F-Types - Astonishing Value!
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CantDecide said:
The only other thing that bothers me is the potential rust on the subframe/rear steel parts which isn’t great. Given the SVR and V8 I looked at were both 2017 models with less than 20,000 miles on the underneath wasn’t in great condition.
I have seen picture of some in a shocking state (I'm guessing no recalls / warranty claims / good will didn't cover replacements?)Some just look a bit unsightly - my thinking would be to clean it up waxoyl it anyway.. could the state on the underneath not be used as a bargaining too?
£500 has the sub frames permanently sorted. You should not have to get them sorted, but at least easy to do.
Regarding the noise, I will never tire of it. Comfy on long runs, coupe boot has a decent boot. It is a great GT car. It feels really special.
Comparing it to my 2005 BMW650, which had some bubbles under the paint on both doors and on the mounting point of the drivers door mirror. Also used to cringe every time I saw the rear diff, huge chunk of pig iron that shed cornflake size chunks of rust on the floor, not forgetting the oil stem seals, but it was a fantastic car.
Most cars have some issues, the F-type has a couple, but not too expensive to fix.
Cheers.
Regarding the noise, I will never tire of it. Comfy on long runs, coupe boot has a decent boot. It is a great GT car. It feels really special.
Comparing it to my 2005 BMW650, which had some bubbles under the paint on both doors and on the mounting point of the drivers door mirror. Also used to cringe every time I saw the rear diff, huge chunk of pig iron that shed cornflake size chunks of rust on the floor, not forgetting the oil stem seals, but it was a fantastic car.
Most cars have some issues, the F-type has a couple, but not too expensive to fix.
Cheers.
gf15 said:
£500 has the sub frames permanently sorted. You should not have to get them sorted, but at least easy to do.
Regarding the noise, I will never tire of it. Comfy on long runs, coupe boot has a decent boot. It is a great GT car. It feels really special.
Comparing it to my 2005 BMW650, which had some bubbles under the paint on both doors and on the mounting point of the drivers door mirror. Also used to cringe every time I saw the rear diff, huge chunk of pig iron that shed cornflake size chunks of rust on the floor, not forgetting the oil stem seals, but it was a fantastic car.
Most cars have some issues, the F-type has a couple, but not too expensive to fix.
Cheers.
That sounds encouraging, how and where can the sub frame be fixed for £500? If that takes care of the only real issue it really helps with decision making. Regarding the noise, I will never tire of it. Comfy on long runs, coupe boot has a decent boot. It is a great GT car. It feels really special.
Comparing it to my 2005 BMW650, which had some bubbles under the paint on both doors and on the mounting point of the drivers door mirror. Also used to cringe every time I saw the rear diff, huge chunk of pig iron that shed cornflake size chunks of rust on the floor, not forgetting the oil stem seals, but it was a fantastic car.
Most cars have some issues, the F-type has a couple, but not too expensive to fix.
Cheers.
Chamon_Lee said:
I think this link alludes to a point which the OP has brought up. Is the 911 better? I’d say sure it is but by how much? Personally it’s not much. The article is really nit picking at what’s better.
I’m the used car real world. A 911 4gts is almost 30-50k higher in price for an equivalent year, spec and mileage. Is the 911 a 30-50k better car. To most it just isn’t.
I think those are pretty accurate comments . I just got myself into a position where the finish of the Jaguar was beginning to grate on me . Things like that cheap slab of plastic on the centre console , the cheap plastic trim around the rear quarters and doors which begins to lift and a gearbox and driving position that doesn't inspire much confidence . In retrospect I view the F Type as a compromised GT rather than a Sportscar whereas you open up a 911 GTS handbook and there's a whole section on what you should do and what you require if you decide to race it on a track . Clearly two different types of Product . There is another facet to the debate and thats where do you put your money after an F Type if you are looking for a " step up " ? Aston Martin for me proved a disappointment and very quickly I found myself in the Porsche Showroom .I’m the used car real world. A 911 4gts is almost 30-50k higher in price for an equivalent year, spec and mileage. Is the 911 a 30-50k better car. To most it just isn’t.
Edited by Chamon_Lee on Friday 23 December 16:06
Venisonpie said:
That sounds encouraging, how and where can the sub frame be fixed for £500? If that takes care of the only real issue it really helps with decision making.
Its not really a question of fixing the sub frame as most wont even have showed up on an MOT advisory . Its more a question of preventative maintenance should you want to keep the car long term . Its my belief you wont get any reduction on price for these reasons . Judging by the Cars you have previously owned it would have to be an SVR for the ultimate F Type experience .Tidying the subframe is well within the remit of any competent mechanic which is the beauty of Jaguar maintenance as opposed to Porsche or any other Exoticar
reddiesel said:
Its not really a question of fixing the sub frame as most wont even have showed up on an MOT advisory . Its more a question of preventative maintenance should you want to keep the car long term . Its my belief you wont get any reduction on price for these reasons . Judging by the Cars you have previously owned it would have to be an SVR for the ultimate F Type experience .
