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Ig,
Ta. I knew there difference between the cars but not which "mk" is which. Its this whole Mk1 bigger bumper thing that throughs me out. Looks like a mk 2 to me.
Its more a case of never having shown any interest in VW's though.
I mentioned to my local VW shop about changing the suspension and they said it wouldnt make any difference due to the fact that my TDi GL is just a heavy lardy arsed slag bucket naturally.
However, this suspension you talk about may help me along a certain B road that takes me half along my daily commute. I already beat everything else along it and had an M3 pull up along side me at the end to tell me "that was brilliant" as he held his belly laughing. I assume the laughs were at the angle of my car on some of the corners!
I dont think that the suspension will increase the fun factor or the speed of the car but I do believe it will stop me from spilling my tea, or guts, on the morning run.
Note: For this post your email address certainly applies!
So then, looks like scrapping the expensive resin
door-wedge tart mobile mods and going for the lardy commuter car chip and susp mods since its cheaper.
Wonder what the insurers will say?
Foxtrot Oscar probably.
Ta. I knew there difference between the cars but not which "mk" is which. Its this whole Mk1 bigger bumper thing that throughs me out. Looks like a mk 2 to me.
Its more a case of never having shown any interest in VW's though.
I mentioned to my local VW shop about changing the suspension and they said it wouldnt make any difference due to the fact that my TDi GL is just a heavy lardy arsed slag bucket naturally.
However, this suspension you talk about may help me along a certain B road that takes me half along my daily commute. I already beat everything else along it and had an M3 pull up along side me at the end to tell me "that was brilliant" as he held his belly laughing. I assume the laughs were at the angle of my car on some of the corners!
I dont think that the suspension will increase the fun factor or the speed of the car but I do believe it will stop me from spilling my tea, or guts, on the morning run.
Note: For this post your email address certainly applies!
So then, looks like scrapping the expensive resin
door-wedge tart mobile mods and going for the lardy commuter car chip and susp mods since its cheaper.
Wonder what the insurers will say?
Foxtrot Oscar probably.
mk3 is certainly not that great in the suspension department. ARBs make a world of difference, if you drive quick enough. On my Ibiza I have a G60/Ibiza 1.8T front bar and a Golf2/Corrado 25 adj rear bar strapped externally to the Polo4 based rear beam. Much more neutral, will understeer under throttle naturally but steady throttle will drift all together, lift off will bring rear round.
kingr seven said:
If you want something thats fun to drive, you're not going to buy a polo or fabia or any front engined frontwheel drive car. You buy a sports car, not a hatch.
Why were the Pug 205 GTi, Renault Clio Williams, 172, cup, Mini Cooper S and so on ever created then?
I think you're pigeonholing things rather too much. There's a significant body of (largely young people) who can't afford to insure or run a genuine sports car, less still the luxury of having a commuting car and a fun car, but still want something that they can drive to work in and still have a bit of fun taking the long way home. Why should VW not cater for this group?
I suppose my prinicple objection to the car is not the fact that it has a diesel engine, or even the it's the top of the range, more that the GT tag is plainly trying to impart a sporty image to the car that it simply doesn't have. Clearly this car does have merits - I have no doubt that it would prove reliable, it would seem fuel economical (if not economical in terms of purchase price, I'm confident depreciation will be very favourable though) and if your sporting aspirations are little more than an automotive equivalent of tiddley-winks, it will prove very suitable.
Perhaps this is merely fallout from the VAG prestige/sport split and I should simply disregard VW and Skoda until such time as I want a dull but reliable car.
Kingr
I thought "GT" stood for "Grand Tourisme". If so, then it is probably a reasonable badge for this car – if you are going "touring" in a polo I’d certainly prefer to do it in the one with the biggest, torquest engine
What you say makes a lot of sense – think we’re not actually disagreeing
. If you want a sporty car, you don’t buy a polo – irrespective of what engine its got. 02p etc.
Rob
rob.e said:
rob.e said:
If you want something thats fun to drive, you're not going to buy a polo or fabia or any front engined frontwheel drive car. You buy a sports car, not a hatch.
Why were the Pug 205 GTi, Renault Clio Williams, 172, cup, Mini Cooper S and so on ever created then?
I think you're pigeonholing things rather too much. There's a significant body of (largely young people) who can't afford to insure or run a genuine sports car, less still the luxury of having a commuting car and a fun car, but still want something that they can drive to work in and still have a bit of fun taking the long way home. Why should VW not cater for this group?
I suppose my prinicple objection to the car is not the fact that it has a diesel engine, or even the it's the top of the range, more that the GT tag is plainly trying to impart a sporty image to the car that it simply doesn't have. Clearly this car does have merits - I have no doubt that it would prove reliable, it would seem fuel economical (if not economical in terms of purchase price, I'm confident depreciation will be very favourable though) and if your sporting aspirations are little more than an automotive equivalent of tiddley-winks, it will prove very suitable.
