1995 Griffith 500 restoration

1995 Griffith 500 restoration

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Polly Grigora

11,209 posts

109 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Polly Grigora said:
I'd be concerned about the bezel possibly spinning around the body of the clock if attempting to use a lathe to cut it
Above was posted while under the influence of red wine

You know

Stick Legs

4,910 posts

165 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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A modelling trick when you finish a kit and remove the masking to find dust inside the canopy is to use a brush to create static to draw the debris away from view, ideally toward a hole in the bottom.

A more aggressive tactic is to pop in some small plastic beads or similar & agitate whilst vacuuming the available hole.

Not sure if this will work but it is another line of enquiry.

I also once ‘repaired’ a waterlogged Smiths rev counter by popping it in the oven an bringing the oven up to about 80 degrees C.
It still worked and was now dry.

My experience doesn’t always constitute advice.

Polly Grigora

11,209 posts

109 months

Tuesday 31st October 2023
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Stick Legs - Good one, thought about static but had no idea how to create it

RobXjcoupe

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3,173 posts

91 months

Tuesday 31st October 2023
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Stick Legs

4,910 posts

165 months

Tuesday 31st October 2023
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How?

We need answers!

RobXjcoupe

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3,173 posts

91 months

Tuesday 31st October 2023
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Stick Legs said:
How?

We need answers!
Mounted in a lathe chuck, clocked up, parting tool used to carefully cut away the flanged part of the bezel. Proper squeaky bum time as no room for mistakes.
Sharpened a small flat blade screwdriver to a point to gently prise off the bezel.
Popped it off, cleaned up the clock face and job done.


sixor8

6,293 posts

268 months

Tuesday 31st October 2023
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You'd have a secondary income I reckon, doing that to the analogue speedometers (Chimaeras and Cerberas too). wink

So many of them stick eventually, and it's getting the bezel off without butchering it that's the main problem.

Stick Legs

4,910 posts

165 months

Tuesday 31st October 2023
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RobXjcoupe said:
Mounted in a lathe chuck, clocked up, parting tool used to carefully cut away the flanged part of the bezel. Proper squeaky bum time as no room for mistakes.
Sharpened a small flat blade screwdriver to a point to gently prise off the bezel.
Popped it off, cleaned up the clock face and job done.
Very neat.

Polly Grigora

11,209 posts

109 months

Tuesday 31st October 2023
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RobXjcoupe said:

RobXjcoupe said:
Mounted in a lathe chuck, clocked up, parting tool used to carefully cut away the flanged part of the bezel. Proper squeaky bum time as no room for mistakes.
Sharpened a small flat blade screwdriver to a point to gently prise off the bezel.
Popped it off, cleaned up the clock face and job done.
You have got to be feeling good

Have witnessed a few near on impossible fixes throughout my life, your fix is now added

Perfection



RobXjcoupe

Original Poster:

3,173 posts

91 months

Tuesday 31st October 2023
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Polly Grigora said:
RobXjcoupe said:

RobXjcoupe said:
Mounted in a lathe chuck, clocked up, parting tool used to carefully cut away the flanged part of the bezel. Proper squeaky bum time as no room for mistakes.
Sharpened a small flat blade screwdriver to a point to gently prise off the bezel.
Popped it off, cleaned up the clock face and job done.
You have got to be feeling good

Have witnessed a few near on impossible fixes throughout my life, your fix is now added

Perfection
That made me smile smile

Polly Grigora

11,209 posts

109 months

Tuesday 31st October 2023
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RobXjcoupe said:
That made me smile smile
You've got me smiling

RobXjcoupe

Original Poster:

3,173 posts

91 months

Tuesday 31st October 2023
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sixor8 said:
You'd have a secondary income I reckon, doing that to the analogue speedometers (Chimaeras and Cerberas too). wink

So many of them stick eventually, and it's getting the bezel off without butchering it that's the main problem.
The Griff and chimaera dials are just rehashed old Jaguar items. New chrome chamfered bezels are available for Jaguar dials. If the TVR bezels are damaged at removal they can be replaced with a Jaguar part. I’ve just tried to keep my Griff dials looking original where possible and on a tiny budget.

sixor8

6,293 posts

268 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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RobXjcoupe said:
sixor8 said:
You'd have a secondary income I reckon, doing that to the analogue speedometers (Chimaeras and Cerberas too). wink

So many of them stick eventually, and it's getting the bezel off without butchering it that's the main problem.
The Griff and chimaera dials are just rehashed old Jaguar items. New chrome chamfered bezels are available for Jaguar dials. If the TVR bezels are damaged at removal they can be replaced with a Jaguar part. I’ve just tried to keep my Griff dials looking original where possible and on a tiny budget.
Yes, I've noticed the similarity with Jag items (highlighted by you I think?), chrome 100mm bezels are available in several place, but the instruments in the Griff have aluminium bezels. Both Caerbont and JDO say they aren't available as stand-alone items, but since they construct new ones, and JDO repair them, they must be! Methinks they don't want to release them. frown

