Golf R 7.5 DSG - what a miserable gearbox
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Following on from my post in Feb last year I have now replaced that 2012 Octavia vRS diesel (170) with 6-speed wet-clutch DSG with a 2018 Leon FR 1.4TSi (150) with dry-clutch 7-speed DSG.
To me there is very little difference between the gearboxes - provided the Stop-Start in the Leon is disabled.
Both cars have smooth gear-changes and no hesitation on acceleration - but I don't scream into roundabouts under heavy braking and then expect instant acceleration.
I won't have DSG without the paddles.
To me there is very little difference between the gearboxes - provided the Stop-Start in the Leon is disabled.
Both cars have smooth gear-changes and no hesitation on acceleration - but I don't scream into roundabouts under heavy braking and then expect instant acceleration.
I won't have DSG without the paddles.
Funny isn't it
Talking about the best mode for a DSG for a particular situation whereas a manual changes 'mode' as fast as you think. I like that. (probably not put that very well)
A DSG on the track is great, probably the one place where it really is at home and even I liked driving a 430 shifting with the paddles (Im such a luddite, I still have a commodore PET)
But on the road, it seems a shame that they seem to be hobbled by the real reason for their uptake, which is emissions. Would be interesting to drive one that has been remapped to make the auto mode much more 'normal;
But I still like a manual, it does everything I want from a gearbox.
Talking about the best mode for a DSG for a particular situation whereas a manual changes 'mode' as fast as you think. I like that. (probably not put that very well)
A DSG on the track is great, probably the one place where it really is at home and even I liked driving a 430 shifting with the paddles (Im such a luddite, I still have a commodore PET)
But on the road, it seems a shame that they seem to be hobbled by the real reason for their uptake, which is emissions. Would be interesting to drive one that has been remapped to make the auto mode much more 'normal;
But I still like a manual, it does everything I want from a gearbox.
acme said:
The ultimate gap misser - Would you mind expanding on this, do you mean it literally? .
It seems to me that when your speed is going in one direction (going up or going down), the box can roughly guess which gear you want next. But if you should seek to change the direction of your speed, let's say you are coasting and then see a gap and want to move to seize the gap, then more often or not there is a 1-2 second delay (in Drive mode, or in flappy paddles too) before the command of your right foot is met with any action. And then when the response does materialise, its 'scalded cat' acceleration. If my wife & kids are in the car, they think I've turned into a boy racer, whereas sometimes I just want 50% more power (at that moment) rather than 100% more power (in 2 seconds' time).
I care about this topic because of my love of R cars but (and at risk of taking this thread in a different direction, sorry to the OP), I think its academic. Not sure I'll want a 4th R car as the Golf 8 looks ugly IMO - the new VW look (for Polo or Golf) reminds me of a Vauxhall Astra Mark 3. And I doubt VW will offer a manual option in the estate that I need, given the sins of their fathers.
bcanning said:
It seems to me that when your speed is going in one direction (going up or going down), the box can roughly guess which gear you want next. But if you should seek to change the direction of your speed, let's say you are coasting and then see a gap and want to move to seize the gap, then more often or not there is a 1-2 second delay (in Drive mode, or in flappy paddles too) before the command of your right foot is met with any action.
And then when the response does materialise, its 'scalded cat' acceleration. If my wife & kids are in the car, they think I've turned into a boy racer, whereas sometimes I just want 50% more power (at that moment) rather than 100% more power (in 2 seconds' time).
Every auto I've ever owned/driven has been like that, it's a really irritating characteristic. And then when the response does materialise, its 'scalded cat' acceleration. If my wife & kids are in the car, they think I've turned into a boy racer, whereas sometimes I just want 50% more power (at that moment) rather than 100% more power (in 2 seconds' time).
would this 'gap-miss' issue also be present on a '09 Audi S4 S-Tronic box?
I've re-used the term as it does explain the driving phenomenon very well
Personally I've no interest in automatics myself, manual all the way - but unfortunately an auto box is the only option in my country, where the almost minuscule CO2 increase on a manual over the auto (about 3mg's!!) equals an extra £900 a year in tax.
I love the S4's though so was willing to live with it - but not if it's this bad.
I've re-used the term as it does explain the driving phenomenon very well
Personally I've no interest in automatics myself, manual all the way - but unfortunately an auto box is the only option in my country, where the almost minuscule CO2 increase on a manual over the auto (about 3mg's!!) equals an extra £900 a year in tax.
I love the S4's though so was willing to live with it - but not if it's this bad.
BrittasBay said:
where the almost minuscule CO2 increase on a manual over the auto (about 3mg's!!) equals an extra £900 a year in tax.
Think they lied again, manual is infact lower co2 than automatic as had the figures for my new car last year. Was so close to having an Octavia VRS 2.0tdi estate until dieselgate and it changing to being DSG only. Alot of the cars on the company list were DSG must of been a VW warehouse push due to stricter limits coming out.Anyway out of all the automatics I've driven Golf GTi mk7, Ford Galaxy 2.0tdi mk3 and BMW 320i F34. The only one that made sence and worked as it should the Ford Galaxy.
Olas said:
One of the issues with DSG is the way it’s mapped or calibrated.
DSG remaps are available and often performed at the same time as engine remaps, or you can do it yourself using either Ross-tech cables and software, or through the Carly app on a smartphone.
Manual is better.
Dont think you can map the TCU with Ross Tech or Carly, you can just change basic settingsDSG remaps are available and often performed at the same time as engine remaps, or you can do it yourself using either Ross-tech cables and software, or through the Carly app on a smartphone.
Manual is better.
Don’t know if this threads still running skipped most of it. But I love the 6spd dsg in my 7R. Suits my driving style perfectly. Not owned anything with the zf8 but owned quite a few BMW’s and I’m quite happy with the dsg to be fair. Shifts seamlessly and effortless in mine, my cars been tuned so the dsg as been mapped etc, my car now holds revs for longer which is great and doesn’t up shift so urgently, get your dsg mapped doesn’t have to be the ecu just the gearbox and you will see the improvement! Saying that, even stock the car was great. You can’t just have your foot glued to the accelerator, you have to come off the loud pedal and work with the box, that probably don’t make sense, not sure how to even explain it lol but it suits me fine
chan61922 said:
Don’t know if this threads still running skipped most of it. But I love the 6spd dsg in my 7R. Suits my driving style perfectly. Not owned anything with the zf8 but owned quite a few BMW’s and I’m quite happy with the dsg to be fair. Shifts seamlessly and effortless in mine, my cars been tuned so the dsg as been mapped etc, my car now holds revs for longer which is great and doesn’t up shift so urgently, get your dsg mapped doesn’t have to be the ecu just the gearbox and you will see the improvement! Saying that, even stock the car was great. You can’t just have your foot glued to the accelerator, you have to come off the loud pedal and work with the box, that probably don’t make sense, not sure how to even explain it lol but it suits me fine
Yeah, but the thread is about the 7-speed box in the Mk7.5 not the 6-speed box in the Mk7(I too have a Mk7 with the 6-speed box and agree that it's fine, btw)
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