What makes VW's PD engine so good?

What makes VW's PD engine so good?

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MJ85

1,849 posts

175 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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We have two cars with the PD130. I think they are great! Wish I'd bought cars with that engine years ago.

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

189 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Probably got quite a bit of recognition for being the first of a new breed of 'punchy' diesels. Before this, they were all rather agricultural and not fit for much more than mundane tasks.

Compare the French 2.0 HDi for example, which was being pedalled by Citroen / Peugeot at the time even in sportier models (late 90s/early 00s) and you could get 90 or 110hp. Or the offering from Ford, which was the 1.8TDCi - 115hp. The PD130/150 was actually faster in most situations than the 'GTI' Golf of the same era.

They do seem very smokey compared to other cars of the same vintage though, but that could be down to so many variables...

MJ85

1,849 posts

175 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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C.A.R. said:
Probably got quite a bit of recognition for being the first of a new breed of 'punchy' diesels. Before this, they were all rather agricultural and not fit for much more than mundane tasks.

Compare the French 2.0 HDi for example, which was being pedalled by Citroen / Peugeot at the time even in sportier models (late 90s/early 00s) and you could get 90 or 110hp. Or the offering from Ford, which was the 1.8TDCi - 115hp. The PD130/150 was actually faster in most situations than the 'GTI' Golf of the same era.

They do seem very smokey compared to other cars of the same vintage though, but that could be down to so many variables...
Boost leak! Or in our case, one dose of injector cleaner made a huge difference.

bobski1

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1,779 posts

105 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
Lots of black smoke, sluggish acceleration and massive fuel consumption?
No black smoke, still hitting 50mpg & acceleration isn't too shabby with a remap

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

180 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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I had one in a Volkswagen Caddy. No idea which version.

It's a diesel first of all, so rough and a bit gutless I would expect.

I didn't expect it to be thirstier than the 2.0 turbo petrol Astra I had at the same time though. I moved it on pretty quickly after I noticed that.

mwstewart

7,619 posts

189 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Jimmy Recard said:
I had one in a Volkswagen Caddy. No idea which version.

It's a diesel first of all, so rough and a bit gutless I would expect.

I didn't expect it to be thirstier than the 2.0 turbo petrol Astra I had at the same time though. I moved it on pretty quickly after I noticed that.
The Caddy had the terrible 1.9D and 1.9SDI engines, and later the 1.9 TDi 90bhp. All underpowered for the Caddy and none are 1.9 PDs.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

180 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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mwstewart said:
The Caddy had the terrible 1.9D and 1.9SDI engines, and later the 1.9 TDi 90bhp. All underpowered for the Caddy and none are 1.9 PDs.
My mistake, it was a 1.9 TDI. 06 plate. I assumed it was one of these

I just found myself disappointed in so many things about the poor design and build of that thing - even for a van. Rusty at 40k miles, thirsty, constant random sensor/electrical faults, the driving position. I'd recommend anyone not buy one.

I made £900 selling it though, so it wasn't that bad.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

119 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Jimmy Recard said:
My mistake, it was a 1.9 TDI. 06 plate. I assumed it was one of these

I just found myself disappointed in so many things about the poor design and build of that thing - even for a van. Rusty at 40k miles, thirsty, constant random sensor/electrical faults, the driving position. I'd recommend anyone not buy one.

I made £900 selling it though, so it wasn't that bad.
It would be a PD, 103bhp, bit of a mis-match.
Not for everyone smile

Klippie

3,165 posts

146 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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130PD engine in a small hatchback = more fun than you can shake a stick at...Fabia VRS it just didn't get better than this.

mwstewart

7,619 posts

189 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Jimmy Recard said:
My mistake, it was a 1.9 TDI. 06 plate. I assumed it was one of these

I just found myself disappointed in so many things about the poor design and build of that thing - even for a van. Rusty at 40k miles, thirsty, constant random sensor/electrical faults, the driving position. I'd recommend anyone not buy one.

I made £900 selling it though, so it wasn't that bad.
That's not good for an '06 car. Some of the earlier Mk4 Golf's are starting to rust but the Passats seem to be worse for some reason.