RobXjcoupe

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3,173 posts

91 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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sixor8 said:
RobXjcoupe said:
sixor8 said:
You'd have a secondary income I reckon, doing that to the analogue speedometers (Chimaeras and Cerberas too). wink

So many of them stick eventually, and it's getting the bezel off without butchering it that's the main problem.
The Griff and chimaera dials are just rehashed old Jaguar items. New chrome chamfered bezels are available for Jaguar dials. If the TVR bezels are damaged at removal they can be replaced with a Jaguar part. I’ve just tried to keep my Griff dials looking original where possible and on a tiny budget.
Yes, I've noticed the similarity with Jag items (highlighted by you I think?), chrome 100mm bezels are available in several place, but the instruments in the Griff have aluminium bezels. Both Caerbont and JDO say they aren't available as stand-alone items, but since they construct new ones, and JDO repair them, they must be! Methinks they don't want to release them. frown
Indeed but if they made them available repairs could be made elsewhere. I originally contacted Caerbont to buy a new temp gauge but they wasn’t interested, just want to sell me a new complete set of gauges.
Being greedy I think.

RobXjcoupe

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3,173 posts

91 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Polly Grigora said:
RobXjcoupe said:
That made me smile smile
You've got me smiling
I did read your factory wonderings.
Totally agree lots of pointless morning meetings. Jaguar had far more management staff involved than the Ford equivalent.
Press shop production didn’t like toolroom boys telling them to hurry up as we need a line for try out. Press shop supervisors were a mixed ability bunch. Best meeting was a particular supervisor losing his ste because he didn’t understand the engineering, basically stood up told everyone he was the only man in the room that could lift 250lb then stormed out?! Higher management were speechless and one of our toolmakers who was a big fella simply said he could lift 250lb but could we just make sure the panels numbers are completed for lunchtime so we could set our tools. smile

RobXjcoupe

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3,173 posts

91 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Changed the bulb for the clock. Very subtle difference but worth it I think. Top picture uses a forward facing led bulb, 2nd picture uses a side facing led bulb which is a greener light also. Below shows the two versions of the bulb.

I think I can call it a day with the bulbs and dials now.

sixor8

6,293 posts

268 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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RobXjcoupe said:
Indeed but if they made them available repairs could be made elsewhere. I originally contacted Caerbont to buy a new temp gauge but they wasn’t interested, just want to sell me a new complete set of gauges.
Being greedy I think.
I'm a little surprised they would only sell a set. The individual gauges are in their catalogue (under Chimaera and Griff, they are the same):

https://www.smiths-instruments.co.uk/products/tvr-...

They also available with striped logo if required.

If a Chimaera or Griff analogue speed completely packs in, the digital ones don't have the oil & ignition warning lamps in so a new rev counter would be needed too. I asked...... They're £185 and £195 each respectively. Plus VAT and P+P no doubt. frown

RobXjcoupe

Original Poster:

3,173 posts

91 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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sixor8 said:
RobXjcoupe said:
Indeed but if they made them available repairs could be made elsewhere. I originally contacted Caerbont to buy a new temp gauge but they wasn’t interested, just want to sell me a new complete set of gauges.
Being greedy I think.
I'm a little surprised they would only sell a set. The individual gauges are in their catalogue (under Chimaera and Griff, they are the same):

https://www.smiths-instruments.co.uk/products/tvr-...

They also available with striped logo if required.

If a Chimaera or Griff analogue speed completely packs in, the digital ones don't have the oil & ignition warning lamps in so a new rev counter would be needed too. I asked...... They're £185 and £195 each respectively. Plus VAT and P+P no doubt. frown
I originally asked if I could purchase red faced dials as a replacement set rather than match old with new. Was told not currently doing custom dials only colours available was what’s advertised on the website. Couldn’t justify the cost of a complete new set in black, white or cream again hence I repaired what I had using green backlights as the difference, which matches an Alpine headunit and the green lit Jaguar s-type heated seat switches.




Matthew Poxon

5,329 posts

173 months

Saturday 4th November 2023
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Looking good Rob, enjoying following this. Loving the attention to detail.

Mighty Flex

901 posts

171 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Always an interesting read when I see new posts in here.

We did have a conversation about interior work by email, but this may be useful to others:

I investigated my interior a bit better and my best estimate is that it was originally biscuit, but has been sprayed (with varied levels of attention) doeskin or magnolia. It comes off very quickly back to the original colour with cellulose thinners, so this has got me thinking about returning it and then patching what is left with more care and attention.

I have the early type seats with the flat base- would it just be straightforward forward to change to the later seat base style as part of a refurbishment? That said, I have tried a mx5 seat in place of the tvr one and it is so much better...

I expect I'm not alone in having a wrinkly dash: it's full leather an I expect it may have shrunk, is there a way to save it? I have wondered if it will relax with a feed?




My dials are also looking a bit battered (black rings) so it's good to see what can be done without resorting to new.