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rcTT (Arsey TT?),
I think that most of the people on here don't drive a TT as they want something that is a) comparatively rare and b) interesting to drive and c) indulges their passion in cars. Any by that I don't just mean looking at them and driving them, I mean getting your hands dirty with them
If I wanted something Germanic, reliable and dare I say it, boring, I'd buy a Porsche.
TTs? Look nice in a jelly mould sort of way, nice interior but OMG the most boring engine. Even Audi have admitted this and stuck a V6 in it. Mind you it says somethign about the car when it gains over 50% capacity, 2 cylinders and is no faster than the 2 litre model. At least it might have a bit more character (and I don't mean in a bits-falling-off-and-breaking-down sort of way).
Rob
I think that most of the people on here don't drive a TT as they want something that is a) comparatively rare and b) interesting to drive and c) indulges their passion in cars. Any by that I don't just mean looking at them and driving them, I mean getting your hands dirty with them
If I wanted something Germanic, reliable and dare I say it, boring, I'd buy a Porsche.
TTs? Look nice in a jelly mould sort of way, nice interior but OMG the most boring engine. Even Audi have admitted this and stuck a V6 in it. Mind you it says somethign about the car when it gains over 50% capacity, 2 cylinders and is no faster than the 2 litre model. At least it might have a bit more character (and I don't mean in a bits-falling-off-and-breaking-down sort of way).
Rob
Now the TT is a great car, but I'm not going to stand by and have it compared in such a manner.
Firstly, no way Jose would a std TT keep up with a V8 TVR. Your TVR must have been sick. TT brakes are good, but they fade very quickly which unnerves me. 4wd is nice, but the ultimate grip is not much different - in the wet I slow down whatever I'm driving and have NEVER lost the TVR in the wet - even driving quickly. You can punt the TT along a windey road quicker because you're more confident getting near the limit of the TT. Same would apply for a Saxo VTS.
In 2002 our TT actually cost more to run than the TVR. Insurance is higher, and Audi servicing ain't cheap (don't forget things like brake fluid changes).
Also as for depreciation. We have a W reg'd 225C TT, Bose, Comp alloys - with 45k on it. Would get 15k trade if we're lucky, 17.5 private, 19k on the forecourt - 50% of new value in 3 years. The Chimaera is 8 years old and still worth 10k trade, 12.5 private, 15k forecourt. It cost 28k when new.
Reliability. See Audi Coil pack problems. I have never thought my TVR would not get to it's destination. TT repairs under warranty: Haldex ECU, temp gauge, 3 x handbrake handle trims (it's gone again now too), aircon control unit, headlamp washer pump, now the warranty has expired the aircon is making an awful noise - sounds like bearings in the generator.
Number of times AA called out 2 - once on the TT for a puncture and once on the TVR for a flat battery. Not the car's fault in either case (I knew the battery was shagged and should have replaced it).
Yes, the TT is stronger in an accident and quieter for day-to-day driving but just because TVRs didn't appeal to you, it doesn't make them crap cars.
T/.
P.S. I wouldn't say the same things about TVR reliability if I had a TVR engined TVR ... sorry guys.
Firstly, no way Jose would a std TT keep up with a V8 TVR. Your TVR must have been sick. TT brakes are good, but they fade very quickly which unnerves me. 4wd is nice, but the ultimate grip is not much different - in the wet I slow down whatever I'm driving and have NEVER lost the TVR in the wet - even driving quickly. You can punt the TT along a windey road quicker because you're more confident getting near the limit of the TT. Same would apply for a Saxo VTS.
In 2002 our TT actually cost more to run than the TVR. Insurance is higher, and Audi servicing ain't cheap (don't forget things like brake fluid changes).
Also as for depreciation. We have a W reg'd 225C TT, Bose, Comp alloys - with 45k on it. Would get 15k trade if we're lucky, 17.5 private, 19k on the forecourt - 50% of new value in 3 years. The Chimaera is 8 years old and still worth 10k trade, 12.5 private, 15k forecourt. It cost 28k when new.
Reliability. See Audi Coil pack problems. I have never thought my TVR would not get to it's destination. TT repairs under warranty: Haldex ECU, temp gauge, 3 x handbrake handle trims (it's gone again now too), aircon control unit, headlamp washer pump, now the warranty has expired the aircon is making an awful noise - sounds like bearings in the generator.
Number of times AA called out 2 - once on the TT for a puncture and once on the TVR for a flat battery. Not the car's fault in either case (I knew the battery was shagged and should have replaced it).
Yes, the TT is stronger in an accident and quieter for day-to-day driving but just because TVRs didn't appeal to you, it doesn't make them crap cars.
T/.
P.S. I wouldn't say the same things about TVR reliability if I had a TVR engined TVR ... sorry guys.
