RE: Jaguar reveals new sports saloon
Discussion
cynic said:
Early 2008 for the launch I think, although I would expect official pics to be available around autumn. Check out the link for the first spy shots. No low roof and no hidden door handles......
Someone has said that those "spy shots" are actually pictures of the S-Type test mule and not the real thing.
You know what this design is growing on me the more angles I see it from, which probably means its the right sort of car for jag as cars whos looks grown on people tend to sell very well, look at the focus for example. But I think the only think causing a flaw now is the grill is not too big or the wrong shape (well mebbe the wrong shape for a jag) its just 2 inches too high up the front, drop it down so its peak is level with the lower inner bits of the lights and the car would look spot on. This is the best photo I've seen so far, it really does look better in it.
Could be, although if its just an S-Type mule, why cover up so much of the bodywork? A mule body is normally modified around the wheelarches and front end only. Given a launch in 2008, and normal Auto development timescales Jag will almost definitely have had the first prototypes running around for a couple of months by now, so it could be the real deal.
cynic said:
Could be, although if its just an S-Type mule, why cover up so much of the bodywork? A mule body is normally modified around the wheelarches and front end only. Given a launch in 2008, and normal Auto development timescales Jag will almost definitely have had the first prototypes running around for a couple of months by now, so it could be the real deal.
Look at the "chrispinkney" post from Saturday, it should be on this page.
Ford is the greatest car company in the world. Discuss.
I do have to say that having grown up looking down on Ford, their current 'personal' range is not at all bad. But most importantly, since buying some of the best remenants of our motor industry they achieved something that very few Americans have; an understanding of who and what we are and why people around the globe front up for some of our products.
Without this company I do believe that Land Rover, Aston and Jag would have gone or certainly not have blossomed.
When I first saw these pics I didn't realise they were for an S replacement, but thought they were for an XJ one. Discovering they were for the new S was a real milestone. I've allways hated the X and S type. Not because they were bad or ugly cars (they definately are not) but because I felt they were a shade too retro and that Jag were risking going the way of Rover (again, good cars but wrong for the modern market).
What Ford have achieved in Aston is unbelievable. What they have achieved with Land Rover is very impressive, and as a Jaguar fan, to see them finally come really good this is just fantastic.
I think we have all often looked down on Americans for lapping up certain aspects of English culture but never really understanding, but someone at Ford has managed to achieve both. I hope that he is suitably rewarded.
I do have to say that having grown up looking down on Ford, their current 'personal' range is not at all bad. But most importantly, since buying some of the best remenants of our motor industry they achieved something that very few Americans have; an understanding of who and what we are and why people around the globe front up for some of our products.
Without this company I do believe that Land Rover, Aston and Jag would have gone or certainly not have blossomed.
When I first saw these pics I didn't realise they were for an S replacement, but thought they were for an XJ one. Discovering they were for the new S was a real milestone. I've allways hated the X and S type. Not because they were bad or ugly cars (they definately are not) but because I felt they were a shade too retro and that Jag were risking going the way of Rover (again, good cars but wrong for the modern market).
What Ford have achieved in Aston is unbelievable. What they have achieved with Land Rover is very impressive, and as a Jaguar fan, to see them finally come really good this is just fantastic.
I think we have all often looked down on Americans for lapping up certain aspects of English culture but never really understanding, but someone at Ford has managed to achieve both. I hope that he is suitably rewarded.
Mattmeister said:
Biccaroo said:
Mattmeister said:
i knew this would happen, Jaguar finally produce a brave, stunning, forward looking design to replace the more traditional designs (that have been routinely slagged off for the last 10 years!) and someone accuses them of 'losing their identity' - surely any 'designer' worth his salt should be able to see the more subtle Jaguar influences within this admittedly very fresh design without having to have the obviousness of the oldxk/stype/xj Jaguar styling cues shoved in his face all over again? 
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....And which Jaguar styling cues are you referring to exactly? The chrome grill with the Jaguar badge slapped in the middle? The leaping cat on the rear? Or maybe the E-type influenced bonnet bulge? Please enlighten me. This is not a brave design. How is it brave? It’s a combination of contemporary mainstream styling, chrome and a set of revolting Hyundai inspired headlamps. There is nothing new or innovative about the exterior of this car at all.
Mattmeister said:
…without having to have the obviousness of the oldxk/stype/xj Jaguar styling cues shoved in his face all over again? ....
....So what you are saying then is that the E-type, C-type, XK120/140/150, Mk VIII, Mark 2, XKC, etc should be forgotten? Were their stunning looks too ‘obvious’ for you as you put it? Is it wrong of me to wish for Jaguar to build cars with looks inspired by such wonderful machinery instead of the slab-sided bulk we see before us today? I am not a big fan of the S-type, but I respect it all the same because it looks like a Jaguar.
Jaguar should not disregard their heritage. The C-XF does just that and I defy you to justify its styling to me.
well as you seem to have got excited enough about this to 'defy me'(what is this? the middle ages?