Perhaps this is merely fallout from the VAG prestige/sport split and I should simply disregard VW and Skoda until such time as I want a dull but reliable car.
Kingr
I thought "GT" stood for "Grand Tourisme". If so, then it is probably a reasonable badge for this car – if you are going "touring" in a polo I’d certainly prefer to do it in the one with the biggest, torquest engine
What you say makes a lot of sense – think we’re not actually disagreeing
02p etc.
Rob
For what it's worth the new Polo/Fabia/Ibiza chassis is supposed to be very good for what it is. You can still have a sporty front drive hatch
DustyC said:
Ig,
Ta. I knew there difference between the cars but not which "mk" is which. Its this whole Mk1 bigger bumper thing that throughs me out. Looks like a mk 2 to me.
Its more a case of never having shown any interest in VW's though.
I mentioned to my local VW shop about changing the suspension and they said it wouldnt make any difference due to the fact that my TDi GL is just a heavy lardy arsed slag bucket naturally.
Err your garage are talking out of there arse im afraid.
The Mk3 may have put on a few KGs over Mk2's but gti figs - 1080kg & GL Td the same- your later td might be few kg more but not much. VR6 was 150kg more & belive me that needs a suspension kit or its like trying to drive a water bed. An R32 tips the scales at almost 1500kg yet handles beautifuly.
To complete yr Golf education-
Mk1-
All mk1 had small bumpers as standard (in UK) except the later Mk1 cabs (ther were no mk2 cabs by VW) which had a big bumper type kit, which some owners then fit to normal Mk1s, to confuse matters South African later Mk1 Golfs (citi golf) came with big bumper kit on tho.
Mk2 small bumper- (early mk2 have quarter light front window & mirror not at front of door)
Mk2 big bumper- (post '90 as standard athough many small bumper cars have been retro fitted with bigs, a big bumper car =its not just the different bumpers- the side molding are different too, some retro fit cars dont do this tho)-
OK now next week class- we shall focus on the LHD special editions
>> Edited by iguana on Wednesday 14th July 14:19
iguana said:
OK now next week class- we shall focus on the LHD special editions
Volkswizard have got a couple of interesting LHD special editions in at the moment
[url]www.volkswizard.co.uk[/url]
And incidentally does anyone know why I get the [URL] bit showing when I try and post a link
Thats too confusing for me since there are 2 cars in this picture! 
Is the large amount of lift off oversteer obtainable on all the MK3's or do I have problems?
When I first got it I drove it like my XR3i (yeah, thats right. If you dont belive me check my profile. Im no Dokic!) and suddenly found myself steering the wrong way to get round a slippery roundabout.....
....which was nice.
Is the large amount of lift off oversteer obtainable on all the MK3's or do I have problems?
When I first got it I drove it like my XR3i (yeah, thats right. If you dont belive me check my profile. Im no Dokic!) and suddenly found myself steering the wrong way to get round a slippery roundabout.....
....which was nice.
DustyC said:
Thats too confusing for me since there are 2 cars in this picture!
Is the large amount of lift off oversteer obtainable on all the MK3's or do I have problems?
When I first got it I drove it like my XR3i (yeah, thats right. If you dont belive me check my profile. Im no Dokic!) and suddenly found myself steering the wrong way to get round a slippery roundabout.....
....which was nice.
That's probably more to do with the soft suspension and subsequent weight transfer.
nice idea, wish we had more diesel engines over here in Australia, that polo seems like my (almost) perfect car: Small, powerful and fuel efficient. Only thing is I heard the polo is a pretty ordinary thing to drive - chassis wise. Is it better than a getz? I'm only 17 and still a learner, but my mums getz isn't too bad, just needs tighter suspension and it'd be fine - I've heard VW's at current have fairly ordinary levels of suspension tuning though...
Australia seems to Hyundai a lot more than the UK.
I believe you have been brainwashed!
Diesels are required in cars here due to the high cost of our fuel.
Todays price for a litre of unleaded is AUS$2.08
(Thats going on todays exchange rate too).
Diesel prices are about the same but the cars more economical.
Feel lucky that you have such cheap fuel and go out and abuse it withw nice big Falcon XR8 or Commodore HSV.
(Id go for the Maloo everytime).
Edited: Sorry, got a bit carried away there!
When I was in Aus we borrowed a Pulsar S (or SS) which seemed economical and nippy. Was a petrol though.
>> Edited by DustyC on Thursday 15th July 08:34
I believe you have been brainwashed!
Diesels are required in cars here due to the high cost of our fuel.
Todays price for a litre of unleaded is AUS$2.08
(Thats going on todays exchange rate too).
Diesel prices are about the same but the cars more economical.
Feel lucky that you have such cheap fuel and go out and abuse it withw nice big Falcon XR8 or Commodore HSV.
(Id go for the Maloo everytime
). Edited: Sorry, got a bit carried away there!
