B8 S4 Ownership
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Yeah would be the ridiculous tax 
But in the grand scheme of things it's not the end of the world.
Shame that the Audi spec-check line has now closed (AFAIK) - be interesting to get some info about it. They may have even known when it was built, and why a manual was registered so late. Not sure where else I could find out. I can't imagine my local Audi are open, yet alone willing to help!
But in the grand scheme of things it's not the end of the world. Shame that the Audi spec-check line has now closed (AFAIK) - be interesting to get some info about it. They may have even known when it was built, and why a manual was registered so late. Not sure where else I could find out. I can't imagine my local Audi are open, yet alone willing to help!
bungle said:
Shame that the Audi spec-check line has now closed (AFAIK) - be interesting to get some info about it.
What I can see/not see:No ADS options, no memory seats/electric folding mirrors, no pano roof
Supersports seats
Potato peeler wheel upgrade
Tech Pack High
B&O
Pimp tints (no blinds)
Parking sensors both ends (fronts were an option)
Cazana shows an ad from Jan 2016...
EF13KAK Audi S4
Car awaiting Prep
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Stunning drivers car in great conditions metallic moonlight blue with Black/Silver Silk Nappa leather embossed interior, HDD Sat Nav, 3 Spoke mulitifuction steering wheel,Colour Drivers information system MMI, Parking sensors front and rear,Elecric seats with lumbar support,Dab Digital Radio,Bluetooth,Aluminimum heated door mirrors,Led running lights,fog lights, and BANG & OLUFSEN SOUND SYSTEM
"Aluminimum"!!
EF13KAK Audi S4
Car awaiting Prep
S4 AVANT 3.0 TFSI V6 333PS QUATTRO
Stunning drivers car in great conditions metallic moonlight blue with Black/Silver Silk Nappa leather embossed interior, HDD Sat Nav, 3 Spoke mulitifuction steering wheel,Colour Drivers information system MMI, Parking sensors front and rear,Elecric seats with lumbar support,Dab Digital Radio,Bluetooth,Aluminimum heated door mirrors,Led running lights,fog lights, and BANG & OLUFSEN SOUND SYSTEM
"Aluminimum"!!
bungle said:
Been a while since I've had one now, but always get tempted back, so I'm always on the look-out...
Saw a manual on a 13 plate - I thought they stopped making manuals well before that, so seemed odd. Or have I got that wrong?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Exactly the same here except I'm after a manual saloon - if I wanted a wagon I'd be off to see that one though, looks great!Saw a manual on a 13 plate - I thought they stopped making manuals well before that, so seemed odd. Or have I got that wrong?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
If you want manual + 4WD there really isn't a lot around these days... I'm still in an M135i which is flawed but loveable in many ways, it's just a pain if the roads are not dry though. The S3 is the obvious answer but somehow can't quite get excited about owning one and am concerned the ride would be too firm - Golf R is possible, I owned one for a while but with 19s and no DCC I found the ride brutal and wasn't convinced how well built it was.
If they made an M340i with a manual that would be ideal - time to write to BMW
mrdanbartlett said:
Ok becuase I'm a bit of a nerd, I made this table:
Of course it's rough so give or take the weight/power figures. I'd not remap a M5/M6 as traction would just be a huge issue IMO.
Rules out the s7 as being worthwhile replacement for me really.
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to stick with the S5 I currently have.Of course it's rough so give or take the weight/power figures. I'd not remap a M5/M6 as traction would just be a huge issue IMO.
Rules out the s7 as being worthwhile replacement for me really.
Running a Revo stage 1, there isn't many other cars in the market that give the practicaltiy. the performance and the sure footedness for the money.
Dr G has said on more than one occasion that the S4/5 models are the sweet spot in the range of Audi models, and I can't really disagree with him. The more I look at other cars, I just think I'm going to end up in something different, with very similar performance, but it's cost me £15-20k for the privelidge, which after the first 3 months honeymoon period may turn to regret!
GroundZero said:
With regards to a remap on a B8 S4, is it considered reliable, if doing nothing else to upgrade the car?
Or does a remap imply that you are also upgrading the S/C pulley and/or additional engine upgrades?
