What on earth is happening to Griffith prices?

What on earth is happening to Griffith prices?

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MikeE

1,831 posts

284 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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a few more mid-£20K pre-cats have appeared in the classified section in the last couple of weeks, it looks like the pre-cats are starting to be appreciated a little more??

TV8

3,122 posts

175 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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There are some nice cars for sale at the moment. Some look like they have been up for sale for awhile though.

urquattroGus

1,847 posts

190 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Not a god time to sell any car at the moment seemingly.

rigga

8,731 posts

201 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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urquattroGus said:
Not a god time to sell any car at the moment seemingly.
Always been the same for convertibles, autumn/winter selling good for buyers, spring/summer good for sellers.

urquattroGus

1,847 posts

190 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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rigga said:
urquattroGus said:
Not a god time to sell any car at the moment seemingly.
Always been the same for convertibles, autumn/winter selling good for buyers, spring/summer good for sellers.
Yes but many cars have been for sale since March/April or earlier and still not sold.

Obviously everything has a price, prices are coming down and people must be realistic, but still.

Things are pretty uncertain I suppose.

Simpo Two

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85,463 posts

265 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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urquattroGus said:
Things are pretty uncertain I suppose.
I don't buy much of this 'uncertainty' thing, assuming you mean Brexit. If you live in the UK, buy and sell in GBP and don't rely on EU funds/grants for income then it's business as usual IMHO. If you want the car, buy it before someone else does!

Moose v8

204 posts

66 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Yes, it's only the profit which makes it dear. You can't take it with you after being knocked of my bike while cycling to work lying unconscious puts things in prospective on the plus ➕ side have insurance compensation will help Griff get finished. Apologies for going off topic

Toprivetguns

4 posts

55 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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I've been watching the scene for a while ready to pounce on the right car. A black V plate 500 was sold at auction recently for 18k and can now be found from a dealer for 23k. The restored pre-cats seem to range between 26k-30k. I've never researched this much whilst looking for my next classic, however it must be said I'm really enjoying meeting other enthusiasts.





anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 5th October 2019
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If you find a good one , you'll love it.

I'm into year three and would not dream of selling mine.

hillclimbmanic

612 posts

144 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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Due to personal problems, I tried to sell my '92 400 pre-cat nut and bolt restoration, for offers over £15k.
Other than a few nibbles, the few people that were interested, were overwhelmed by finishing the interior, and painting the car, if they didn't like the(temporary) wrap!
The car was registered the same time as the Earls Court Car, being 7 digits away from the EC car,re: the plate, and considered to be the 8th car off the line.

I have spent £25k,(including the £10k purchase price), not including the labour done by us, 95%, at the workshop.

Thankfully, I have decided to finish and keep it, now...











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Edited by hillclimbmanic on Wednesday 9th October 14:46

BIG DUNC

1,918 posts

223 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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Finish it. it looks lovely.

I finished my early pre-cat body off 18 months ago, and those pictures just bought back memories.

wargriff

1,890 posts

202 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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hillclimbmanic said:
Due to personal problems, I tried to sell my '92 400 pre-cat nut and bolt restoration, for offers over £15k.
Other than a few nibbles, the few people that were interested, were overwhelmed by finishing the interior, and painting the car, if they didn't like the(temporary) wrap!
The car was registered the same time as the Earls Court Car, being 7 digits away from the EC car,re: the plate, and considered to be the 8th car off the line.

I have spent £25k,(including the £10k purchase price), not including the labour done by us, 95%, at the workshop.

Thankfully, I have decided to finish and keep it, now...











Edited by hillclimbmanic on Wednesday 9th October 14:08


Edited by hillclimbmanic on Wednesday 9th October 14:46
Car looks fantastic, lots of hard work done. Glad you will be keeping it to enjoy.
When was it registered, as I am keen to know where my own sits in the build order. Mine was 24th Jan 1992.

geeman237

1,233 posts

185 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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wargriff said:
Car looks fantastic, lots of hard work done. Glad you will be keeping it to enjoy.
When was it registered, as I am keen to know where my own sits in the build order. Mine was 24th Jan 1992.
Check out this link with a list of the known early Griffiths. I think you had contributed. I compiled the list, but can't vouch for complete accuracy.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...


neutral 3

6,492 posts

170 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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BJWoods said:
very hard to compare like for like,especially after all this time..

I had a totally standard 4.3 for 6 years from new, and directly replaced it with a totally standard 500..
Noise wise sounded very similar (tiny bit less volume in 500 (a good thing - on long drives)
and I specced my new 500 with PAS, and it is much better for it.. imho
If you eve lose the back end in a griff. it is MUCH easier to catch it with the PAS rack....
power wise
a good 4.3 265-275 bp ish?
a good 500, 270-280 bhp ish?
(again, everything totally original) and a bit more torque

Mine is a late 500,(Oct 98) and I always felt it handled much better than my 4.3.. Early 500s very similar to 4.3s

Again that is just my opinion/experience on two cars that I know for certain were totally standard/OEM.

(wrt PAS, you eed to try one, they ddo not feel super light like modern cars, you might not even feel like it has PAS, until you drive one without and try to park it at low speeds)
500 All day long !!
The non pas set up is orrible, too slow / too heavy.
The PAS set up is crap, far too light / lacking in feel, but it's easier to catch it when it does let go.
The finest steering I've ever had is the E46 M3 CSLs rack......Perfection...

dhutch

14,388 posts

197 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Few months from the last post.

Lots of interesting times at the moment, factors affecting peoples willingness to spend, factors changing the way people own cars. Will be really interesting to see what happens long term to the value of these sorts of car.

hillclimbmanic said:
Due to personal problems, I tried to sell my '92 400 pre-cat nut and bolt restoration, for offers over £15k.
I am hugely ignorant on the topic, but from what I have seen from a few years casual observations that appears a very good price depending on the work left and or if anything is missing.


Daniel

8Speed

730 posts

66 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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I reckon that there might be a period of price increases in the Spring when the weather improves & some reckon that these cars can only be enjoyed for the next few years (if you believe the low hanging fruit government policy towards ICE cars).
Who knows if we'll be able to run these cars in 15 years but maybe now's the time to make the best of them.

dhutch

14,388 posts

197 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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The long term availability of fuel, and or even being allowed to use IC engine cars on the road is a question mark.

However the sale of the last IC engine car is indeed 2035, and I can see it being pushed back further at least for certain applications, then a 15-20 year life span would mean significant reduction in IC engine cars from about 2050. Which sounds miles away, but is actually going to come round fairly fast and within most people on hers lifetime, I will be in my 60's. Changing times indeed, but equally as a child my dad, now in his 60's remember steam trains in public service.

But yes. We have an coal fired steam boat as well as an open fire, and like the heritage railway lines are wondering what the significance drive to reduce coal burning in power stations and domestic homes will do to our supply of suitable coal.

Daniel

Simpo Two

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85,463 posts

265 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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dhutch said:
But yes. We have an coal fired steam boat as well as an open fire, and like the heritage railway lines are wondering what the significance drive to reduce coal burning in power stations and domestic homes will do to our supply of suitable coal.
A friend of mine drives a heritage steam train in Holland, a country apparently hotter on carbons than G. thunbergensis. He is not sure if the train will be allowed to operate much longer.