, a naturally aspirated V8 with a 3 pedal manual box is quite a treat now. But yes, it’s a £15-£20k car by any rational metric.
I’m very heavily leaning toward the F-Type V8S.
A mate has one & it’s fantastic.
I’d forgotten about 997 bore wear, similar to DB9 ‘knock’ and cat ingestion. May not happen to you but the stuff of sleepless nights!
The other nice thing about an F-Type is I have a JLR code reader & a mate with a garage & a couple of sc V8 Jags.
The F-Type will be much cheaper to service than the other two, even if you have it done at a Jag dealer. The interior feels nice, a naturally aspirated V8 with a 3 pedal manual box is quite a treat now. But yes, it’s a £15-£20k car by any rational metric.
I’m very heavily leaning toward the F-Type V8S.
A mate has one & it’s fantastic.
I’d forgotten about 997 bore wear, similar to DB9 ‘knock’ and cat ingestion. May not happen to you but the stuff of sleepless nights!
The other nice thing about an F-Type is I have a JLR code reader & a mate with a garage & a couple of sc V8 Jags.
Stick Legs said:
I think that although V8 Vantage is bested by the XKR in most departments it’s certainly more than just a badge.
The interior feels nice, a naturally aspirated V8 with a 3 pedal manual box is quite a treat now. But yes, it’s a £15-£20k car by any rational metric.
I’m very heavily leaning toward the F-Type V8S.
A mate has one & it’s fantastic.
I’d forgotten about 997 bore wear, similar to DB9 ‘knock’ and cat ingestion. May not happen to you but the stuff of sleepless nights!
The other nice thing about an F-Type is I have a JLR code reader & a mate with a garage & a couple of sc V8 Jags.
Both Cars built when Ford owned both Brands we could argue all day but the main advantage is the Aston Badge and I would say this about the DB9 too . If you want to talk N/A then I would send you in the direction of the 4.2 or 5.0 XK none came with Manual but a far better spec than most Astons of the period .The interior feels nice, a naturally aspirated V8 with a 3 pedal manual box is quite a treat now. But yes, it’s a £15-£20k car by any rational metric.
I’m very heavily leaning toward the F-Type V8S.
A mate has one & it’s fantastic.
I’d forgotten about 997 bore wear, similar to DB9 ‘knock’ and cat ingestion. May not happen to you but the stuff of sleepless nights!
The other nice thing about an F-Type is I have a JLR code reader & a mate with a garage & a couple of sc V8 Jags.
I owned both the X150 and DB9 together and I agreed with Clarkson the Jaguar was the better Car but the Aston more of an Event . Simpo may be along in a minute and rightly point out that you cant really make a comparison between a manufactured Product off a Production Line and a Bespoke one from Gaydon and I would be forced to agree with him . Will these early Vantage 4.3 ever make good money ? A totally different car but bang for buck would inevitably put me in a 400bhp X350 XJR , I would maintain her cheaper too . Meanwhile of course I have fallen for another Aston , we all do in the end .
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14530731
Nice one here for you Stick ? How high will it go ?
Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 12th February 08:53
Just passed by this thread and wanted to give my 2 cents. The jaguar/RR V8 engine is probably the best thing this company has managed to make. Even the V6 is as loud as some modern v8's. The V8 however, OH MY LORD. More SVR than f types about because of their practically and price I suppose. But that thing is just insane to listen, it's also very pretty. Whoever has one, I salute you, keep making Britain loud.
reddiesel said:
Nice one here for you Stick ? How high will it go ?
That’s lovely.Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 12th February 08:53
I agree completely about the relative merits of the X150/DB9/V8V/F-Type cars.
Firstly how lucky are we to have this dilemma, and secondly how bloody brilliant is our car industry to have created all four of these cars.
Regardless I shall be keeping my L405 FFRR so there are no bad outcomes.
Raihan said:
Just passed by this thread and wanted to give my 2 cents. The jaguar/RR V8 engine is probably the best thing this company has managed to make. Even the V6 is as loud as some modern v8's. The V8 however, OH MY LORD. More SVR than f types about because of their practically and price I suppose. But that thing is just insane to listen, it's also very pretty. Whoever has one, I salute you, keep making Britain loud.
Good to hear your thoughts , its about time you were joining us with a V8 Jaguar have you taken the plunge yet ? I remember you talking about some BMW I'm not sure if those who are saying that some of these have done all their depreciating are correct or are kidding themselves.
