The Golf R lease thread

[D4SH]

How good were the deals before and is there any likelihood of good deals coming up again in the next few months? Have been offered the 5d manual 8k miles, 9+23 for £2746 + £305 pm. I'm really tempted to go for one but don't want to overpay and/or see some more blinding deals come out in the next few months!

[andrewparker]

D4SH said:

How good were the deals before and is there any likelihood of good deals coming up again in the next few months? Have been offered the 5d manual 8k miles, 9+23 for £2746 + £305 pm. I'm really tempted to go for one but don't want to overpay and/or see some more blinding deals come out in the next few months!

There hasn't been a decent deal on the hatch for sometime, as far as I'm aware. This quarter saw some good estate deals, circa £6800 for a standard car.

Your deal looks pretty average to be honest. My current manual hatch with metallic paint is costing £286pm on a 3+23 schedule, and I consider that to be fairly ordinary.

I'd personally wait until 1st October if you can.

[D4SH]

That's all I need to know. Thanks, Andrew!

[w8pmc]

D4SH said:

How good were the deals before and is there any likelihood of good deals coming up again in the next few months? Have been offered the 5d manual 8k miles, 9+23 for £2746 + £305 pm. I'm really tempted to go for one but don't want to overpay and/or see some more blinding deals come out in the next few months!

The only deals i'm fully aware of were also on the Estate, about 7-8 weeks ago & i think these were about £10-15 a month less than i'm paying.

Most current deals are back over £400 a month which was why i felt i'd done well getting £274 last week for an October car (was just lucky).

A few months earlier & also in 2016 i believe (however they were 7.0 hatchbacks) when deals were available, i recall the net price being just under £200 per month (so close to £240 all in) but they were 9 in advance, on the older model & the hatchback is a couple of grand cheaper. I'm sure i didn't see or hear of all the deals around so cold have been others.

Try UChoose as they still had availability last week.

[ashleyman]

The original deals were all bog standard manual cars with 0 options and free paint. The car was also cheaper back in 2014.

Since then there's been 2 price hikes and a facelift.

You can't exactly expect to pay £189 a month on a £29k car as back then it was a £26k car. Every £1000 on list is roughly a maximum of an extra £30 a month.

If you can get an DSG R for sub £300. IT IS A DEAL.

[Darrennavitas]

Haytch said:

I think you just took mine. I ordered it Friday but went to manual underwriting. Just approved but the last Golf just went!

Sorry !! I thought it was typical salesman patter when they said we've only got two left so you need to make a decision! He then emailed me to say he was leaving the office so had reserved it for me as they were then down to one!

I'll take good care of it :-)

[Haytch]

Darrennavitas said:

Haytch said:

I think you just took mine. I ordered it Friday but went to manual underwriting. Just approved but the last Golf just went!

Sorry !! I thought it was typical salesman patter when they said we've only got two left so you need to make a decision! He then emailed me to say he was leaving the office so had reserved it for me as they were then down to one!

I'll take good care of it :-)

Haha enjoy it mate!

Think I've just landed myself a GTI... it's no R but the Mrs is a little bit happier now ;-)

[Nano2nd]

looking at a 3 door DSG R at the mo, best i can find on CHAL is in stock - £363 over 3 years that with the 9 amortised, how does that sound? certainly cheaper than a new one... if it was 2 years i'd do it, however not sure i can have the same car for 3 years lol

i've not had much joy with CHAL though on in stock cars... seems they list cheap deals that don't exist (was trying to get a Sirocco R a few weeks back)

[CAR7]

the Uchoose deal has gone back up to around the current going rate http://uchoosecontracts.co.uk/personal/volkswagen-...

[DuncB7]

Having been semi-interested in a Golf R at some point in the not so distant future, I thought I'd best try one.

Spotted one for sale locally at an independent garage; 10k miles, manual so off I went.

First spotted front tyres; evidence of very hard cornering. Not unusual I thought. A bit of cigarette ash inside, ach, I'll give it a chance.

Offered test drive. Within 2 miles of the garage, I did a 2nd gear pull to the red line. Into 3rd and off the clutch, immediately hit the limiter with no drive - clutch slipping.

Once onto slower roads, very noticeable 'dead' point in the steering at very nearly the straight ahead position. Almost 1/2 degrees of backlash in the steering wheel.