When I was in Aus we borrowed a Pulsar S (or SS) which seemed economical and nippy. Was a petrol though.
>> Edited by DustyC on Thursday 15th July 08:34
my mk3 golf handles like a go kart, I dont know what suspension is on it, but its dead standard everywhere else.
just had a new shock fitted, and it made no difference, not a performance shock or anything??
maybe I just got a good one...
as for "would you have a diesel lotus.."
err, where have you been, thats exactly what lotus are working on...
as for the polo-- I like it. one for this missus, and for me to tow the bikes with..
just had a new shock fitted, and it made no difference, not a performance shock or anything??
maybe I just got a good one...
as for "would you have a diesel lotus.."
err, where have you been, thats exactly what lotus are working on...
as for the polo-- I like it. one for this missus, and for me to tow the bikes with..
Yeh OZ doesnt have much in the way of diesel cars but petrol is dirt cheap anyway. They are into LPG in a massive way, far cheaper than petrol- esp on west coast, east coast bit more pricey but still cheaper than petrol.
HSVs etc may be cheap but a more Nazi country for driving fast I have never ever experienced, quite simply you can forget ever speeding on main highways- (unless in the derestricted NT) a speed cop with his camera can be lurking somewhere that is about 3 hours from the nearest town.
Thankfully they seem to leave the twsity b road type roads alone or I would have actually gone insane!
HSVs etc may be cheap but a more Nazi country for driving fast I have never ever experienced, quite simply you can forget ever speeding on main highways- (unless in the derestricted NT) a speed cop with his camera can be lurking somewhere that is about 3 hours from the nearest town.
Thankfully they seem to leave the twsity b road type roads alone or I would have actually gone insane!
iguana said:
HSVs etc may be cheap but a more Nazi country for driving fast I have never ever experienced, quite simply you can forget ever speeding on main highways- (unless in the derestricted NT) a speed cop with his camera can be lurking somewhere that is about 3 hours from the nearest town.
Thankfully they seem to leave the twsity b road type roads alone or I would have actually gone insane!
Never had a problem with that in Aus and noticed they had good signs in Sydney "SPEED CAMERA 200 YARDS AHEAD".
Then again breaking the speed limit was a challenge in the things I was driving!
LPG was about 40c. Thats almost free!
edc said:
Is the large amount of lift off oversteer obtainable on all the MK3's or do I have problems?
When I first got it I drove it like my XR3i (yeah, thats right. If you dont belive me check my profile. Im no Dokic!) and suddenly found myself steering the wrong way to get round a slippery roundabout.....
....which was nice.
That's probably more to do with the soft suspension and subsequent weight transfer.
Yip soft suspension & skinny rubber plus im not sure if the non GTi VR6's had any ARBs as standard.
But IMHO all Golfs with a beam axle will lift off oversteer if you prevoke it, (tho never had it with later Mk4 golfs or Cupra R's tho) I had a VR6 with boggo water bed suspension & cack quality rubber on 17 inch rims & that did it, but it wasnt that plesant when it did go I must say, its more contolable on skinny rubber
However im quite thankfull that even with bigger ARBs & 1.5 deg neg camber & decent suspension I can get the arse to swing a bit on my Mk2 if I majorly lift off mid tight bend, tip on the power again & it will tuck back in & take a line thats tighter than Kylies hotpants
lovely jubbly. But dusty if you want FWD lift off oversteer, you've realy got to try a pug 205gGTi!
In Spain last year had a brand new Corsa 1.2.
On those slippery mountain roads it was great fun although Im sure others would say it was bloody useless and dangerous. Lift of the gas and the back would come round when even not really going for it.
As you may well know a rental car is always the fastest car!
For RWD oversteer though the best I have driven is a MK2 escort withthe rear diff welded up (ie, solid axle).
Driving it on grass it was not possible to do one donut, only several!
Those Caterhams for the slalom driving were fun too.
On those slippery mountain roads it was great fun although Im sure others would say it was bloody useless and dangerous. Lift of the gas and the back would come round when even not really going for it.
As you may well know a rental car is always the fastest car!
For RWD oversteer though the best I have driven is a MK2 escort withthe rear diff welded up (ie, solid axle).
Driving it on grass it was not possible to do one donut, only several!
Those Caterhams for the slalom driving were fun too.
rob.e said:
Any recommendations on suppliers for this eibach kit iguana?
cheers
Rob
I've bought direct from Eibach UK, but twas via the trade. Think the usual VW specialists ie TSR C&R etc may stock the full kit as they defo do just the springs, but I'll try & get a number for Eibach for you & see if they will sell to retail.
iguana said:
Any recommendations on suppliers for this eibach kit iguana?
cheers
Rob
I've bought direct from Eibach UK, but twas via the trade. Think the usual VW specialists ie TSR C&R etc may stock the full kit as they defo do just the springs, but I'll try & get a number for Eibach for you & see if they will sell to retail.
cheers. thanks.
Rob
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