The key difference between and F Type and most of it's contemporise is that the likes of Aston Martin and Porsche have few models which depreciate to banger money whereas most Jags do.
£30K still seems like a good price for what you get though so I'd say forget depreciation and enjoy these cars for what they are - great cars which are cheap due to crap image - who cares about image though.
The key difference between and F Type and most of it's contemporise is that the likes of Aston Martin and Porsche have few models which depreciate to banger money whereas most Jags do.
£30K still seems like a good price for what you get though so I'd say forget depreciation and enjoy these cars for what they are - great cars which are cheap due to crap image - who cares about image though.
reddiesel said:
Good to hear your thoughts , its about time you were joining us with a V8 Jaguar have you taken the plunge yet ? I remember you talking about some BMW
Haha, no, not a chance I can even afford one, I'm a young lad, hopefully one day tho. I just love, understand and appreciate cars that deserve to be recognised. You talking about the BMW from the leasing thread? Ofc if anyone is giving one for free I won't say no lolEdited by Raihan on Sunday 12th February 12:10
I dont thing anyone has said they have done all of their depreciation ? What I said was at £30k , its already done its biggest chunk and if the Buyer is sensible with the Model he buys the History and Mileage it could still be a £20k to £25k car come exit time . I use the current X150 prices as a yardstick and I believe its difficult to see a £30k outlay in an F Type halving in price over the short to medium term and I suspect many would agree with that ?
Very Interesting read from you guys, I can't really comment, other than on my way to the SVR I also looked at the Aston Martin Vantage and thought nice car but it's been around a long time, DB11 lovely looker but too big for me, Merc amg gtc too wide and very expensive, SVR just right.
Been reading this and the other F-Type threads on PH on they're all very helpful so thanks to all the previous posters 
I thought I would add my thoughts given that i had a test drive in a brand new F-Type P450 yesterday. My situation is that i currently own a BMW 530d (2012, so F10 generation) which I'm looking to replace this year as, with ever increasing ULEZ restrictions, the 'd' bit is going to really bring the value of it down. I'm looking at cars in the £25-30k range and my current preferences in priority order are:
1. BMW M5 (F10). Yep, the brilliantly original idea of replacing my car with the M5 version of the same thing. That's partly because my current car has been excellent. Decently quick, very long legged on the motorways (2,000 rpm @ 100mph) comfortable, reasonable running costs albeit I've thrown more money at mine than i probably should have. There are plenty of M5s on the market at my price point and i struggle to see them depreciating too much from there, not least as with BMWs current penchant for gopping designs, I think the F10 remains one of the last good looking BMWs. Shed loads of power and as a BMW fan, I've wanted an M3/5 my whole life, so it would be a major box to tick. Downsides? Much higher running costs than the 530d and I've seen a lot of people say they struggle badly with traction being rwd and don't necessarily feel that quick. Plus at the end of the day it's a 5-series, rather than something unusual or special.
2. F-Type V6S coupe. Ticks the special box much more than a 5 series. It would be my only car but I don't have kids / dogs to worry about so the lack of boot space wouldn't be too much of an issue.
3. Mercedes AMG of some sort. Most in this price range are things like the c-class 63 AMG.
4. Wildcards: Maserati 4200 / AM V8 Vantage. I'd be concerned with the AM that I'd be buying at the bottom of the market, which I'm never keen on. But then you do get an Aston Martin...
Coming back to the F-Type I drove yesterday, the interior was a nice place to be and once I'd adjusted to the very different driving position, i was getting along with it just fine. Got onto the dual carriageway, floored it and..... not a great deal happened. I'm not sure quite what i was expecting, but it just didn't feel that much quicker than my car. Granted, I'd floored it from low revs forgetting i wasn't in a diesel anymore and once the engine got towards the top of the rev range things improved, plus a dual carriageway isn't going to give you the same sense of speed as a b-road, but nonetheless it was a bit disappointing. The noise was also nothing to write home about. I asked the salesman if it was coming in through the speakers as it just didn't sound that great. It hasn't put me off altogether by any means hence it's still number two on the list above and i understand the V6s may sound better, but I didn't cement itself as a must have either. I wonder if the way the performance felt to me was the way others have experienced the M5, where modern cars are so refined that they just insulate you from the performance. It's also what has put the AMG Mercedes on the list as, from the outside at least, they sound great.
