F-Types - Astonishing Value!
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I watch this thread with interest.
Having revived my Griff over the last 18 months, it might be time for a change, and I'd noticed a few of these F Types over the summer and on our Angouleme trip. The v8 sounds epic.
So have been seeing what is around, either v8 R or S. Achieving 500+ bhp is obviously bragging rights but suspect the actual real world difference between the 495 and 550 is minimal and eaten up by 4wd vs 2wd. The biggest issue is the lack of interesting colours. And I'm a fan of a light interior.
They do seem good value, rare and good looking especially in convertible form. From TVR to a more grown up but still angry sounding Jag is probably a natural continuation of the journey!
Having revived my Griff over the last 18 months, it might be time for a change, and I'd noticed a few of these F Types over the summer and on our Angouleme trip. The v8 sounds epic.
So have been seeing what is around, either v8 R or S. Achieving 500+ bhp is obviously bragging rights but suspect the actual real world difference between the 495 and 550 is minimal and eaten up by 4wd vs 2wd. The biggest issue is the lack of interesting colours. And I'm a fan of a light interior.
They do seem good value, rare and good looking especially in convertible form. From TVR to a more grown up but still angry sounding Jag is probably a natural continuation of the journey!
ric p said:
I watch this thread with interest.
Having revived my Griff over the last 18 months, it might be time for a change, and I'd noticed a few of these F Types over the summer and on our Angouleme trip. The v8 sounds epic.
So have been seeing what is around, either v8 R or S. Achieving 500+ bhp is obviously bragging rights but suspect the actual real world difference between the 495 and 550 is minimal and eaten up by 4wd vs 2wd. The biggest issue is the lack of interesting colours. And I'm a fan of a light interior.
They do seem good value, rare and good looking especially in convertible form. From TVR to a more grown up but still angry sounding Jag is probably a natural continuation of the journey!
Agreed...I had two Chimaeras in 1998 and 2000 respectively, and there's definitely some similarities in spirit. The Jag is obviously a far superior vehicle both in execution and ergonomics, but it shares a kindred spirit I think. Having revived my Griff over the last 18 months, it might be time for a change, and I'd noticed a few of these F Types over the summer and on our Angouleme trip. The v8 sounds epic.
So have been seeing what is around, either v8 R or S. Achieving 500+ bhp is obviously bragging rights but suspect the actual real world difference between the 495 and 550 is minimal and eaten up by 4wd vs 2wd. The biggest issue is the lack of interesting colours. And I'm a fan of a light interior.
They do seem good value, rare and good looking especially in convertible form. From TVR to a more grown up but still angry sounding Jag is probably a natural continuation of the journey!
I ran a Cerbera for a year or two and it was very similar to the SVR in the way it accelerated and almost roared with objection when you would try to rein it in whilst popping and banging . The latter of course was much more predictable and felt a lot safer in the wet.
Incredible now to think what Peter Wheeler achieved back then with the V8 .
Incredible now to think what Peter Wheeler achieved back then with the V8 .
I've previously had a tuscan and sagaris, even the sag when sorted had that, one day I'm going to kill you feeling. The Tuscan was there are 3 outcomes today, death, breakdown (including engine grenade or running out of fuel because the pretty but useless gauge was unreliable below 50%) or arrival as planned, always made a journey interesting.
The f-type is so much better
v6 vs v8, I think the v6 sounds better and like the exhaust placement (matches my e-type) but in the end knowing I was carrying the v8 block around would always annoy me.
I drive mine 95% in auto, but is great when you know a road, know an overtake opportunity and the ability too blip it down a couple of gears as you wait for the other side to clear and then go
I am almost tempted to get a matching 4 cylinder coupe, just looking at the torque curve, there is a detuned car, if the drive train is the same, bet there is so much more torque that should be deliverable.
Interesting my independent despite driving loads of f-types over the years, drove my svr and its now on his, cars I want to own list
At some point when I figure out how to do it, I'll post a f-type/e-type side by side photo
The f-type is so much better
v6 vs v8, I think the v6 sounds better and like the exhaust placement (matches my e-type) but in the end knowing I was carrying the v8 block around would always annoy me.
