Up Gti. Bargain at £13,750...?
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t out!andrewparker said:
Interesting read, thanks for posting.The best friend is a VW Business Manager. He's round this evening, and he's in an UP GTi. Just been out in it and I'm SERIOUSLY impressed. I'm used to quicker stuff (1722 Cup, 106 Gti, near 300bhp Focus ST) I thought it would feel slow, but, my god, it shifts!! It sounds great too, really raspy. Does anyone know if it pumps the engine sound through the speakers?
The BF loves it, and he's always been hard to impress. May have to look for one in a few years.
The BF loves it, and he's always been hard to impress. May have to look for one in a few years.
cheddar said:
andrewparker said:
cheddar said:
Yes
It doesn’t actually. The sound is amplified through hollow channels in the A pillars, but not through the speakers. 
FWIW many reviews of both the up! GTI and Golf GTI/R state that sound is piped through the speakers, but it’s not true. The GTI/R uses a puck device located under the windscreen, that vibrates and effectively makes the glass a speaker. As mentioned the up! uses the pillars to amplify the sound, so in reality it is only exaggerating the sound, not creating something that isn’t authentic.
From the Top Gear review –
“Let’s start with the noise. Downsized three-cylinder engines tend to be peppy, rorty little things, and the normal Up’s is no different, but VW’s borrowed the sound-symposer trick from the Golf R which pipes echoes of the revs building up the A-pillars and uses the entire windscreen surround like a tuning fork.
So, at 1,500rpm, the Up’s turbo wakes up, the traction control light flashes encouragingly if it’s damp, and an earnest burble trumpets into the cabin. It’s much more authentic than dubbing noise through the speakers, al la RS Clio, and adds genuine sense of occasion. It also makes you feel like you’re going faster than you are, growling about the place. In a car that when all is said and done, isn’t that fast, that’s crucial.”
“Let’s start with the noise. Downsized three-cylinder engines tend to be peppy, rorty little things, and the normal Up’s is no different, but VW’s borrowed the sound-symposer trick from the Golf R which pipes echoes of the revs building up the A-pillars and uses the entire windscreen surround like a tuning fork.
So, at 1,500rpm, the Up’s turbo wakes up, the traction control light flashes encouragingly if it’s damp, and an earnest burble trumpets into the cabin. It’s much more authentic than dubbing noise through the speakers, al la RS Clio, and adds genuine sense of occasion. It also makes you feel like you’re going faster than you are, growling about the place. In a car that when all is said and done, isn’t that fast, that’s crucial.”
andrewparker said:
From the Top Gear review –
“Let’s start with the noise. Downsized three-cylinder engines tend to be peppy, rorty little things, and the normal Up’s is no different, but VW’s borrowed the sound-symposer trick from the Golf R which pipes echoes of the revs building up the A-pillars and uses the entire windscreen surround like a tuning fork.
So, at 1,500rpm, the Up’s turbo wakes up, the traction control light flashes encouragingly if it’s damp, and an earnest burble trumpets into the cabin. It’s much more authentic than dubbing noise through the speakers, al la RS Clio, and adds genuine sense of occasion. It also makes you feel like you’re going faster than you are, growling about the place. In a car that when all is said and done, isn’t that fast, that’s crucial.”
One counter thing that Keith (the best friend) said, which makes sense is that whilst it sounds good inside, when he floors it down a road people turn around. 'That means it sounds good OUTSIDE the car'. Very true. When I nailed my Focus ST (the 5 cylinder one) heads would turn in a 'WTF is that great sound' style. It sounds good, full stop, rorty is the best word I can think of. I actually want one, it's a car which makes you smile, even as a passenger. “Let’s start with the noise. Downsized three-cylinder engines tend to be peppy, rorty little things, and the normal Up’s is no different, but VW’s borrowed the sound-symposer trick from the Golf R which pipes echoes of the revs building up the A-pillars and uses the entire windscreen surround like a tuning fork.
So, at 1,500rpm, the Up’s turbo wakes up, the traction control light flashes encouragingly if it’s damp, and an earnest burble trumpets into the cabin. It’s much more authentic than dubbing noise through the speakers, al la RS Clio, and adds genuine sense of occasion. It also makes you feel like you’re going faster than you are, growling about the place. In a car that when all is said and done, isn’t that fast, that’s crucial.”
Just been told that the order book is closed for Up GTI orders currently because Volkswagen can't deal with the amount of orders it's received... unsure whether that's just dealer-talk, but have bought a few cars from this bloke and have no reason to doubt his word so it's a bit of a shame; should have pulled my finger out a bit sooner really. I'm not interested in a standard car either, not that you can spec them heavily, but there are a couple of essential options for me.
RS Grant said:
Just been told that the order book is closed for Up GTI orders currently because Volkswagen can't deal with the amount of orders it's received... unsure whether that's just dealer-talk, but have bought a few cars from this bloke and have no reason to doubt his word so it's a bit of a shame; should have pulled my finger out a bit sooner really. I'm not interested in a standard car either, not that you can spec them heavily, but there are a couple of essential options for me.
