The S5 lease thread

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Kawasicki

13,096 posts

236 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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TomScrut said:
Kawasicki said:
Ozone said:
silentbrown said:
Slightly different as mine's a B8, but the OE fitment Conti's at the front lasted 11K. I put new Goodyears on the rear and swapped the rear Contis to the front. They were replaced at 17K.

Now on 27K and the Goodyear F1's still have about 3-4mm all round, so they definitely wear better then the Continentals. I certainly wouldn't bother replacing all tyres at the same time. Check the owner's manual, but I'm pretty sure it says ... "The use of tyres with varying degrees of wear will, however, not affect the four wheel drive transmission."


Being a sad individual who reads the manual, for my B9 S4 it says that all 4 tyres should be the same type, size and preferably the same tread pattern.

Will mixing the Goodyears and Contis on different axles cause any issues with handling/diff wear? I've only had mine a few months so when the time comes I guessed I would have to stick to the Contis unless replacing all 4 tyres.
They will have different rolling circumferences, so don’t mix them.
Given the tyres wear at different rates anyway why would it make a difference?
Interestingly rolling circumference is not really tied to tread depth, it is dominated by the circumference of the steel belts, so it doesn’t change very much as the tread wears.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Kawasicki said:
Interestingly rolling circumference is not really tied to tread depth, it is dominated by the circumference of the steel belts, so it doesn’t change very much as the tread wears.
So if you go from say 8mm thread to 2mm thread it doesn't make a difference? More than 2 suppliers of the same size tyre?

Is it because when there is less thread less compression?

Kawasicki

13,096 posts

236 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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TomScrut said:
Kawasicki said:
Interestingly rolling circumference is not really tied to tread depth, it is dominated by the circumference of the steel belts, so it doesn’t change very much as the tread wears.
So if you go from say 8mm thread to 2mm thread it doesn't make a difference? More than 2 suppliers of the same size tyre?

Is it because when there is less thread less compression?
It does make a difference, it is just that the difference is a fraction of what you would expect. It is due to the relative stiffness between the belts and the tread surface.

It is also super easy to measure. Fit new tyres to car, mark chalk line on sidewall down to road. Roll car 10 tyre revolutions down the road. Mark through the same chalk line to road, and then measure the distance between the lines on the road. Do this again with the worn tyres.

This measurement can also be helpful to see if different brands/sizes of tyres are likely to cause problems with abs/esp, or diff wear. Though, I have no experience with diff wear issues so I can’t help you there. The measurement doesn’t tell the full story though, it is just an indication...tyre rolling circumference changes with speed too, and different tyres react differently, unsurprisingly.


Edited by Kawasicki on Sunday 8th July 08:28

simonwhite2000

2,474 posts

98 months

Sunday 8th July 2018
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Annual maintenance detail completed this weekend

Mo-mo

135 posts

87 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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Hi guys,

My car has gone in for oil service today - it has down about 6k miles and I have had it for 1 year exactly (although service light popped up in month 11).

While the car has gone in for service I thought I would check out a few other snagging issues I had:

1) Under service interval it says my next inspection is in 13200 miles or 305 days. I spoke to the dealer who supplied my car to query this as I thought the second service was due after 18/19k miles of 2 years (in which case the warning should show 365 days). They said this was likely an error on the car and when I take the car in for service with my local dealer, they should be able to change the time period to show 365 days rather than 305 days. However when I spoke to my local audi service centre they said the time period has probably changed according to my driving style. Please could you help clarify.

2) When connecting my iphone via carplay everything seems fine until the parking sensors are activated (e.g. if i select reverse). Then the carplay stops working, and I have to unplug and reinsert cable to get carplay working again. This can obviously get annoying when it occurs while driving. I never used to have this problem until 6 months ago. I fear Audi will try to fob me off by saying it is an iphone software issue. Has anyone else had this problem and found a resolution?

3) Has anyone else had a problem with google map streetview? I can get satellite imaging but have not been able to access streetview at all?

4) Finally has anyone else experienced issues connecting via Wifi hotspot?

Sorry for all the questions but would be grateful for any answers. This would be useful when audi get back to me regarding resolutions to these problems later this afternoon.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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Mo-mo said:
Hi guys,
1) Under service interval it says my next inspection is in 13200 miles or 305 days. I spoke to the dealer who supplied my car to query this as I thought the second service was due after 18/19k miles of 2 years (in which case the warning should show 365 days). They said this was likely an error on the car and when I take the car in for service with my local dealer, they should be able to change the time period to show 365 days rather than 305 days. However when I spoke to my local audi service centre they said the time period has probably changed according to my driving style. Please could you help clarify.
I was under the impression the inspection was fixed at 2y/19000 as you say. So your miles work out but you have lost 60 days somewhere which is odd!

I am pretty sure my inspection clocked down correctly. I had it done a few months ago so I dont know for sure. It seems right now though since I did have it done.

