Calling Neil! (Golf question)

[pmanson]

Hi Mate,

Hope all is well with you?

I'm bumped into a mate the other day and got talking to him about his little project (Supercharged Corrado VR6) anyway the up shot of this is that his daily driver will be coming up for sale shortly.

Its a Mk3 Golf GTi 3 door in bright Red on a P plate. Its got 80k on the clock with a full VAG service history.

I can't for the life of me remember whether he wanted £2500 or £2800 for it.

Does that seem reasonable to you? I'm a bit out of touch with prices on the Mk3 (although they do seem to be coming down!)


Cheers mate,

Phill

[_Batty_]

TBH its a touch on the pricey side, but then a full VAG history could mean its life extended somewhat...
get along to www.edition38.com to compare some prices.
a well looked after car is worth it weight in gold mind
(i know im not Neil )
Matt

[pmanson]

Cheers Mate,

My current steed (93 L reg 1.8CL) is on 133k and still going strong!

Pretty much bomb proof. Mine needs a bit of work though:

New exhaust
Oil change
New windscreen
New discs and pads


Roll on pay day!

Phill

[_Batty_]

my Mk2 GTi 8v's on 132,000
just had a service and is running sweet as a nut..
valve stems need to be done soon, but nothing else is broke (touches wood )

[neil_cardiff]

pmanson said:

Hi Mate,

Hope all is well with you?

I'm bumped into a mate the other day and got talking to him about his little project (Supercharged Corrado VR6) anyway the up shot of this is that his daily driver will be coming up for sale shortly.

Its a Mk3 Golf GTi 3 door in bright Red on a P plate. Its got 80k on the clock with a full VAG service history.

I can't for the life of me remember whether he wanted £2500 or £2800 for it.

Does that seem reasonable to you? I'm a bit out of touch with prices on the Mk3 (although they do seem to be coming down!)


Cheers mate,

Phill

Christ almighty, he wants the earth doesn't he?

The thing to remember is:

To a Golf enthusiast, his car 'is' worth £2.5k

However, at the end of the day, it's only worth as much as the book says.

The problem with a lot of performance Golf owners is they see the mags, and the inflated prices within them, and think that they can get similar prices. However, if its a 8v, forget it - pay no more that £1.5k for it, a 16v a little more, and then - an only then - if its a mint VR6 think about paying £2.5k for it - Even mint Highline VR6s can struggle to get £3k.

I've accepted that I'll never get any return monetary wise from my Golf, and I'm just going to hang onto it until it dies - and rate it's going, I'll be drawing a pension before that happens. Its so reliable (touch wood) and fun that I would be crazy to get shot of it.

However, I'd never pay £2.5k for a Golf, unless I was COMPLETELY SURE that it was mint, had all the requisite work done (i.e Cambelt, shocks, bushes). You have a lot to replace on a car approaching 100k and it will cost you more in parts that you are used to at present (GTI parts seem to be just taht little bit more expensive).

If its a 8v, I'd look at building another years no claims and getting a 16v - the difference in insurance is negligible (you might as well try a quote now - you'll be surprised). Don't bother with a VR6 - the insurance is considerably more.

8v's are pants - I've not driven one - but if it has even less torque than mine then you'll be VERY fustrated. Power wise - forget it. Additionally, the 16v is lower, slightly stiffer, and far better all round. I'd be so bold as to say it was better than the VR6.

Hope that starts you off - what is it? A 8v or 16v?

If you wanna give me a call or something, just email me.

[pmanson]

I'll try and find out if its an 8v or 16v. I think its a 16v.

I've got a 1.8 8v and I want to try a 16v this time as my previous cars have all been underpowered 8v's!

I thought the price was a bit over the top (is that the understatement of the year?!?!)

My insurance of my current car is only £347 FC with protected NCD so I expect the GTi to be about £500 FC which isn't unreasonable.

All in all I probably don't want to spend more than £1800 on a new car. My car is pretty good so it will take a lot to warrant a change in the short term but i've always liked the look of the GTi's but £2500 is way to much money!

Next time I bump into him i'll ask him about it again.

Phill

[craggers]

Bought my 1998 mk3 8v GTi just before Xmas and it is excellent condition (FSH etc) with 70k on the clock for £2k.

So I think £2.5k is quite expensive really, you can alway haggle the price down.

[neil_cardiff]

pmanson said:

I'll try and find out if its an 8v or 16v. I think its a 16v.

I've got a 1.8 8v and I want to try a 16v this time as my previous cars have all been underpowered 8v's!

I thought the price was a bit over the top (is that the understatement of the year?!?!)

My insurance of my current car is only £347 FC with protected NCD so I expect the GTi to be about £500 FC which isn't unreasonable.