So my question, this can't be normal, can it? These must be seriously abused cars when leased and I've not heard anyone complaining of such after just 10k miles. Left feeling a bit confused and unable to make my mind up about the Golf R as a whole.

[vindaloo79]

My cancelled Golf R lease estate is up for grabs

I have managed to get approval to pass on my lease order to someone else should I be able to find a someone wishing to take over the deal. Please see new thread below if interested. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Works out at approximately 3+23 at £290.40 for a delivery the end of september/early october via JCT600 Wakefield

[gazza5]

Just a check in for current lease holders with there R's - how you finding it?

I'm up to 3800 miles (had car since 7th June). Few long trips down to cornwall etc. Average mpg to date 37.09.

Total fuel used 492 litres at cost of £563.

Did use 99 Ron fuel for a little bit, last three tanks have been 95 ron mainly due to long trips just sitting on the motorway (covered just over 1000 miles in last month on motorway alone!).

So far enjoying it, few little niggles, not overly impressed with build quality, few rattles here and there (this is my first premium car owned).

Overall not sure if I would bother with a car with this sort of performance in the future, its very fast, but in the same way a bit dull as just a small amoutn of accelerator and you are doing silly speeds, 70 comes round very quick joining a motorway. Think I would be better off with a gti personally, although enjoying the estate space, has proved very handy.

[Lucas Ayde]

w8pmc said:

Never really looked into GAP as feel it's borderline PPI. Any half decent Insurance company would pay fair market value for the car, so why that would be less than the balance outstanding on any finance agreement i don't see, unless the purchaser put zero deposit into the deal. Can understand more for cars going up in value, but most Insurers also offer this within a policy.

Saying all that, NFU offer 2yrs new for old so as long as i'm with them & i don't keep a car longer than 2 years i get better than GAP for free.

IIRC insurance will compensate you for the price you would have got if you SOLD the car (and will try to get away with paying as little as it can).

This will almost certainly be less than the outstanding finance at the time as the depreciation curve on new cars is steep. especially in year 1 and 2.

GAP insurance isn't particularly expensive, think I paid something like £60 for 4 years on my R (not financed, bought the car outright but want to get full new price back if it's ever written off).

[marcosgt]

gazza5 said:

Just a check in for current lease holders with there R's - how you finding it?

I'm up to 3800 miles (had car since 7th June). Few long trips down to cornwall etc. Average mpg to date 37.09.

Total fuel used 492 litres at cost of £563.

Did use 99 Ron fuel for a little bit, last three tanks have been 95 ron mainly due to long trips just sitting on the motorway (covered just over 1000 miles in last month on motorway alone!).

So far enjoying it, few little niggles, not overly impressed with build quality, few rattles here and there (this is my first premium car owned).

Overall not sure if I would bother with a car with this sort of performance in the future, its very fast, but in the same way a bit dull as just a small amoutn of accelerator and you are doing silly speeds, 70 comes round very quick joining a motorway. Think I would be better off with a gti personally, although enjoying the estate space, has proved very handy.

Got mine two days before you, done about 1000 miles less (one long trip to Cornwall and some middling length ones to Dorset, with plenty of short journies).

Love the space and the hatch for dive trips, no quibbles on the quality of mine yet, performance is a bit eye-opening at times, but I'd agree, there are very few chances to enjoy it to anything like the full.

Doesn't really engage me like my RX8 did, but it's a nice enough way to travel.

I find myself trying to set records for MPG on most trips as most seem to be on motorways and A-roads where I'd need to be in 3 figures to really enjoy the car's capabilities. Best for a trip is 40.3 so far (a trip of about 45 miles to Southampton on quiet Saturday when I set off early for a course expecting lots of (non-existent) holiday traffic, so just eased off and relaxed rather than arrive an hour early!)

No idea how much fuel I've used, but it's a lot less than I would've used in my Mazda!

Certainly don't wish I'd got a GTi instead, but I would have preferred a manual box.

M

[andrewparker]

DuncB7 said:

Having been semi-interested in a Golf R at some point in the not so distant future, I thought I'd best try one.

Spotted one for sale locally at an independent garage; 10k miles, manual so off I went.