Tidying the subframe is well within the remit of any competent mechanic which is the beauty of Jaguar maintenance as opposed to Porsche or any other Exoticar
Yup, agree SVR but prefer the non fixed spoiler? Also now looking at 2017 cars onwards, do you know when the ppf was added?Tidying the subframe is well within the remit of any competent mechanic which is the beauty of Jaguar maintenance as opposed to Porsche or any other Exoticar
As per previous post, would like a pano roof but otherwise not fussed about spec unless there's something that really enhances the car. Struggling to find any without black wheels but I guess this can be addressed.
Venisonpie said:
Yup, agree SVR but prefer the non fixed spoiler? Also now looking at 2017 cars onwards, do you know when the ppf was added?
As per previous post, would like a pano roof but otherwise not fussed about spec unless there's something that really enhances the car. Struggling to find any without black wheels but I guess this can be addressed.
I owned a 2019 SVR with the non fixed spoiler and by then the volume had been turned down considerably . The wheels were Coriolis in the Graphite finish and most if not all come with the Pano roof ( I havent come across a Coupe without it ) .As per previous post, would like a pano roof but otherwise not fussed about spec unless there's something that really enhances the car. Struggling to find any without black wheels but I guess this can be addressed.
Really interesting thread which I have read with interest. Some great views and points made, for and against. I therefore thought it worth throwing my hat into the ring. This is my first post.
I am currently in the market for a new toy. I sold my Porsche 718 Spyder (GT4) back in April which I had from new. That was my first Porsche. Previously I have owned two Morgan Aero 8's from new, an F Type V6S from new and many other roadsters over the years.
I am now considering either another 718 Spyder or an F Type R p575, both new. They are two very different cars. I have never considered a 911 for the simple reason, to me, they look like a frog!! ;-) They're not a good looking car - personal opinion I know.
The 718 Spyder is in my view the best drivers car I have ever driven. I have driven many a 911 and it surpasses them being mid engined. But....it feels sterile, clinical. As good a drivers car as Porsches are, in my view they all suffer with that. In part that could be the Germanic influence. It also does not look as good as a well spec'd F Type in profile.
The F Type is a true Brit, as were the Aero's and I'm sure as with TVR's (never owned one). A bit like James Bond really, handsome, classic lines, brutal when needs to be but can dress up nicely for the right event, exciting to the edge of dangerous at times, unpolitically correct and unashamed for it AND flawed in many ways. But we all love Bond don't we! (Ok, many do). Ask yourself why?
Because the F Type represents something the Germans simply don't understand. When something is refined and refined to almost perfection you can iron out some of those qualities that make something fun. Jaguar understand that. I was lucky enough to be invited to test drive all variants of the F Type prior to it's release on a proving ground. It still holds the same thrill today as it did all those years ago. The same cannot be said of the 911 (admitedly it's been around a lot longer).
Reading this thread has helped me make my mind up. The Porsche Spyder, as good as it is, always left me feeling as though I was missing something. The F Type never did.
I am currently in the market for a new toy. I sold my Porsche 718 Spyder (GT4) back in April which I had from new. That was my first Porsche. Previously I have owned two Morgan Aero 8's from new, an F Type V6S from new and many other roadsters over the years.
I am now considering either another 718 Spyder or an F Type R p575, both new. They are two very different cars. I have never considered a 911 for the simple reason, to me, they look like a frog!! ;-) They're not a good looking car - personal opinion I know.
The 718 Spyder is in my view the best drivers car I have ever driven. I have driven many a 911 and it surpasses them being mid engined. But....it feels sterile, clinical. As good a drivers car as Porsches are, in my view they all suffer with that. In part that could be the Germanic influence. It also does not look as good as a well spec'd F Type in profile.
The F Type is a true Brit, as were the Aero's and I'm sure as with TVR's (never owned one). A bit like James Bond really, handsome, classic lines, brutal when needs to be but can dress up nicely for the right event, exciting to the edge of dangerous at times, unpolitically correct and unashamed for it AND flawed in many ways. But we all love Bond don't we! (Ok, many do). Ask yourself why?
Because the F Type represents something the Germans simply don't understand. When something is refined and refined to almost perfection you can iron out some of those qualities that make something fun. Jaguar understand that. I was lucky enough to be invited to test drive all variants of the F Type prior to it's release on a proving ground. It still holds the same thrill today as it did all those years ago. The same cannot be said of the 911 (admitedly it's been around a lot longer).
Reading this thread has helped me make my mind up. The Porsche Spyder, as good as it is, always left me feeling as though I was missing something. The F Type never did.