I drive mine 95% in auto, but is great when you know a road, know an overtake opportunity and the ability too blip it down a couple of gears as you wait for the other side to clear and then go
I am almost tempted to get a matching 4 cylinder coupe, just looking at the torque curve, there is a detuned car, if the drive train is the same, bet there is so much more torque that should be deliverable.
Interesting my independent despite driving loads of f-types over the years, drove my svr and its now on his, cars I want to own list
At some point when I figure out how to do it, I'll post a f-type/e-type side by side photo
I should start by saying I am a V6S owner, however I have spent a good amount of time in the V8R AWD, around 600 miles around the NC500. Never driven the RWD V8, but the AWD car definitely feels heavier and less pointy, I'm sure that applies for V6 AWD and V8 AWD.
Both sound amazing, but very different. Can't say I prefer one to the other. I prefer the look of the central exhausts on the roadster, but the quad V8 tips suit the coupe rear much more. I know this much, every weekend car I've owned I've always put an aftermarket exhaust on the liven things up, absolutely no need with the F-Type. Sublime! These cars have so much character.
Good comparison video here from Harry Metcalfe when at Evo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwrKzGLAEE4
I love the V8 noise, but it's very mono-tone right through the rev range, just gets louder. Where-as the V6 can sometimes sound very raspy, but also very deep, just depends on conditions, load, revs etc. More induction noise too, as acknowledged in the video above.
As for value, yes and no. I have mine up for sale at the moment (won't link), it's between £25k to £30k which on it's own looks like great value, but it'll be 10 years old next year. Would be another £5 to £7.5k at least to jump to the V8 of same age and mileage.
I've noticed the values have dropped quite a bit in the last two months, hopefully the prices\gap return to pre-covid, as I'm priced out of the facelift >2017 V8 at the moment. Love to try the V8 whilst we can, but probably better cars when looking to spend £50k+. That said, if I won the lottery tomorrow, it would be a SVR for me. Not interested in supercars really.
Both sound amazing, but very different. Can't say I prefer one to the other. I prefer the look of the central exhausts on the roadster, but the quad V8 tips suit the coupe rear much more. I know this much, every weekend car I've owned I've always put an aftermarket exhaust on the liven things up, absolutely no need with the F-Type. Sublime! These cars have so much character.
Good comparison video here from Harry Metcalfe when at Evo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwrKzGLAEE4
I love the V8 noise, but it's very mono-tone right through the rev range, just gets louder. Where-as the V6 can sometimes sound very raspy, but also very deep, just depends on conditions, load, revs etc. More induction noise too, as acknowledged in the video above.
As for value, yes and no. I have mine up for sale at the moment (won't link), it's between £25k to £30k which on it's own looks like great value, but it'll be 10 years old next year. Would be another £5 to £7.5k at least to jump to the V8 of same age and mileage.
I've noticed the values have dropped quite a bit in the last two months, hopefully the prices\gap return to pre-covid, as I'm priced out of the facelift >2017 V8 at the moment. Love to try the V8 whilst we can, but probably better cars when looking to spend £50k+. That said, if I won the lottery tomorrow, it would be a SVR for me. Not interested in supercars really.
Edited by scz4 on Friday 25th November 11:49
most sports car prices have dropped,speaking to a porsche dealer a few weeks ago they were not selling 911s so the price drop reflects the market and time of year.
My wife has a 6 cylinder car,had it 2 years and not missed a beat .Probably less issues than any porsche I have owned so I am not sure where this reliability issue stems from .
Dynamically they aren't a match for a 911 but they have many advantages so you just need to decide what is best for how you drive.
My wife has a 6 cylinder car,had it 2 years and not missed a beat .Probably less issues than any porsche I have owned so I am not sure where this reliability issue stems from .
Dynamically they aren't a match for a 911 but they have many advantages so you just need to decide what is best for how you drive.
franki68 said:
most sports car prices have dropped,speaking to a porsche dealer a few weeks ago they were not selling 911s so the price drop reflects the market and time of year.
My wife has a 6 cylinder car,had it 2 years and not missed a beat .Probably less issues than any porsche I have owned so I am not sure where this reliability issue stems from .