First spotted front tyres; evidence of very hard cornering. Not unusual I thought. A bit of cigarette ash inside, ach, I'll give it a chance.

Offered test drive. Within 2 miles of the garage, I did a 2nd gear pull to the red line. Into 3rd and off the clutch, immediately hit the limiter with no drive - clutch slipping.

Once onto slower roads, very noticeable 'dead' point in the steering at very nearly the straight ahead position. Almost 1/2 degrees of backlash in the steering wheel.

So my question, this can't be normal, can it? These must be seriously abused cars when leased and I've not heard anyone complaining of such after just 10k miles. Left feeling a bit confused and unable to make my mind up about the Golf R as a whole.

Do you know the car you drove was leased in it's former life?

To be honest, it just sounds like you've experienced a bad example of the car, which may or may not have been leased.

My leased manual R will be returned in December, and like all the cars I've leased it will make a great secondhand buy for someone. I look after it like it's my own, it's rarely driven hard, has a full detail twice a year and drinks only V-Power. I know numerous people who treat their leased vehicles in exactly the same way.

I also know many people who abuse the cars they own, so I think jumping to the conclusion that all leased cars suffer a hard life isn't particularly accurate.

[TomScrut]

andrewparker said:

Do you know the car you drove was leased in it's former life?

To be honest, it just sounds like you've experienced a bad example of the car, which may or may not have been leased.

My leased manual R will be returned in December, and like all the cars I've leased it will make a great secondhand buy for someone. I look after it like it's my own, it's rarely driven hard, has a full detail twice a year and drinks only V-Power. I know numerous people who treat their leased vehicles in exactly the same way.

I also know many people who abuse the cars they own, so I think jumping to the conclusion that all leased cars suffer a hard life isn't particularly accurate.

Yes, I don't understand this theory that a leased car is beaten to within an inch of its life by its driver. Its not like its a rental car that people may hire for a day to have a bit of fun in and thus any wear and tear isn't directly down to them (and therefore cannot be charged for it).

[w8pmc]

Lucas Ayde said:

IIRC insurance will compensate you for the price you would have got if you SOLD the car (and will try to get away with paying as little as it can).

This will almost certainly be less than the outstanding finance at the time as the depreciation curve on new cars is steep. especially in year 1 and 2.

GAP insurance isn't particularly expensive, think I paid something like £60 for 4 years on my R (not financed, bought the car outright but want to get full new price back if it's ever written off).

Correct, the cars value at the time of the total loss. Only a fool would accept a less than desirable Insurance companies first offer & with a few minutes of investigation could prove the 'true' value of the car & request that as the payout/settlement.

Most Insurers offer new for old for the first 12mths so that eliminates the need for GAP over the first year, NFU offer the same for 2 years, so again removes the need for GAP for 2 years.

At £60 for 4 years (that's a very very cheap policy) it could be worth it, but most 'Return to Invoice' policies are considerably more expensive than £60.

[TomScrut]

Lucas Ayde said:

w8pmc said:

Never really looked into GAP as feel it's borderline PPI. Any half decent Insurance company would pay fair market value for the car, so why that would be less than the balance outstanding on any finance agreement i don't see, unless the purchaser put zero deposit into the deal. Can understand more for cars going up in value, but most Insurers also offer this within a policy.

Saying all that, NFU offer 2yrs new for old so as long as i'm with them & i don't keep a car longer than 2 years i get better than GAP for free.

IIRC insurance will compensate you for the price you would have got if you SOLD the car (and will try to get away with paying as little as it can).

This will almost certainly be less than the outstanding finance at the time as the depreciation curve on new cars is steep. especially in year 1 and 2.

GAP insurance isn't particularly expensive, think I paid something like £60 for 4 years on my R (not financed, bought the car outright but want to get full new price back if it's ever written off).

w8pmc, it depends a lot on if you are buying or leasing.

If buying then you definitely want it IMO unless you want to be buying a second hand car to replace what was your new car (until you sat in it). And if buying on finance then you will more than likely be in negative equity unless you put in a decent deposit. Its not a dear thing anyway if you shop around.