) i guess i should respond before you slap my cheek with a white glove and challenge me to pistols at dawn 
.....although it seems some people have beaten me to it... you yourself have answered your own question by mentioning the bonnet bulge and the grille which not only echoes the original XJ6 tapered rectangle shape and inset mesh but also the position of the badge in the upper centre...(i guess YOU would need it to have a chrome eggcrate and centre line to be 'recognisable'?) i could add to that the double curve over the twin headlamps (which hyundai are these inspired by? please enlighten me?), chrome rear 'signature' strip above the numberplate....i could go on but you obviously dont like the design so ill leave you to your opinion which you are of course entitled to- as i said before if everyone liked it it would have to be bland/inoffensive and i think Jaguar need to set some new trends not re-hash old ones...
You see, this is the problem. The XF is not fresh and it deosn't set any new trends. It's all been done before. Yes, I agree, it is a new direction for Jaguar (they are after all playing catch-up!), but it's certainly not a new direction for the automotive industry. The aesthetics present in the XF are evident in many much cheaper, more mundane production cars. Oh well, I guess that's progress for you...
Edited by Biccaroo on Thursday 25th January 15:30
Edited by Biccaroo on Thursday 25th January 15:31
you may be right (in your last post anyway 
) its not going to herald a new era of car design (!) but for me the fact it looks modern, subtly agressive, stylish and yet still Jaguar is enough....its amazing how big everyones expectations always are for such a (relatively) small company operating out of the west midlands, very difficult for Jaguar to live up to....
) its not going to herald a new era of car design (!) but for me the fact it looks modern, subtly agressive, stylish and yet still Jaguar is enough....its amazing how big everyones expectations always are for such a (relatively) small company operating out of the west midlands, very difficult for Jaguar to live up to.... Edited by Mattmeister on Thursday 25th January 15:31
Mattmeister said:
you may be right (in your last post anyway ) its not going to herald a new era of car design (!) but for me the fact it looks modern, subtly agressive, stylish and yet still Jaguar is enough....its amazing how big everyones expectations always are for such a (relatively) small company operating out of the west midlands, very difficult for Jaguar to live up to....
) its not going to herald a new era of car design (!) but for me the fact it looks modern, subtly agressive, stylish and yet still Jaguar is enough....its amazing how big everyones expectations always are for such a (relatively) small company operating out of the west midlands, very difficult for Jaguar to live up to.... Edited by Mattmeister on Thursday 25th January 15:31
Indeed. Well the majority of the public and the media certainly like it. Let's just hope it sells well so that Jaguar can continue to exist!
Biccaroo said:
You see, this is the problem. The XF is not fresh and it deosn't set any new trends. It's all been done before. Yes, I agree, it is a new direction for Jaguar (they are after all playing catch-up!), but it's certainly not a new direction for the automotive industry. The aesthetics present in the XF are evident in many much cheaper, more mundane production cars. Oh well, I guess that's progress for you...
Edited by Biccaroo on Thursday 25th January 15:30
Edited by Biccaroo on Thursday 25th January 15:31
Well I'm not sure when I last saw any new trends in automotive design. Not ones that are really new. Any suggestions?
a8hex said:
cynic said:
Early 2008 for the launch I think, although I would expect official pics to be available around autumn. Check out the link for the first spy shots. No low roof and no hidden door handles......
Someone has said that those "spy shots" are actually pictures of the S-Type test mule and not the real thing.
Had it confirmed that these pics are not a mule, they are the new XF with camo on. Take a look at the bottom of the door and you'll see the tapering wedge from the concept. (Apparently with the camo off it looks fantastic!)
I think Jaguar are late to market with this shape which is very, very like the latest BMW and Mercedes.
When will Jaguar just BE Jaguar and give the world a "Pace Grace and Space" car that blows everyone's skirt up
without looking like it was designed - and then talked all the way out of it's design by Ford executives ?
When will Jaguar just BE Jaguar and give the world a "Pace Grace and Space" car that blows everyone's skirt up
without looking like it was designed - and then talked all the way out of it's design by Ford executives ?
Big Giant Head said:
I think Jaguar are late to market with this shape which is very, very like the latest BMW and Mercedes.
When will Jaguar just BE Jaguar and give the world a "Pace Grace and Space" car that blows everyone's skirt up
without looking like it was designed - and then talked all the way out of it's design by Ford executives ?
When will Jaguar just BE Jaguar and give the world a "Pace Grace and Space" car that blows everyone's skirt up
without looking like it was designed - and then talked all the way out of it's design by Ford executives ?
Not sure they will, as the last 15 years have removed any 'Jaguar' from the design team, and replaced it with Ford corporate bods trying to 'do' a Jaguar.
Jag always used to be about cutting-edge and inventive design, and the only Brit manufacturers doing that recently are TVR and maybe Lotus (not even Aston Martin - there Callum found one general shape that worked and evolved it bit-by-bit). Can't see that returning as Jag's current core customer-base won't want radical designs, and the Ford bosses won't want to take huge chances.
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