Dynamically they aren't a match for a 911 but they have many advantages so you just need to decide what is best for how you drive.
An interesting Post this one Frankie regarding 911s , I am currently £6k adrift with Porsche Silverstone over their valuation of a 911 Turbo and they wont even split the difference . Like you absolutely no issue with reliability when it comes to modern Jaguars and any problems are well known and relatively cheaply sorted . In many ways I think they are complete bargains for what they are . The X150 for example is easily a better car than any comparable Aston and ive owned both at the same time .My wife has a 6 cylinder car,had it 2 years and not missed a beat .Probably less issues than any porsche I have owned so I am not sure where this reliability issue stems from .
Dynamically they aren't a match for a 911 but they have many advantages so you just need to decide what is best for how you drive.
reddiesel said:
An interesting Post this one Frankie regarding 911s , I am currently £6k adrift with Porsche Silverstone over their valuation of a 911 Turbo and they wont even split the difference . Like you absolutely no issue with reliability when it comes to modern Jaguars and any problems are well known and relatively cheaply sorted . In many ways I think they are complete bargains for what they are . The X150 for example is easily a better car than any comparable Aston and ive owned both at the same time .
I'm surprised they are even offering on your car unless you are doing a part ex.I spoke to 2 dealers just to get a feel for the market and they both said they were not interested in any 911 ,one said they had sold one 911 in the past month.
Funnily enough I drove the new aston vantage a month or so ago and came away wondering why it was 50k more than the equivalent f type .
I am seriously looking at an fpace as a daily as it seems outstanding value relative to that market segment.
Yes you are correct it was a PX . Alternatively Porsche down in Surrey told me plainly they didn’t want the car for the reason you mention .
The Aston Vantage I was very disappointed with , the frontal aspect also left a lot to be desired . The F type SVR is in my view the best value for money on the road despite its shortcomings
The Aston Vantage I was very disappointed with , the frontal aspect also left a lot to be desired . The F type SVR is in my view the best value for money on the road despite its shortcomings
The more I look the more I am tempted by the V6 over the V8.
and yes, its purely because its just more affordable.
The only decent looking, lower range of the market V8 Coupe is 34k - Sports seats, pano roof, exhaust and sqaure wheel.
The equivalent early V6s, although a convertible, is 22k.
The V8 id need to take a car loan out really, whereas the V6 I could easily fund through the sale of a van I don't use.
With everything else going on (interest rates/mortgage rates etc) for me it seems like a way to get almost all the fun, for about 10k less.
and yes, its purely because its just more affordable.
The only decent looking, lower range of the market V8 Coupe is 34k - Sports seats, pano roof, exhaust and sqaure wheel.
The equivalent early V6s, although a convertible, is 22k.
The V8 id need to take a car loan out really, whereas the V6 I could easily fund through the sale of a van I don't use.
With everything else going on (interest rates/mortgage rates etc) for me it seems like a way to get almost all the fun, for about 10k less.
And now, in true PH fashion and thanks to the contributors here, I am now looking at the SVR. Working on the principle that 495 equals good, 550 better thus 575 is best.
They are a fair bit more expensive but look better with the front wing cutout and rear spoiler. In a nice blue. Perhaps wait to see how prices fair.
The XKR also looks good but more of a gt, perhaps in the mould of my old Maserati 4200 Spyder. The front of them looks especially good and clean in design. I’ll have to look at both.
The trouble with the Griff is my wife is not overly keen on travelling in it. Which does rather limit my use of it. These are likely to be more partner friendly.
They are a fair bit more expensive but look better with the front wing cutout and rear spoiler. In a nice blue. Perhaps wait to see how prices fair.
The XKR also looks good but more of a gt, perhaps in the mould of my old Maserati 4200 Spyder. The front of them looks especially good and clean in design. I’ll have to look at both.
The trouble with the Griff is my wife is not overly keen on travelling in it. Which does rather limit my use of it. These are likely to be more partner friendly.
EVOTECH3BELL said:
The more I look the more I am tempted by the V6 over the V8.
and yes, its purely because its just more affordable.