Seems so, just from what I hear go with Revo, APR or MRC and not some TDI tuning box thingy. (open to correction!).Or does a remap imply that you are also upgrading the S/C pulley and/or additional engine upgrades?
Stage 2 is the pully etc but not much more of a gain and IMO you'd want to do the brakes then too.
I think as long as you aren't driving very hard for long periods then the remap is fine, but if you have an auto and are doing alot of hard/track driving then you might worry about the gearbox and the cost to fix it. A friend had a mapped S4 and the DSG gearbox went on it, but he was doing trackdays and alot of spirited driving.
mrdanbartlett said:
I think as long as you aren't driving very hard for long periods then the remap is fine, but if you have an auto and are doing alot of hard/track driving then you might worry about the gearbox and the cost to fix it. A friend had a mapped S4 and the DSG gearbox went on it, but he was doing trackdays and alot of spirited driving.
Did he have the DSG mapped as well? I'm idly contemplating stage 1 for my car's 5th birthday as it will also be out of warranty
The DSG remap is interesting as it raises the gearbox rev limit - CREC DSG boxes change up way before the red line even in manual/sport. My gut feeling is that a DSG remap isn't a sensible long-term proposition...
silentbrown said:
Did he have the DSG mapped as well?
I'm idly contemplating stage 1 for my car's 5th birthday as it will also be out of warranty The DSG remap is interesting as it raises the gearbox rev limit - CREC DSG boxes change up way before the red line even in manual/sport.
My gut feeling is that a DSG remap isn't a sensible long-term proposition...
My previous S5 was Revo Stage 1+ (map plus a supercharger pulley) and the difference was around 340 up to 480 BHP, so very noticable and boy did it shift.I'm idly contemplating stage 1 for my car's 5th birthday as it will also be out of warranty
The DSG remap is interesting as it raises the gearbox rev limit - CREC DSG boxes change up way before the red line even in manual/sport. My gut feeling is that a DSG remap isn't a sensible long-term proposition...
When I got my 2016 MY (CREC engine) the option from Revo was (is) only just a remap, however it took the car from 340 to 410 on 97 RON fuel. Being totally honest, it still feels really quick, and I doubt they'd be much in it between the old car and the new one.
I didn't have the DSG mapped, it raises the rev limit of the red line to achieve more power, but I really didnt want to do that for the sake of an extra 10-15 bhp that high up the range. I prefer to not stress the engine for the sake of the small gains to be had, nor run the risk of upsetting the DSG software without reason.
MRC do offer a pulley and map as a package, it takes the CREC car to around 485bhp, but I've had Revo software on 2 different S3' and now 2 S5's and over 10 years of running the various cars, I;ve had zero issues caused by software,
I don't rag the car anywhere, it gets warmed up properly using the oil temp gauge on the dash, and I havent trakced it. I just use it for overtaking power, and acceleration when needed.
Love it.
Edited by MattS5 on Wednesday 27th May 16:39
My S4 has a Revo stage 1 which takes it to a claimed 400hp+.
I didn't go for the stage 1+ with pulley swap but have the option of doing so at just the 'upgrade' price (about £80), although it would need the pulley etc. on top. But I think the stage 1 is a good setup and makes it like it should have been from the factory - Audi probably held them back to 'protect' RS4 sales? - 400hp maybe less than an RS4 but the S4 makes better torque and so performs about the same and without revving as high, so giving better fuel consumption and less maintenance.
I also have the SPS programmer so can switch between 4 maps via the OBD port; standard plus performance 1, 2 or 3 (fuel dependent). I run performance 2 which is for 99 octane but p1 (95 octane) doesn't really feel any different and I have always run super unleaded anyway even before the remap, but I like that I can switch it back to standard if I want to and that is the main reason I went with Revo rather than a custom map.
Also worth knowing that if the battery is ever disconnected/runs flat then the Revo ECU defaults to the standard map so you need to be able to reprogram or take it to a Revo garage - another reason to have the SPS.
In all honesty it doesn't really feel any different on the stage 1 tune apart from (obviously) being a bit quicker - as in it runs as smooth, idles the same, passes MOT emissions etc. and fuel consumption appears to be the same, if driven the same, maybe even better (or am I just getting old?).