Touch wood I've not had any electrical issues on my Golf. I've had to replace the exhaust, alternator, and PAS pump, then maintenance stuff like bushes and brakes. They definitely aren't Japanese-like in their reliability.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

119 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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mwstewart said:
That's not good for an '06 car. Some of the earlier Mk4 Golf's are starting to rust but the Passats seem to be worse for some reason.

Touch wood I've not had any electrical issues on my Golf. I've had to replace the exhaust, alternator, and PAS pump, then maintenance stuff like bushes and brakes. They definitely aren't Japanese-like in their reliability.
VERY common on Golf Mk5s unfortunately.
I had rusty front wings on both of them.

I'm at 180k on a CR170 with 340bhp and I use it as a "track toy" / weekend car and it's never let me down, other than a clutch pipe. smile

Drive Blind

5,097 posts

178 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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kambites said:
I'm not sure it was particularly exception for its era.

In some ways that was a golden age for diesel engines, at least as "work-horses"; turbocharging had become mainstream so they weren't the dog-slow things from a few years before but they had yet to be strangled by modern emissions regulations and since they were still viewed as something you bought purely to save money people didn't complain so much about things like their lack of refinement.
pretty much my thoughts - on the PD130 version.

I can't get quite as excited as all the folk claiming how brilliant the PD tractor lump was but it was good because it was the first widely available diesel that wasn't crap with no performance.

Also my personal experience of the folk who raved about them were coming from 1.4 and 1.6 NA petrols. So to them the 200lb ft torque spike at 1700rpm made it the fastest car in the world.

I ran a PD130 for 2 years and then moved on to a CR140. I don't think I ever once wished I still had the PD130 in the replacement car.

Drive Blind

5,097 posts

178 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Klippie said:
130PD engine in a small hatchback = more fun than you can shake a stick at...Fabia VRS it just didn't get better than this.
CR140 in the Ibiza was better IMO

AC123

1,117 posts

155 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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I've got a 2003 A4 with I think a PD130. 172K, very pleased with it. Only problems seem to be more electronic, which I would blame the manufacturer for rather than the engine.

Tows a 1600KG horse + trailer on occasion too, although the front end does get somewhat light!

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

180 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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mwstewart said:
That's not good for an '06 car. Some of the earlier Mk4 Golf's are starting to rust but the Passats seem to be worse for some reason.

Touch wood I've not had any electrical issues on my Golf. I've had to replace the exhaust, alternator, and PAS pump, then maintenance stuff like bushes and brakes. They definitely aren't Japanese-like in their reliability.
Thing is, when I had it I saw the things I didn't like on my Caddy, and realised that I would've liked a Golf. I could've had a petrol engine and I think the sitting position that didn't suit me in the Caddy was due to the divider behind stopping the seat travel so I couldn't move it back far enough.

The thing is for that, I had an Astra SRi Turbo instead. Maybe I should've probably bought a Golf GTI and an Astra van instead of an Astra SRi Turbo and a Caddy! They each came up separately at really keen prices so that's how it worked out in that odd way

You live and learn smile

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

180 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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xjay1337 said:
It would be a PD, 103bhp, bit of a mis-match.
Not for everyone smile
Ah thanks, I recall something about 105PS so that makes sense. I only had it as a work thing and didn't keep it long so didn't get too into it

AC123

1,117 posts

155 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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As for "not looking out of place on benefit street". That might well be true, but the dog doesn't quite fit in the boot of the Aston, the SL63 or either of the Ducatis wink

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Drive Blind said:
Also my personal experience of the folk who raved about them were coming from 1.4 and 1.6 NA petrols. So to them the 200lb ft torque spike at 1700rpm made it the fastest car in the world.
^^^ This!

Hub

6,440 posts

199 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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dme123 said:
Drive Blind said:
Also my personal experience of the folk who raved about them were coming from 1.4 and 1.6 NA petrols. So to them the 200lb ft torque spike at 1700rpm made it the fastest car in the world.
^^^ This!
I loved my little Fabia VRS - yes, it did FEEL faster than it actually was... but that's not a bad thing on public roads, right? You can have a lot of fun stabbing the throttle in 2nd and getting a burst of power pushing you back in your seat without going mad and losing your licence!

OddCat

2,538 posts

172 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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AC123 said:
As for "not looking out of place on benefit street". That might well be true, but the dog doesn't quite fit in the boot of the Aston, the SL63 or either of the Ducatis wink
You have a Ducati with a boot ? Blimey, whatever next....