The only decent looking, lower range of the market V8 Coupe is 34k - Sports seats, pano roof, exhaust and sqaure wheel.
The equivalent early V6s, although a convertible, is 22k.
The V8 id need to take a car loan out really, whereas the V6 I could easily fund through the sale of a van I don't use.
With everything else going on (interest rates/mortgage rates etc) for me it seems like a way to get almost all the fun, for about 10k less.
Nobody is ever going to be criticised for buying what they can afford and its my belief you wont be disappointed by your choice . Life is perilously short so get out and enjoy selecting your purchase . Drop me a PM if anything local to me sparks your interest .and yes, its purely because its just more affordable.
The only decent looking, lower range of the market V8 Coupe is 34k - Sports seats, pano roof, exhaust and sqaure wheel.
The equivalent early V6s, although a convertible, is 22k.
The V8 id need to take a car loan out really, whereas the V6 I could easily fund through the sale of a van I don't use.
With everything else going on (interest rates/mortgage rates etc) for me it seems like a way to get almost all the fun, for about 10k less.
ric p said:
And now, in true PH fashion and thanks to the contributors here, I am now looking at the SVR. Working on the principle that 495 equals good, 550 better thus 575 is best.
They are a fair bit more expensive but look better with the front wing cutout and rear spoiler. In a nice blue. Perhaps wait to see how prices fair.
The XKR also looks good but more of a gt, perhaps in the mould of my old Maserati 4200 Spyder. The front of them looks especially good and clean in design. I’ll have to look at both.
The trouble with the Griff is my wife is not overly keen on travelling in it. Which does rather limit my use of it. These are likely to be more partner friendly.
You will enjoy the SVR , please try and go for a previously Privately owned car rather than these extraordinarily low mileage examples showing the previous owner as JLR . Some have been tracked and most piloted by a raft of Drivers enjoying a Leasing Agreement with a couldn't give a monkeys attitude . Repainted Cars you will always spot by the giveaway lacquer line at the edge of the rubber seal which lies between the roofline and the glass roof . Shaky trim on the front wing above the wheel arch should arouse suspicion and an absence of the SVR sticker on the wheels indicates they have been refurbedThey are a fair bit more expensive but look better with the front wing cutout and rear spoiler. In a nice blue. Perhaps wait to see how prices fair.
The XKR also looks good but more of a gt, perhaps in the mould of my old Maserati 4200 Spyder. The front of them looks especially good and clean in design. I’ll have to look at both.
The trouble with the Griff is my wife is not overly keen on travelling in it. Which does rather limit my use of it. These are likely to be more partner friendly.
Interesting thread.
I have a v6s coupe, bought to do 25k miles per year, pre-covid.
First non v8 in 21 years.
TVR 500 Chimaera, BMW 735 /740/650.
Reliability has been the best of any of the above, with the TVR a very close second, as it needed a speed sensor adjustment.
I have driven a couple of v8 F-types and they have been great, loved them, but always like to get back in my v6 and drive it like I stole it.:-)
I am fortunate to have the choice to buy any of the cars mentioned in this thread tomorrow, but have never, ever thought about changing my pointless v6 Jag, as I love everything about it, the way it looks, the way it drives, the character and the noise it makes.
The v6 works for us.
P.s I must try one of those 991's.
I have a v6s coupe, bought to do 25k miles per year, pre-covid.
First non v8 in 21 years.
TVR 500 Chimaera, BMW 735 /740/650.
Reliability has been the best of any of the above, with the TVR a very close second, as it needed a speed sensor adjustment.
I have driven a couple of v8 F-types and they have been great, loved them, but always like to get back in my v6 and drive it like I stole it.:-)
I am fortunate to have the choice to buy any of the cars mentioned in this thread tomorrow, but have never, ever thought about changing my pointless v6 Jag, as I love everything about it, the way it looks, the way it drives, the character and the noise it makes.
The v6 works for us.
P.s I must try one of those 991's.
I had a V8R rwd for just over a year.
Very nice and all that, but could really feel the weight in it and whilst the noise was ok it actually grated on me after a while….
Have currently been looking at F-Types again but this time I’d be more than happy with a 400 Sport - don’t think I’d bother with the V8 again.