An interesting Post Coot and probably the exact opposite to my own thoughts . I certainly understand your point regarding the aesthetics of the 911 especially historically , for me they were always challenging which is why I managed to avoid buying one till now . The 991 as I am sure you are aware is the longest 911 which has improved handling by slightly moving the rear engine towards the centre of the car as well as improving the overall appearance . I accept that this latter point for some may be a matter of opinion . I come from a long line of Jaguar Ownership and some aspects of this supposed " British Character " I was disappointed with and I have already tried to explain this in previous Posts . In short for me and I suspect a few others it isnt a Sports Car but more a compromised GT . It wont hold a candle to a 911 either through the curves or in future residuals and it certainly isnt as well finished . I would think carefully about buying a brand new model of what is now a discontinued Vehicle and dont be seduced by these " Special " limited Editions , history tells us they wont be worth any more further down the line when it comes to exit time .
Apologies to everyone reading for yet again talking Porsches on a Jaguar Forum , its just when you part with an SVR F Type a Porsche 911 almost becomes the default replacement . I did try the new Vantage which incidentally is already scheduled for replacement but sadly I was a bit disappointed .
Apologies to everyone reading for yet again talking Porsches on a Jaguar Forum , its just when you part with an SVR F Type a Porsche 911 almost becomes the default replacement . I did try the new Vantage which incidentally is already scheduled for replacement but sadly I was a bit disappointed .
And I am with thecoot…
Different things for different people, I have driven a lot of 911s and post air cooled they leave me cold whereas any of the f-types is more emotional a relationship for me.
I like the fact that it is a bit more GT than sports car and I chose the v6 on the basis that even that can take me through corners faster than is safe or legal should I want, so the ability to corner faster has no attraction - but a car that is a relaxing long distance car and can be driven as a sports car fits the brief exactly!
Different things for different people, I have driven a lot of 911s and post air cooled they leave me cold whereas any of the f-types is more emotional a relationship for me.
I like the fact that it is a bit more GT than sports car and I chose the v6 on the basis that even that can take me through corners faster than is safe or legal should I want, so the ability to corner faster has no attraction - but a car that is a relaxing long distance car and can be driven as a sports car fits the brief exactly!
akirk said:
And I am with thecoot…
Different things for different people, I have driven a lot of 911s and post air cooled they leave me cold whereas any of the f-types is more emotional a relationship for me.
I like the fact that it is a bit more GT than sports car and I chose the v6 on the basis that even that can take me through corners faster than is safe or legal should I want, so the ability to corner faster has no attraction - but a car that is a relaxing long distance car and can be driven as a sports car fits the brief exactly!
The v6s is the best of the bunch imo shame they dropped it with the facelift Different things for different people, I have driven a lot of 911s and post air cooled they leave me cold whereas any of the f-types is more emotional a relationship for me.
I like the fact that it is a bit more GT than sports car and I chose the v6 on the basis that even that can take me through corners faster than is safe or legal should I want, so the ability to corner faster has no attraction - but a car that is a relaxing long distance car and can be driven as a sports car fits the brief exactly!
Pistom said:
Can anyone comment on real world running costs?
Cheap cars are usually cheap for a reason.
I assume F Types are cheap as running them can be expensive.
Well it depends which one you have and what you include in “running costs” Cheap cars are usually cheap for a reason.
I assume F Types are cheap as running them can be expensive.
In terms of MPG they are on par with other 6 or 8 cylinder cars of a similar type, insurance is very personal but in general amongst people i know that have or have had them it’s again not dissimilar to other cars or that type. Dealer serving is cheaper than the likes of Porsche and Maserati etc but not massively so and there are plenty of independents. Most of the oily bits have been used on Jags for a long time
They are not “expensive to run” generally in my opinion. The reason they look more cost effective than say a 911 is due to demand, image perception, quality perception etc.
Owned 10 911s ,several boxsters ,gt4 etc etc and the wife currently has the 3.0 f type .
By any objective criteria the Porsches are better but the jag has a character almost non of the Porsches have b cause they are so clinical.
I tested a new vantage and whilst the drive was decent the interior was an utter mess and didn’t feel remotely special (I have owned older astons so again know what you should feel when you get in . without hesitation I would buy an (F) type over a new vantage (still have an old shape v12s manual over either one tbh)
If you want to drive very hard get a porsche ,if not get the jag .
By any objective criteria the Porsches are better but the jag has a character almost non of the Porsches have b cause they are so clinical.
I tested a new vantage and whilst the drive was decent the interior was an utter mess and didn’t feel remotely special (I have owned older astons so again know what you should feel when you get in . without hesitation I would buy an (F) type over a new vantage (still have an old shape v12s manual over either one tbh)
If you want to drive very hard get a porsche ,if not get the jag .
reddiesel said:
Pistom said:
Can anyone comment on real world running costs?
Cheap cars are usually cheap for a reason.
I assume F Types are cheap as running them can be expensive.
I think rather than being cheap they have simply followed their natural depreciation curve like all JaguarsCheap cars are usually cheap for a reason.
I assume F Types are cheap as running them can be expensive.
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