Never said TVR's didn't appeal - I got drawn into the 'dream' as a lot of people on here have. Just had a very bad experience. I also remember defending my TVR like hell against anything German and reliable when I had one. I still reckon in the 'real world' that an average journey of 100 miles cross country would be quicker in a TT than a Chimaera point-to point. But I guess that isn't the point is it? We all want different things from our cars. TVR have lots of noise, which I guess compensates for all the rest of the cr*p you have to put up with as an owner (as the posts in this forum clearly testify).
>> Edited by rcTT on Friday 18th July 16:32
>> Edited by rcTT on Friday 18th July 16:32
rcTT said:
Had a Chimaera 4.5 for 2 years and now own a 225 TT Coupe. The TT may not out-drag a Chimaera to 40/50mph but after that I found it FAR superior in mid-range and certainly over 120mph. Handling is in a totally different league as well (TVR corner and handle like a TT? - I don't think so...). The TVR also felt very light on the front end over 100mph (and that's WITHOUT power steering!) plus the brakes were sh*te. What about safety? Which car would you rather have a shunt in? TVR or TT? When I bought the TVR I'm afraid I got taken in by all the 'noise' and didn't see through the mickey-mouse kit car build quality and pre-historic engineering (Leak oil? Leak water? Rusting chassis rails? Overheat? Depreciate like a b*stard? - oh they all do that sir...). Servicing costs are crazy (certainly for an old Rover V8), dealer service is patchy and I hated the fact you didn't know if you were actually going to get to your destination or it wouldn't start (part of the fun?). Glad I got rid of it!
Just a little off the top and a number two round the back and sides please.
rcTT said:
Never said TVR's didn't appeal - I got drawn into the 'dream' as a lot of people on here have. Just had a very bad experience. I also remember defending my TVR like hell against anything German and reliable when I had one. I still reckon in the 'real world' that an average journey of 100 miles cross country would be quicker in a TT than a Chimaera point-to point. But I guess that isn't the point is it? We all want different things from our cars. TVR have lots of noise, which I guess compensates for all the rest of the cr*p you have to put up with as an owner (as the posts in this forum clearly testify).
>> Edited by rcTT on Friday 18th July 16:32
I agree that the performance of a TT is more accessable, but with a good driver a 4.5 chim would kill it accross country unless it was raining. The TT driver would spend 99% of his time fighting understeer and trying to guess what the front wheels are up to through the vaguest steering rack in the world.
N17 TVR said:
Would the TT have it's traction control switched off ?
They go better with it switched off ... bl00dy ESP cuts in just when you're trying to make a quick exit from a T junction. Good if you can't drive though - keeps you out of the hedge, but still doesn't allow you to defy the laws of physics (as my girlfriend found out once in the TT).
I've owned both 4litre Griff and a 4 lire Chim. I've never driven a TT. Looking at performnce figures you'd expect the Tiv to be a monster compared to the TT. Put you have to remeber that the handleing on the TIV is not the best for normal drivers. I mean you could prob get into a TT and drive your nuts off (again don't know cos I've not driven one, but they are german and Id expect it) and not really know you have the power. Yet in a TVR, with the noise, the firm ride and the neandatholic(can't spell) feel to the car, you can be driving at 5mph and you feel like your in warp drive 6.
Horses for courses. I personaly like the TT. I can't afford one... put if I could..I'd go for a newer TIV...just me I spose but I opnly do 5,000 miles a year.
Horses for courses. I personaly like the TT. I can't afford one... put if I could..I'd go for a newer TIV...just me I spose but I opnly do 5,000 miles a year.
rcTT said:Well, it depends. Mostly on the driver.
I still reckon in the 'real world' that an average journey of 100 miles cross country would be quicker in a TT than a Chimaera point-to point.
When I bought by Chimaera 500 almost 2 years ago, for the first 6 months I knew for a fact that I was faster point-to-point in the Corrado. It was more predicatable, exploitable (by me, at the time) and far more friendly.
Now 2 years on, me in the Chimaera would murder me in the Corrado, especially in the dry. My driving style has adapted to meet the different characteristics of the TVR, I am more confident in the handling and power of my TVR, and a session with MadCop on overtaking technique and a brush-up on my IAM observantion techniques means I'm even faster and safer now.
No, I'm sorry. If you were faster point-to-point in your TT than your TVR then you just hadn't upped your game enough to deal with a TVR. Sorry mate.
Don't forget, you are not always in the right gear to nail it at the right time!!, If you were in 4th for example in a tiv following a TT in 2nd and they went for it you would struggle to catch up!! even when you dropped a few gears, in the time taken to do that they would have got good momentum and it would be hard to catch them. This is probably why people come on here and say they struggled against an average car in the tiv so there must be a problem!!!, gears and timing make all the difference regardless of power!!!
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