All in all I probably don't want to spend more than £1800 on a new car. My car is pretty good so it will take a lot to warrant a change in the short term but i've always liked the look of the GTi's but £2500 is way to much money!

Next time I bump into him i'll ask him about it again.

Phill

Bear in mind Mk3 GTIs are 2.0l engines - the 2.0l engine will be better than what you have - but not much. The 16v will be completely different.

Also the 16v is a pricey group 16 insurance - it is the same as an Alfa GTV 3.0 V6!

[pmanson]

neil_cardiff said:

Also the 16v is a pricey group 16 insurance - it is the same as an Alfa GTV 3.0 V6!

I've been quoted £1600 for an GTV 3.0 v6 and a similar price for a Golf VR6 (Although a Corrado VR6 comes in at £790!)

I may try calling about I was offered a Golf VR6 on a M plate with £133k for £1750 the other day (Room to barter there!)

[_Batty_]

bizarre
good old insurance companies.
Figure out of thin air.
for VW insurance try HIC, im only paying 250 on my mk2 GTI (21 4 years ncb)

[neil_cardiff]

pmanson said:

neil_cardiff said:

Also the 16v is a pricey group 16 insurance - it is the same as an Alfa GTV 3.0 V6!

I've been quoted £1600 for an GTV 3.0 v6 and a similar price for a Golf VR6 (Although a Corrado VR6 comes in at £790!)

I may try calling about I was offered a Golf VR6 on a M plate with £133k for £1750 the other day (Room to barter there!)

Some wierd pricing going on there - the Corrado by rights is always the more expensive to insure - faster, more desirable, more expensive to get parts for etc etc

I'd had bitten their arms off for a quote on a Corrado VR6 at that price - the Corrado being the much better car.

Don't bother with a VR6 unless you like bleeding money in fuel.

Insurers are a wierd bunch - my old Mk2 1.8GL was £50 more expensive to insure than a Mk2 GTI of any sorts, and the same as my current 16v - go figure that one out?

[SpaceCowboy]

neil_cardiff said:

...if its a 8v, forget it - pay no more that £1.5k for it, a 16v a little more, and then - an only then - if its a mint VR6 think about paying £2.5k for it - Even mint Highline VR6s can struggle to get £3k.

I have to say, having spent several months looking for a good VR6 without success, if you can find a mint one with good history and non-galactic mileage for £2.5K then I suggest you snap their arms off. Even more so for a Highline.

neil_cardiff said:

8v's are pants - I've not driven one - but if it has even less torque than mine then you'll be VERY fustrated. Power wise - forget it. Additionally, the 16v is lower, slightly stiffer, and far better all round. I'd be so bold as to say it was better than the VR6.

Pah! Blasphemy! Out of curiousity, have you driven a VR6? I definitely agree with what you said about fuel consumption though. Fortunately, I don't commute in mine, or else I'd have to remortgage.

[neil_cardiff]

SpaceCowboy said:

neil_cardiff said:

...if its a 8v, forget it - pay no more that £1.5k for it, a 16v a little more, and then - an only then - if its a mint VR6 think about paying £2.5k for it - Even mint Highline VR6s can struggle to get £3k.

I have to say, having spent several months looking for a good VR6 without success, if you can find a mint one with good history and non-galactic mileage for £2.5K then I suggest you snap their arms off. Even more so for a Highline.

neil_cardiff said:

8v's are pants - I've not driven one - but if it has even less torque than mine then you'll be VERY fustrated. Power wise - forget it. Additionally, the 16v is lower, slightly stiffer, and far better all round. I'd be so bold as to say it was better than the VR6.

Pah! Blasphemy! Out of curiousity, have you driven a VR6? I definitely agree with what you said about fuel consumption though. Fortunately, I don't commute in mine, or else I'd have to remortgage.

Fair enough - I may have been a bit low on VR6 estimates - but you get my drift...

Additionally, I've not driven a VR6, I'm trying not to, as I know I'll end up wanting one - that soundtrack just calls your name, however my reasons for thinking the 16v to be a better all round is due to the weight issue - that big heavy engine over the front wheels just doesn't help handling, and no amount of decents shocks is going to help it up against a well driven 16v.

On paper, the VR6 creams the 16v in a straight line, however, I think in give and take driving across A and B roads, the VR6 would have a very tough time. The 16v is a really undervalued car.

However, I'm willing for you show me the error of my ways - I'm frequently in Peterborough (am at this very minute) and would happily pop down to see your (what looks like) very tidy example

Edited by neil_cardiff on Tuesday 27th June 13:24

[SpaceCowboy]

No probs. You'll need to be quick though, as I'm finishing here on 7th July and heading to Northern Ireland that weekend.

PM me and perhaps we can sort something out.