RE: Audi to head off Imprezas and Evos
Discussion
I belieev the Swedish haldex system works with a Transverse engine installation - which of course cars this small almost exclusively have.
Audi's real quattro system is designed for a longitudinal engine installation.
Quiz: which other new car uses the Haldex 4wd system?
Russ
'86 190E, '62 Elan
Audi's real quattro system is designed for a longitudinal engine installation.
Quiz: which other new car uses the Haldex 4wd system?
Russ
'86 190E, '62 Elan
Sorry to say this but the odds are that this super Audi will be very little more than a stiffer R32- and indeed I seriously doubt Audi would devote the effort or money to actually making the shell 80 percent stiffer- that is simply very hard to believe. And importantly Audi, without doubt, will stay with the barely better than front-drive Haldex garbage. There is no way the Haldex can be modified to true high performance driving- its not possible! And last, Evo editors when comparing a Audi rs6 to a fat Cayanne remarked on how difficult a time the audi had just to keep up with the Porsche, let alone that the Porsche offered a much better feel for the road- that from a frigging SUV!! (and indeed the Audi Rs6 in question was a long term car which they had intimate knowledgable of) Bottom line is that Audi, right since they finished the Urquattro, have made nothing but average if competent, shi&%4y performance cars not worthy of any demanding roads. The odds of them ever getting there act together are somewhere between super slim and extremely slim. Drivers, please don't get your hopes too high I'd place your hopes in another manufacturer.
jeremy4069 said:
Drivers, please don't get your hopes too high I'd place your hopes in another manufacturer.
But I can't think of another manufacturer offering the same blend of performance, traction/grip in all weathers, quality, in such an attractive package.
Audi handling always gets dragged through the mire - it's not that bad - they're front heavy, use it to your advantage.
yertis said:
Drivers, please don't get your hopes too high I'd place your hopes in another manufacturer.
But I can't think of another manufacturer offering the same blend of performance, traction/grip in all weathers, quality, in such an attractive package.
Audi handling always gets dragged through the mire - it's not that bad - they're front heavy, use it to your advantage.
Like SEAT or Skoda you mean? Their 4x4s have been available on the continent in V6 and 1.8T guise for a while, based on the now old mk4 Golf platform. I'm told they won't be allowed use of FSI, although I bet it will filter down, so throw that 4-5k of the £1000s saving over an Audi and you can then have a 1.8T with >400bhp.
Actually Haldex themselves list:
- Volkswagen Golf 4motion
- Volkswagen Bora 4motion
- Volkswagen Beetle Rsi
- Volkswagen Sharan
- Audi A3/S3 Quattro
- Audi TT Quattro
- Skoda Octavia 4x4
- Seat León
- Seat Alhambra
- Volvo S60 AWD
- Volvo S60R AWD
- Volvo V70 AWD
- Volvo V70R AWD
- Volvo XC 70
- Volvo XC 70R
- Volvo XC 90
- Volvo S80 AWD
- Bugatti Veyron
- Volkswagen Golf 4motion
- Volkswagen Bora 4motion
- Volkswagen Beetle Rsi
- Volkswagen Sharan
- Audi A3/S3 Quattro
- Audi TT Quattro
- Skoda Octavia 4x4
- Seat León
- Seat Alhambra
- Volvo S60 AWD
- Volvo S60R AWD
- Volvo V70 AWD
- Volvo V70R AWD
- Volvo XC 70
- Volvo XC 70R
- Volvo XC 90
- Volvo S80 AWD
- Bugatti Veyron
jeremy4069 said:
And importantly Audi, without doubt, will stay with the barely better than front-drive Haldex garbage. There is no way the Haldex can be modified to true high performance driving- its not possible!
utter, unmitigated drivel.
just because you may not understand how it is possible, does not make it so.
edc said:
jeremy4069 said:
Drivers, please don't get your hopes too high I'd place your hopes in another manufacturer.
But I can't think of another manufacturer offering the same blend of performance, traction/grip in all weathers, quality, in such an attractive package.
Audi handling always gets dragged through the mire - it's not that bad - they're front heavy, use it to your advantage.
Like SEAT or Skoda you mean? Their 4x4s have been available on the continent in V6 and 1.8T guise for a while, based on the now old mk4 Golf platform. I'm told they won't be allowed use of FSI, although I bet it will filter down, so throw that 4-5k of the £1000s saving over an Audi and you can then have a 1.8T with >400bhp.
'Audi A3' and 'attractive'
Er no. If i wanted the build quality of an Audi the Eurobox of choice from the same family would be the SEAT. Then, as said above, spend the cash on the car or on
edc said:
Actually Haldex themselves list:
- Volkswagen Golf 4motion
- Volkswagen Bora 4motion
- Volkswagen Beetle Rsi
- Volkswagen Sharan
- Audi A3/S3 Quattro
- Audi TT Quattro
- Skoda Octavia 4x4
- Seat León
- Seat Alhambra
- Volvo S60 AWD
- Volvo S60R AWD
- Volvo V70 AWD
- Volvo V70R AWD
- Volvo XC 70
- Volvo XC 70R
- Volvo XC 90
- Volvo S80 AWD
- Bugatti Veyron
Just thought i'd repeat it for those who like me read Volkswagon and promptly
Woke up in time for Bugatti.
Fat Audi 80 said:
"- and an upgraded 4WD system"
Surely they mean downgraded to a proper TorSen setup rather than this haldex shite that they keep slapping quattro badges on these days.
[smug] like the one in my S2 [/smug]
I was thinking just a couple of days ago we didn't seem to have any S2s around - now we have
I stand corrected... agent006 said:
utter, unmitigated drivel.
just because you may not understand how it is possible, does not make it so.
Whatever it is, it's inferior to the torsen setup it seems to be replacing.
inferior, based on what?
given that Haldex is an active rather than passive system (like Torsen), the ultimate incarnation of a Haldex system could give far better vehicle dynamic behaviour than Torsen.
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