FordMan1

483 posts

190 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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I took a lease out last August on a coupe S5 and looking for a bit of advice. This is by no means by first outing into leasing but would value some input.

Original term was 2 years, 6 up front, mileage limited to 10,000 a year so 20,000 for the term.

Due to work, I have gone over this with current mileage sitting at 13,500 with three weeks to run to take me to end of the first year.

I pay £439.09 a month and this includes maintenance and tyres.

To re-calibrate the contract to 24,000 miles the remaining payments will be altered to £530.00 a month plus admin fee of £60.00

To re-calibrate the contract to 30,000 miles the remaining payments will be altered to £592.00 a month plus admin fee of £60.00

My original agreement allows for excess mileage at 21.64 pence per mile, from memory and checking this includes VAT.

I appreciate I have changed the parameters, however £592.00 seems high to me. C £2k over the full term to increase the mileage I suppose is reflective of £95 more across 23 months.

Does anyone have any advice apart from not doing as many miles. Possibly extend the car a further year and try and split the mileage accordingly? I will post this in the general lease thread as well but would appreciate some advice.


TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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FordMan1 said:
I took a lease out last August on a coupe S5 and looking for a bit of advice. This is by no means by first outing into leasing but would value some input.

Original term was 2 years, 6 up front, mileage limited to 10,000 a year so 20,000 for the term.

Due to work, I have gone over this with current mileage sitting at 13,500 with three weeks to run to take me to end of the first year.

I pay £439.09 a month and this includes maintenance and tyres.

To re-calibrate the contract to 24,000 miles the remaining payments will be altered to £530.00 a month plus admin fee of £60.00

To re-calibrate the contract to 30,000 miles the remaining payments will be altered to £592.00 a month plus admin fee of £60.00

My original agreement allows for excess mileage at 21.64 pence per mile, from memory and checking this includes VAT.

I appreciate I have changed the parameters, however £592.00 seems high to me. C £2k over the full term to increase the mileage I suppose is reflective of £95 more across 23 months.

Does anyone have any advice apart from not doing as many miles. Possibly extend the car a further year and try and split the mileage accordingly? I will post this in the general lease thread as well but would appreciate some advice.

Oddly enough I need to have this conversation with VWFS, I am going to end up with about 8000 miles more than contract, at about 15ppm (non maintained) thats £1200. I'd rather pay it monthly and get the miles for a bit less. I emailed them but they havent got back to me.

I am assuming you have 12 payments left, so you have £153x12+£60=£1896 to pay for 10000 miles. That is cheaper than the £2164 you would have to pay for the excess miles.

The other thing that is worth noting is whilst your excess mileage is expensive in comparison to other leases, if you are paying £12733 for 20,000 miles, paying £14629 for half as many miles again is good value.

Its also worth noting (if you get paid the mileage for work) that your charge is easily covered by the recommended 45p per mile. Obviously I am making assumptions about your circumstances there. That is the case with me, where my excess mileage is paid for by what I am getting in expenses (the 45ppm does cover excess mileage, fuel and maintenace/tyres just I think).

IJB1959

2,139 posts

87 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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TomScrut said:
FordMan1 said:
I took a lease out last August on a coupe S5 and looking for a bit of advice. This is by no means by first outing into leasing but would value some input.

Original term was 2 years, 6 up front, mileage limited to 10,000 a year so 20,000 for the term.

Due to work, I have gone over this with current mileage sitting at 13,500 with three weeks to run to take me to end of the first year.

I pay £439.09 a month and this includes maintenance and tyres.

To re-calibrate the contract to 24,000 miles the remaining payments will be altered to £530.00 a month plus admin fee of £60.00

To re-calibrate the contract to 30,000 miles the remaining payments will be altered to £592.00 a month plus admin fee of £60.00

My original agreement allows for excess mileage at 21.64 pence per mile, from memory and checking this includes VAT.

I appreciate I have changed the parameters, however £592.00 seems high to me. C £2k over the full term to increase the mileage I suppose is reflective of £95 more across 23 months.

Does anyone have any advice apart from not doing as many miles. Possibly extend the car a further year and try and split the mileage accordingly? I will post this in the general lease thread as well but would appreciate some advice.

Oddly enough I need to have this conversation with VWFS, I am going to end up with about 8000 miles more than contract, at about 15ppm (non maintained) thats £1200. I'd rather pay it monthly and get the miles for a bit less. I emailed them but they havent got back to me.

I am assuming you have 12 payments left, so you have £153x12+£60=£1896 to pay for 10000 miles. That is cheaper than the £2164 you would have to pay for the excess miles.

The other thing that is worth noting is whilst your excess mileage is expensive in comparison to other leases, if you are paying £12733 for 20,000 miles, paying £14629 for half as many miles again is good value.