I'm aware of a few people who ordered within the last week and were told they should expect a wait of at least 42 weeks, so I'm not sure that they're closing the order books, more managing expectations on lead times.I agree about the options, I added climate control, black roof, the Beats sound system, and the City Braking pack to mine and it still came in well under list with the discount.
Just received from my VW business manager friend, for clarification -
'If you google part number 4H0907601D you will find a Volkswagen actuator which has a speaker in it. This does sit in the dash under the windscreen but it doesn’t vibrate the screen, it just has a speaker.
You could say that the guy who said it goes through the speakers is half right and the guy that said it vibrates the screen is half right as it is ‘puck like’ and the location is correct.
You can put that on piston heads and be 100% correct'
'If you google part number 4H0907601D you will find a Volkswagen actuator which has a speaker in it. This does sit in the dash under the windscreen but it doesn’t vibrate the screen, it just has a speaker.
You could say that the guy who said it goes through the speakers is half right and the guy that said it vibrates the screen is half right as it is ‘puck like’ and the location is correct.
You can put that on piston heads and be 100% correct'
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Just received from my VW business manager friend, for clarification -
'If you google part number 4H0907601D you will find a Volkswagen actuator which has a speaker in it. This does sit in the dash under the windscreen but it doesn’t vibrate the screen, it just has a speaker.
You could say that the guy who said it goes through the speakers is half right and the guy that said it vibrates the screen is half right as it is ‘puck like’ and the location is correct.
You can put that on piston heads and be 100% correct'
I know you obviously trust what he says, but I don't think that's right. If you do Google the part number as suggested you'll see that it is listed as a "structure-borne noise amplifier", meaning the following:'If you google part number 4H0907601D you will find a Volkswagen actuator which has a speaker in it. This does sit in the dash under the windscreen but it doesn’t vibrate the screen, it just has a speaker.
You could say that the guy who said it goes through the speakers is half right and the guy that said it vibrates the screen is half right as it is ‘puck like’ and the location is correct.
You can put that on piston heads and be 100% correct'
"Structure-borne sound results from an impact on, or a vibration against, a part of a building fabric resulting in sound being radiated from an adjacent vibrating surface."
andrewparker said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Just received from my VW business manager friend, for clarification -
'If you google part number 4H0907601D you will find a Volkswagen actuator which has a speaker in it. This does sit in the dash under the windscreen but it doesn’t vibrate the screen, it just has a speaker.
You could say that the guy who said it goes through the speakers is half right and the guy that said it vibrates the screen is half right as it is ‘puck like’ and the location is correct.
You can put that on piston heads and be 100% correct'
I know you obviously trust what he says, but I don't think that's right. If you do Google the part number as suggested you'll see that it is listed as a "structure-borne noise amplifier", meaning the following:'If you google part number 4H0907601D you will find a Volkswagen actuator which has a speaker in it. This does sit in the dash under the windscreen but it doesn’t vibrate the screen, it just has a speaker.
You could say that the guy who said it goes through the speakers is half right and the guy that said it vibrates the screen is half right as it is ‘puck like’ and the location is correct.
You can put that on piston heads and be 100% correct'
"Structure-borne sound results from an impact on, or a vibration against, a part of a building fabric resulting in sound being radiated from an adjacent vibrating surface."
RS Grant said:
Just been told that the order book is closed for Up GTI orders currently because Volkswagen can't deal with the amount of orders it's received... unsure whether that's just dealer-talk, but have bought a few cars from this bloke and have no reason to doubt his word so it's a bit of a shame; should have pulled my finger out a bit sooner really. I'm not interested in a standard car either, not that you can spec them heavily, but there are a couple of essential options for me.
Just ordered mine from Main Dealer. No finance contribution now (was£500 prev)
VW Solutions 6.3%APR not 4.8% quoted on rest of range.
Delivery week 32 2018 expected.
Just what I'd do if I ran a major car manufacturer and had a runaway (early) hit.
Dealer said he'd offer me earlier cars on the build run as people drop out.
Its my second car, so I can wait, and to be fair my test drive was such a hoot, that for £240/m what's to dislike.
Spec'd cruise and park, but extras on a lease deal is money burnt as we all know
The_Doc said:
RS Grant said:
Just been told that the order book is closed for Up GTI orders currently because Volkswagen can't deal with the amount of orders it's received... unsure whether that's just dealer-talk, but have bought a few cars from this bloke and have no reason to doubt his word so it's a bit of a shame; should have pulled my finger out a bit sooner really. I'm not interested in a standard car either, not that you can spec them heavily, but there are a couple of essential options for me.
Just ordered mine from Main Dealer. No finance contribution now (was£500 prev)
VW Solutions 6.3%APR not 4.8% quoted on rest of range.
Delivery week 32 2018 expected.
Just what I'd do if I ran a major car manufacturer and had a runaway (early) hit.
Dealer said he'd offer me earlier cars on the build run as people drop out.
Its my second car, so I can wait, and to be fair my test drive was such a hoot, that for £240/m what's to dislike.
Spec'd cruise and park, but extras on a lease deal is money burnt as we all know
Congratulations on the purchase though - what colour did you go for?
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