If leasing its a different story altogether, as it is debatable whether it is worth it. As the car owner claims the VAT back on the purchase, they are 16% better off than a retail personal buyer is when it comes to depreciation. Then the initial payment normally isn't insignificant and therefore this knocks what the car stands them at even more. A member on here lost his S5 as a total loss and his insurance and Audi came to an agreement on it and he didn't need to use GAP. Audi even put him in another car to finish his lease term. Maybe he was 'lucky' that his car was nicked at the correct time at 6 months old that the money stacked up correctly, or it could be that because of the rates the lease cars are bought at combined with the VAT and initial payment that the owner is never in negative equity with it and therefore should be covered in the case of a claim. I have my lease car with GAP, partially as a failsafe and also so if I aren't as lucky as the other guy and not get another car from Audi straight away I have my initial payment covered too and can get another lease straight away.

The cheapest way I have found is to use totallossgap to get a quote and then get a quote from ALA which will more than likely be dearer. But ALA will beat any like for like quote by 20% of the difference between them so you use totalloss to beat ALAs price down.

[anonymous-user]

TomScrut said:

Yes, I don't understand this theory that a leased car is beaten to within an inch of its life by its driver. Its not like its a rental car that people may hire for a day to have a bit of fun in and thus any wear and tear isn't directly down to them (and therefore cannot be charged for it).

Agree, my FD's R has just gone back after a 2 year lease and it is absolutely mint in every single way.

My Touareg goes back in April after 3 years and again it has wanted for nothing, there is a small scratch on the rear bumper, not a mark anywhere else including the alloys.

I treat a lease car as if it is my own, my wife on the other hand treats her cars like st boxes and I wouldn't buy anything she had driven.

[w8pmc]

TomScrut said:

w8pmc, it depends a lot on if you are buying or leasing.

If buying then you definitely want it IMO unless you want to be buying a second hand car to replace what was your new car (until you sat in it). And if buying on finance then you will more than likely be in negative equity unless you put in a decent deposit. Its not a dear thing anyway if you shop around.

If leasing its a different story altogether, as it is debatable whether it is worth it. As the car owner claims the VAT back on the purchase, they are 16% better off than a retail personal buyer is when it comes to depreciation. Then the initial payment normally isn't insignificant and therefore this knocks what the car stands them at even more. A member on here lost his S5 as a total loss and his insurance and Audi came to an agreement on it and he didn't need to use GAP. Audi even put him in another car to finish his lease term. Maybe he was 'lucky' that his car was nicked at the correct time at 6 months old that the money stacked up correctly, or it could be that because of the rates the lease cars are bought at combined with the VAT and initial payment that the owner is never in negative equity with it and therefore should be covered in the case of a claim. I have my lease car with GAP, partially as a failsafe and also so if I aren't as lucky as the other guy and not get another car from Audi straight away I have my initial payment covered too and can get another lease straight away.

The cheapest way I have found is to use totallossgap to get a quote and then get a quote from ALA which will more than likely be dearer. But ALA will beat any like for like quote by 20% of the difference between them so you use totalloss to beat ALAs price down.

Like i said, most Insurers provide new for old in the first year (happened to a TT stolen from my drive). Was actually 11mths old & the insurers ordered a new car, to my gain the 02 Spec had been released since i'd bought mine so i actually on paper received a better car.

Had that happened at say 13 months old (i wasn't with NFU back then) then i'd have received a payout based on the value (may have required some negotiation) of the car at 13mths old, however the car was then actually 13mths old so i'd have been paid what it was worth & would (if i'd wanted) bought another 13mth old car. I could pay a premium (unlikely £60) for return to invoice & then i'd have bought another new car which i can see some benefit in (many clauses in many of those Return To Invoice policies though).

If i bought my cars with tiny deposits & put most of the value on tick then yes i can see the point in those cases as you'd need some financial support to balance things out. If i bought cash then i'd receive what my car was worth at the point it was a total loss & that would be no different if i was selling at that same point.

As i originally said, i've no interest in GAP Insurance, in fact none of the 'extra' policies dealers & the like peddle, however if they work for some people then fair enough.

That said, if i was to be offered a policy to cover 4yrs at a £60 premium that would basically guarantee me to be thousands, even 10's of thousands of ££'s better off in the event of a total loss, then i'd very likely bag myself one of those, to date however i've not witnessed this level of free money being offered by any such company.

I however am happy to be proved wrong & would (assuming i hadn't hired/leased) certainly sign up for such a policy in the paragraph above.