Any ideas - Audi TT Mk 3.2 DSG Metatronic death...
Discussion
So, despite low mileage (40k in a 04 plate) my number has recently come up on the DSG metatronic lottery.
Complete failure while driving, stuck in 2nd gear. So, dropped the car with specialists, they sent the unit off to be analysed and we were hopeful of it being repaired however have just been advised it's not possible.
Options:
A new unit inc. fitting would cost in the region of £2,500 which would seem silly given 1) the value of the car and 2) it being 12 years old who knows what other problems are lurking down the line.
Second hand, the unit is paired with the gearbox which means replacing the unit isn't possible but a full gearbox change would work, except there wouldn't appear to be any from what I've searched.
Should I just wave the car off to Audi Valhalla and think of the memories...
Ideas welcomed.
Complete failure while driving, stuck in 2nd gear. So, dropped the car with specialists, they sent the unit off to be analysed and we were hopeful of it being repaired however have just been advised it's not possible.
Options:
A new unit inc. fitting would cost in the region of £2,500 which would seem silly given 1) the value of the car and 2) it being 12 years old who knows what other problems are lurking down the line.
Second hand, the unit is paired with the gearbox which means replacing the unit isn't possible but a full gearbox change would work, except there wouldn't appear to be any from what I've searched.
Should I just wave the car off to Audi Valhalla and think of the memories...
Ideas welcomed.
I'd phone these guys, they repaired the mech unit on my Mk5 Golf DSG while I waited and are top notch.
They repair in-house and know the Audi and VW stuff inside out
http://www.bristolgearboxcentre.com/
They repair in-house and know the Audi and VW stuff inside out
http://www.bristolgearboxcentre.com/
Blaster72 said:
I'd phone these guys, they repaired the mech unit on my Mk5 Golf DSG while I waited and are top notch.
They repair in-house and know the Audi and VW stuff inside out
http://www.bristolgearboxcentre.com/
These guys were ace when mine went on my GTi. I even watched them carry out the surgery/repair.They repair in-house and know the Audi and VW stuff inside out
http://www.bristolgearboxcentre.com/
J4CKO said:
Is this common with the DSG in the V6 TT ?
I have a hankering for a MK1 TT that wont go away as I fancy something smaller than my CLS but cant spend any more than that is worth.
its relatively common and well documented over on ttforum.co.uk ... there are a few tell tale warning signs of impending failure when looking to buy (such as reversing uphill/small gradient and it stuttering/jerking when it should be smooth)I have a hankering for a MK1 TT that wont go away as I fancy something smaller than my CLS but cant spend any more than that is worth.
alorotom said:
J4CKO said:
Is this common with the DSG in the V6 TT ?
I have a hankering for a MK1 TT that wont go away as I fancy something smaller than my CLS but cant spend any more than that is worth.
its relatively common and well documented over on ttforum.co.uk ... there are a few tell tale warning signs of impending failure when looking to buy (such as reversing uphill/small gradient and it stuttering/jerking when it should be smooth)I have a hankering for a MK1 TT that wont go away as I fancy something smaller than my CLS but cant spend any more than that is worth.
I was avoiding the V6 but looking at TT's the V6's seem to, in a lot of cases seem in better condition, if you narrow it down to only Manual ones there are so few for sale and I like having an auto.
Wouldn't bother. The shift is woeful on the generation 1 DSG. Try a current VAG DSG, and then try the MK1 TT and you will get it.
Besides which, the whole car feels heavy and cumbersome in the corners. As has been recommended a number of times...... MK5 GTI or derivative......or even the MK2 TT, which is infinitely better in all areas. MK1 V6s don't have the 2005> chain revisions, so that's something else looming on the horizon.
If you must have a MK1, get the 240 Sport.
And this is classic example of condition being everything, not mileage. I'm not sure if/when Brits will ever get over the mileage hang ups.
BBA Reman are another excellent repair service.
Besides which, the whole car feels heavy and cumbersome in the corners. As has been recommended a number of times...... MK5 GTI or derivative......or even the MK2 TT, which is infinitely better in all areas. MK1 V6s don't have the 2005> chain revisions, so that's something else looming on the horizon.
If you must have a MK1, get the 240 Sport.
And this is classic example of condition being everything, not mileage. I'm not sure if/when Brits will ever get over the mileage hang ups.
BBA Reman are another excellent repair service.