Oh and it's only fair to say that Jaguar themselves were great. I applied for the test drive through their national website and later that day the local dealer got in touch and sourced a car for the weekend. Given that they didn't know me from Adam, I thought their accommodating approach was fantastic.
I thought I would add my thoughts given that i had a test drive in a brand new F-Type P450 yesterday. My situation is that i currently own a BMW 530d (2012, so F10 generation) which I'm looking to replace this year as, with ever increasing ULEZ restrictions, the 'd' bit is going to really bring the value of it down. I'm looking at cars in the £25-30k range and my current preferences in priority order are:
1. BMW M5 (F10). Yep, the brilliantly original idea of replacing my car with the M5 version of the same thing. That's partly because my current car has been excellent. Decently quick, very long legged on the motorways (2,000 rpm @ 100mph) comfortable, reasonable running costs albeit I've thrown more money at mine than i probably should have. There are plenty of M5s on the market at my price point and i struggle to see them depreciating too much from there, not least as with BMWs current penchant for gopping designs, I think the F10 remains one of the last good looking BMWs. Shed loads of power and as a BMW fan, I've wanted an M3/5 my whole life, so it would be a major box to tick. Downsides? Much higher running costs than the 530d and I've seen a lot of people say they struggle badly with traction being rwd and don't necessarily feel that quick. Plus at the end of the day it's a 5-series, rather than something unusual or special.
2. F-Type V6S coupe. Ticks the special box much more than a 5 series. It would be my only car but I don't have kids / dogs to worry about so the lack of boot space wouldn't be too much of an issue.
3. Mercedes AMG of some sort. Most in this price range are things like the c-class 63 AMG.
4. Wildcards: Maserati 4200 / AM V8 Vantage. I'd be concerned with the AM that I'd be buying at the bottom of the market, which I'm never keen on. But then you do get an Aston Martin...
Coming back to the F-Type I drove yesterday, the interior was a nice place to be and once I'd adjusted to the very different driving position, i was getting along with it just fine. Got onto the dual carriageway, floored it and..... not a great deal happened. I'm not sure quite what i was expecting, but it just didn't feel that much quicker than my car. Granted, I'd floored it from low revs forgetting i wasn't in a diesel anymore and once the engine got towards the top of the rev range things improved, plus a dual carriageway isn't going to give you the same sense of speed as a b-road, but nonetheless it was a bit disappointing. The noise was also nothing to write home about. I asked the salesman if it was coming in through the speakers as it just didn't sound that great. It hasn't put me off altogether by any means hence it's still number two on the list above and i understand the V6s may sound better, but I didn't cement itself as a must have either. I wonder if the way the performance felt to me was the way others have experienced the M5, where modern cars are so refined that they just insulate you from the performance. It's also what has put the AMG Mercedes on the list as, from the outside at least, they sound great.
Oh and it's only fair to say that Jaguar themselves were great. I applied for the test drive through their national website and later that day the local dealer got in touch and sourced a car for the weekend. Given that they didn't know me from Adam, I thought their accommodating approach was fantastic.
I suspect the issue with the one you drove yesterday was the fun sapping OPF fitted.
In the price range you’re looking at, I believe the V6’s won’t have the OPF as they’ll be older.
I recently heard a new V8 Defender and it really didn’t sound much like the V8 I had in my 2014 F-Type R.
In the price range you’re looking at, I believe the V6’s won’t have the OPF as they’ll be older.
I recently heard a new V8 Defender and it really didn’t sound much like the V8 I had in my 2014 F-Type R.
Edited by Square Leg on Sunday 12th February 20:34
Square Leg said:
I suspect the issue with the one you drove yesterday was the fun sapping OPF fitted.
In the price range you’re looking at, I believe the V6’s won’t have the OPF as they’ll be older.
I recently heard a new V8 Defender and it really didn’t sound much like the V8 I had in my 2014 F-Type R.
I'm pretty sure they've dialled the sound down, it's not exactly a sports car meant to wake people up, it's an offroader. I may be wrong In the price range you’re looking at, I believe the V6’s won’t have the OPF as they’ll be older.
I recently heard a new V8 Defender and it really didn’t sound much like the V8 I had in my 2014 F-Type R.
Edited by Square Leg on Sunday 12th February 20:34
craigjm said:
Square Leg said:
craigjm said:
ratboiler said:
Errrr OPF?
They are called OPF in German (Otto partikelfilter) Fitted to new cars from around July 2018.
PPF has always been a protective film….
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