Its also worth noting (if you get paid the mileage for work) that your charge is easily covered by the recommended 45p per mile. Obviously I am making assumptions about your circumstances there. That is the case with me, where my excess mileage is paid for by what I am getting in expenses (the 45ppm does cover excess mileage, fuel and maintenace/tyres just I think).
Impressive man maths on here...nerd

FordMan1

483 posts

190 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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TomScrut said:
Oddly enough I need to have this conversation with VWFS, I am going to end up with about 8000 miles more than contract, at about 15ppm (non maintained) thats £1200. I'd rather pay it monthly and get the miles for a bit less. I emailed them but they havent got back to me.

I am assuming you have 12 payments left, so you have £153x12+£60=£1896 to pay for 10000 miles. That is cheaper than the £2164 you would have to pay for the excess miles.

The other thing that is worth noting is whilst your excess mileage is expensive in comparison to other leases, if you are paying £12733 for 20,000 miles, paying £14629 for half as many miles again is good value.

Its also worth noting (if you get paid the mileage for work) that your charge is easily covered by the recommended 45p per mile. Obviously I am making assumptions about your circumstances there. That is the case with me, where my excess mileage is paid for by what I am getting in expenses (the 45ppm does cover excess mileage, fuel and maintenace/tyres just I think).
Thanks for the reply mate. I have 11 months left to pay the way the contract works, as I understand it so would have £153 x 11 + 60 = £1,743.00 and yes, as you say it would be cheaper than the £2,200.00 I would pay if I just sat and waited until the end. I am pretty sure that VWFS also don't like not being informed and you are in breach of lease so technically the waiting about, even though it costs more, wouldn't be an option anyway.

My only other option would be to extend the lease for another year but make the mileage that year higher to take account of anything I have gone over and anything I believe I will go over that year. It will be interesting to see if that would make it cheaper mind you.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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IJB1959 said:
Impressive man maths on here...nerd
It's quite objective though, so man maths might not be the right description!

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

136 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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TomScrut said:
IJB1959 said:
Impressive man maths on here...nerd
It's quite objective though, so man maths might not be the right description!
Correct. Man maths would be to work out that it is cheaper to buy a boxster and sell it in 11 months to keep the mlles down on the S. wink

IJB1959

2,139 posts

87 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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TomScrut said:
IJB1959 said:
Impressive man maths on here...nerd
It's quite objective though, so man maths might not be the right description!
You know what I mean!...;)

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Friday 13th July 2018
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I have phoned VWFS today to get a quote for 8000 more miles (on 2y 10kpa at present). Non maintained.

Using the excess miles of 15.5ppm it would cost me £1246.08.

They want to increase my monthlies by £124.60 a month (I have 8 payments left) which in turn means those 8000 miles will cost me £996.80 plus £60 admin fee making it £1056.80. £189.28 saving altogether and it brings the miles down to 13.2ppm accounting for the fee.

Just so others know what sort of money they are talking for excess miles at the moment.

IJB1959

2,139 posts

87 months

Friday 13th July 2018
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TomScrut said:
I have phoned VWFS today to get a quote for 8000 more miles (on 2y 10kpa at present). Non maintained.

Using the excess miles of 15.5ppm it would cost me £1246.08.

They want to increase my monthlies by £124.60 a month (I have 8 payments left) which in turn means those 8000 miles will cost me £996.80 plus £60 admin fee making it £1056.80. £189.28 saving altogether and it brings the miles down to 13.2ppm accounting for the fee.

Just so others know what sort of money they are talking for excess miles at the moment.
That is quite a reasonable saving. 8k more miles is quite a lot though!!

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Friday 13th July 2018
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IJB1959 said:
That is quite a reasonable saving. 8k more miles is quite a lot though!!
Yes I am on 18800 now with just under 9 months left with the car. I ended up using my car a lot for work not very long after I got it.

Frankstar123

162 posts

136 months

Friday 13th July 2018
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Do you think there'll ever be a deal come March 2019 to get an S5 at similar lease prices? Mines on £400 p/month with ~£3600 down IIRC.

I'm wondering if its worth buying one through drivethedeal and getting ~£8k off list price?

IJB1959

2,139 posts

87 months

Friday 13th July 2018
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Frankstar123 said:
Do you think there'll ever be a deal come March 2019 to get an S5 at similar lease prices? Mines on £400 p/month with ~£3600 down IIRC.

I'm wondering if its worth buying one through drivethedeal and getting ~£8k off list price?
Who knows?......there will be a face lift by then so possibly.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Friday 13th July 2018
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IJB1959 said:
Who knows?......there will be a face lift by then so possibly.
Will there? The A4 facelift will be about by then but that came out a good year or so before the A5

JonChalk

6,469 posts

111 months

Friday 13th July 2018
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TomScrut said:
IJB1959 said:
Who knows?......there will be a face lift by then so possibly.
Will there? The A4 facelift will be about by then but that came out a good year or so before the A5
Think I've read somewhere that A4 gets it facelift mid-2019, with A5 about a year later (debut Geneva 2020, from memory).