I've loved having the car and recently "committed" to sticking with it despite it not being family friendly...plus we have a family wagon anyway. Had the 1.8T in my previous Audi and have enjoyed the straight grunt this provided as an alternative. But yes it's heavy in corners.
I haven't spent much at all over the past 8 1/2 years on it so was / am ready to pay metatronic repair costs (£1,000) but not a full gearbox / unit replacement (£2,500). Believe that ECU have been contacted, will reach out to Bristol to see if there's any hope.
As for mileage, I do think it's relative considering 40k isn't a great deal of burden placed upon parts - I knew there was a risk with the DSG however with such low road going exposure you'd expect more. Bit like buying a new pair of shoes, walking 5 miles only to find they already need re-soling.
I haven't spent much at all over the past 8 1/2 years on it so was / am ready to pay metatronic repair costs (£1,000) but not a full gearbox / unit replacement (£2,500). Believe that ECU have been contacted, will reach out to Bristol to see if there's any hope.
As for mileage, I do think it's relative considering 40k isn't a great deal of burden placed upon parts - I knew there was a risk with the DSG however with such low road going exposure you'd expect more. Bit like buying a new pair of shoes, walking 5 miles only to find they already need re-soling.
Hmm, perhaps keep my eyes open for a decent 225 then, just need something a bit smaller and fairly cheap whilst kids at Uni and building work in progress. Its just finding a decent one and selling my CLS without giving it away, think i need to try one, always wanted one since I sat in one once and saw the point, they might be rubbish but I have an unscratched itch, where are the best examples for sale, usually the specific forum is a great source of candidates but the TT OC doesnt seem to have a for sale section.
TTForum / TTOC does have a sale and wanted section but it’s behind a membership wall ... I think it’s based on a number of posts made if I remember correctly
They’re overpriced on there in my experience - I’ve seen some real good bargains on eBay though as well as gumtree and you can be pretty picky about colour, options, pixel issues etc...
They’re overpriced on there in my experience - I’ve seen some real good bargains on eBay though as well as gumtree and you can be pretty picky about colour, options, pixel issues etc...
alorotom said:
TTForum / TTOC does have a sale and wanted section but it’s behind a membership wall ... I think it’s based on a number of posts made if I remember correctly
They’re overpriced on there in my experience - I’ve seen some real good bargains on eBay though as well as gumtree and you can be pretty picky about colour, options, pixel issues etc...
Am currently trying to get to look, had to pay a fiver for a sticker to have a nosey at the classifieds !They’re overpriced on there in my experience - I’ve seen some real good bargains on eBay though as well as gumtree and you can be pretty picky about colour, options, pixel issues etc...
alorotom said:
Having had mk1 and 2 TTs and still owning 2x mk2's I disagree and say the mk1 is much more fun to drive
The 240 is a great car don't get me wrong but QS premiums for this are nuts compared to a regular 225
Fun is subjective I guess, but the 225 is better than the V6 in the twisties, but all MK1s have the same inherent structural and chassis setup weaknesses that the MK2s do not have.The 240 is a great car don't get me wrong but QS premiums for this are nuts compared to a regular 225
willyjc said:
As for mileage, I do think it's relative considering 40k isn't a great deal of burden placed upon parts - I knew there was a risk with the DSG however with such low road going exposure you'd expect more. Bit like buying a new pair of shoes, walking 5 miles only to find they already need re-soling.
I hear what you're saying but you cannot compare a shoe bought from Matalan to complex machinery 
Short journeys kill off cars way sooner than daily driven motorway munchers. These old VAGs don't like, and have never liked pootling around town. They need regular use and some decent heat in the drivetrain. Same goes for many other cars too.
There are way more fully working DSG systems out there than not working, so you have to ask yourself why that is. Design flaws? Possibly. Batch defects? Possibly. User neglect/abuse? Most likely.
Thought I'd provide an update / footnote to the saga that became repairing my DSG / Mechatronic unit (MCU).
Long story short (as best I can), my Audi went to a local private specialist who removed the MCU and send to ECU testing. Somewhere in transit someone kindly dropped the MCU, seeing solenoids snapped off and the unit rendered broken before it could even be tested. FWIW, ECU tested the unit and determined the fault to be internal and as such irreparable anyway (convenient!). MCU was returned to my local specialist where they pursued a claim with Royal Mail for the damage caused - however after a 6 week wait Royal Mail said that there wasn't a claim to be answered as the original packaging had been disposed of (by ECU) and was needed to validate the claim.