Very nice and all that, but could really feel the weight in it and whilst the noise was ok it actually grated on me after a while….
Have currently been looking at F-Types again but this time I’d be more than happy with a 400 Sport - don’t think I’d bother with the V8 again.
Square Leg said:
I had a V8R rwd for just over a year.
Very nice and all that, but could really feel the weight in it and whilst the noise was ok it actually grated on me after a while….
Have currently been looking at F-Types again but this time I’d be more than happy with a 400 Sport - don’t think I’d bother with the V8 again.
What is the actual weight difference , I am guessing about 1.9 in the V6 to around 2.1 in the V8 ? Both Cars are heavy and to be fair by the time you build in all these extras the marketplace demands this inevitably is where you end up . With a GT rather than a Sportscar .I stick my hands up and say I buy a Sportscar for Speed and in order to maximise the enjoyment the car has to handle well and inspire the confidence to exploit that handling . Its my belief that the SVR version in particular should have been stripped of all frippery and turned into a proper drivers car like a GT 911 instead sadly it was an opportunity missed .Very nice and all that, but could really feel the weight in it and whilst the noise was ok it actually grated on me after a while….
Have currently been looking at F-Types again but this time I’d be more than happy with a 400 Sport - don’t think I’d bother with the V8 again.
Carfolio lists the V6S as 1614kg and the V8S as 1665kg, so 51kg difference between them. Those are both for convertibles, coupes are 20kg lighter respectively. I'm guessing most of that difference between the V6 and V8 models is seen over the front end.
A 5.0 XKR Coupe is listed as 1753kg for the coupe and 1800kg for the convertible, for reference.
A 5.0 XKR Coupe is listed as 1753kg for the coupe and 1800kg for the convertible, for reference.
Its not a lot Niall in fact barely consequential . I had about a dozen test drives in various F Types before I bought my first the V8 R Coupe . I have to say that I dithered and dallied unable to make up my mind for what seemed like an eternity and looking back I should have probably just bought the SVR . It was certainly the highlight and frighteningly quick at least in a straight line . Passing an X150 XKR the other day I have to say its still a beautiful looking thing especially one thats well looked after and in a good colour . Easily as attractive as an E Type and aesthetically probably its rightful heir
Do we think this 'astonishing value' has anything to do with them finishing the F-type production?
I've been looking for 3 or 4 years and not taken the plunge yet - however, now petrol prices are coming back to normality I might start showing an interest again.
12 months ago I got very close but had a rather bad experience with a certain Jaguar Main Dealer:
I'm looking at V6s - and really want silver with red sports seats.. 15 plate - 1 owner - 18,500 miles for £38,500 (this was 12 months ago exactly for reference)
I thought that was 'top end / main dealer money'.
I made an offer - only to be told the next day 'Due to website traffic we have now repriced the car to reflect the interest at £42,000. Nice.
How about an R8 manual as an alternative to dealing with Sly Gammon?
I've been looking for 3 or 4 years and not taken the plunge yet - however, now petrol prices are coming back to normality I might start showing an interest again.
12 months ago I got very close but had a rather bad experience with a certain Jaguar Main Dealer:
I'm looking at V6s - and really want silver with red sports seats.. 15 plate - 1 owner - 18,500 miles for £38,500 (this was 12 months ago exactly for reference)
I thought that was 'top end / main dealer money'.
I made an offer - only to be told the next day 'Due to website traffic we have now repriced the car to reflect the interest at £42,000. Nice.
How about an R8 manual as an alternative to dealing with Sly Gammon?
Jaguar looking better value than a Porsche shocker 
The biggest issue with the F-type is the shocking quality of the rear subframe and the unwillingness of Jaguar to deal with it.
Whichever F-type you choose they are a very different car to a 911 so it’s not even worth making the comparison really.
Bottom line, buy what you like and enjoy what you have.
The biggest issue with the F-type is the shocking quality of the rear subframe and the unwillingness of Jaguar to deal with it.
Whichever F-type you choose they are a very different car to a 911 so it’s not even worth making the comparison really.
Bottom line, buy what you like and enjoy what you have.
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