Most normal driving doesn't use all the power all the time anyway so doubtful that much, if any extra wear or servicing is required and this is another reason I didn't go for a higher state of tune (pulley swap etc.) as I think that may affect longevity and it's not so easy to change back.
I didn't do the DSG remap as I don't think higher rev limit/higher launch control speed is that good an idea and it seems to be fine with the standard gearbox setup anyway.
And, IMO 400hp seems to be 'enough' for a sensible family estate car, sweet spot indeed.
I didn't go for the stage 1+ with pulley swap but have the option of doing so at just the 'upgrade' price (about £80), although it would need the pulley etc. on top. But I think the stage 1 is a good setup and makes it like it should have been from the factory - Audi probably held them back to 'protect' RS4 sales? - 400hp maybe less than an RS4 but the S4 makes better torque and so performs about the same and without revving as high, so giving better fuel consumption and less maintenance.
I also have the SPS programmer so can switch between 4 maps via the OBD port; standard plus performance 1, 2 or 3 (fuel dependent). I run performance 2 which is for 99 octane but p1 (95 octane) doesn't really feel any different and I have always run super unleaded anyway even before the remap, but I like that I can switch it back to standard if I want to and that is the main reason I went with Revo rather than a custom map.
Also worth knowing that if the battery is ever disconnected/runs flat then the Revo ECU defaults to the standard map so you need to be able to reprogram or take it to a Revo garage - another reason to have the SPS.
In all honesty it doesn't really feel any different on the stage 1 tune apart from (obviously) being a bit quicker - as in it runs as smooth, idles the same, passes MOT emissions etc. and fuel consumption appears to be the same, if driven the same, maybe even better (or am I just getting old?).
Most normal driving doesn't use all the power all the time anyway so doubtful that much, if any extra wear or servicing is required and this is another reason I didn't go for a higher state of tune (pulley swap etc.) as I think that may affect longevity and it's not so easy to change back.
I didn't do the DSG remap as I don't think higher rev limit/higher launch control speed is that good an idea and it seems to be fine with the standard gearbox setup anyway.
And, IMO 400hp seems to be 'enough' for a sensible family estate car, sweet spot indeed.
catso said:
Also worth knowing that if the battery is ever disconnected/runs flat then the Revo ECU defaults to the standard map so you need to be able to reprogram or take it to a Revo garage - another reason to have the SPS
Cheers. That's a bit of a concern as there's no SPS option for the CREC remap... MattS5 said:
silentbrown said:
Cheers. That's a bit of a concern as there's no SPS option for the CREC remap...
I’ve never heard that about the battery swap. Might be worth a call/ email to Revo to double check. It might be model specific.
Whatever the situation, with the SPS whilst you can change the setting, it doesn't tell you what setting it's on so the only way to be sure is to load/reload the setting again.
Assume a Revo dealer can tell as they do it via a laptop...
Had a watch of a couple of videos on the SPS plug-in option for a remap, but it didn't fully explain how it works.
As I understand it nearly all modern car ECU's are constantly on a "learning program" to always detect the fuel in use, the environment conditions and also the style of driving ; all to 'tune' within its mapping parameters for best economy vs performance as seen fit by the original Audi programmers.
So when the SPS is plugged in it seems as though it installs a map of sorts. The vids that I watched simply mentioned that it maps for the fuel octane. But does it do anything else?
Is it a performance map for that octane or is it an economy map for that octane?
But more importantly, wouldn't the "learning" ability of the car's ECU start to overwrite it as you go on with your driving?
As I understand it nearly all modern car ECU's are constantly on a "learning program" to always detect the fuel in use, the environment conditions and also the style of driving ; all to 'tune' within its mapping parameters for best economy vs performance as seen fit by the original Audi programmers.
So when the SPS is plugged in it seems as though it installs a map of sorts. The vids that I watched simply mentioned that it maps for the fuel octane. But does it do anything else?
Is it a performance map for that octane or is it an economy map for that octane?
But more importantly, wouldn't the "learning" ability of the car's ECU start to overwrite it as you go on with your driving?
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