After all this my local specialist advise that they can't help and are out of ideas...
So I contact http://www.bristolgearboxcentre.com/ (referenced above) - talked with Alex there and he said they could help however physically needed the car to work on as it's a technical job and they wouldn't want to risk delicate MCU's in the post (!). My car was shipped down on Weds / Thursday and repaired by Friday eve when I picked it up and drove the +200 miles home. Now a Very happy customer.
The original MCU was repaired, they even sorted out the broken solenoids etc (added to the job cost but still cheaper than a replacement).
Alex and his team were quick, professional and most importantly did what others said wasn't possible. Should have sent the car to them from the start! They are able to pull all sorts of tricks with all sorts of Auto gearboxes - wholeheartedly recommend them...
Long story short (as best I can), my Audi went to a local private specialist who removed the MCU and send to ECU testing. Somewhere in transit someone kindly dropped the MCU, seeing solenoids snapped off and the unit rendered broken before it could even be tested. FWIW, ECU tested the unit and determined the fault to be internal and as such irreparable anyway (convenient!). MCU was returned to my local specialist where they pursued a claim with Royal Mail for the damage caused - however after a 6 week wait Royal Mail said that there wasn't a claim to be answered as the original packaging had been disposed of (by ECU) and was needed to validate the claim.
After all this my local specialist advise that they can't help and are out of ideas...
So I contact http://www.bristolgearboxcentre.com/ (referenced above) - talked with Alex there and he said they could help however physically needed the car to work on as it's a technical job and they wouldn't want to risk delicate MCU's in the post (!). My car was shipped down on Weds / Thursday and repaired by Friday eve when I picked it up and drove the +200 miles home. Now a Very happy customer.
The original MCU was repaired, they even sorted out the broken solenoids etc (added to the job cost but still cheaper than a replacement).
Alex and his team were quick, professional and most importantly did what others said wasn't possible. Should have sent the car to them from the start! They are able to pull all sorts of tricks with all sorts of Auto gearboxes - wholeheartedly recommend them...
Hello fellow petrolheads
I own a 2004 MK1 Audi TT 3.2 DSG. I have had it for 4 years now and love it!
I have always had the following symptoms in the car but didn't worry too much about it until now.
The only reason I am looking to address it is I have come to realize it's affecting the joy of driving my car and I am set on getting the issue addressed. I have read quite a few posts on this subject but just wanting to try to ensure the problem I am experiencing is indeed the same - a mechatronic one . . .
Symptoms:
1. Aggressive take off from standstill (Much worse on an incline)
2. Gears sometime seem to get confused in auto mode and result in a delay to change (usually when a down change is required) before settling into the correct gear
3. Hard change from 2 to 3 and 4 to 5 when in manual mode (1 to 2 and 5 to 6 seem fine and smooth - no sudden jerk)
4. The symptoms in 3 above are non-existent when driving in auto mode all through the full gear range.
Could this me the mechatronic unit?
If so, how advanced is the issue? (How close to more serious failure?
I live on the Isle of Man so there is no open highway driving meaning I don't end up with high mileage at all hence the feeling the problem is more or less the same in terms of intensity over the last 4 years of owning the car.
Thanking you in advance,
Indy
I own a 2004 MK1 Audi TT 3.2 DSG. I have had it for 4 years now and love it!
I have always had the following symptoms in the car but didn't worry too much about it until now.
The only reason I am looking to address it is I have come to realize it's affecting the joy of driving my car and I am set on getting the issue addressed. I have read quite a few posts on this subject but just wanting to try to ensure the problem I am experiencing is indeed the same - a mechatronic one . . .
Symptoms:
1. Aggressive take off from standstill (Much worse on an incline)
2. Gears sometime seem to get confused in auto mode and result in a delay to change (usually when a down change is required) before settling into the correct gear
3. Hard change from 2 to 3 and 4 to 5 when in manual mode (1 to 2 and 5 to 6 seem fine and smooth - no sudden jerk)
4. The symptoms in 3 above are non-existent when driving in auto mode all through the full gear range.
Could this me the mechatronic unit?
If so, how advanced is the issue? (How close to more serious failure?
I live on the Isle of Man so there is no open highway driving meaning I don't end up with high mileage at all hence the feeling the problem is more or less the same in terms of intensity over the last 4 years of owning the car.
Thanking you in advance,
Indy
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