£15k- Jag XF V6 Diesel or?
Discussion
Hello.
I am considering buying a 2014-15 jag XF with the 3.0 v6 diesel for work purposes (30k miles a year) it looks like you can get a decent one with 50-70k for anywhere between £12.5-15k. I don't know anything about the engine/reliability so just wondered if anyone could shed some light? I'd plan to keep it for 2-3 years until it was on around 150k.
Any other options also welcome, only criteria is 250+ bhp, comfy and auto. My company pays for fuel so economy not really an issue but I don't want to take the piss!
I am considering buying a 2014-15 jag XF with the 3.0 v6 diesel for work purposes (30k miles a year) it looks like you can get a decent one with 50-70k for anywhere between £12.5-15k. I don't know anything about the engine/reliability so just wondered if anyone could shed some light? I'd plan to keep it for 2-3 years until it was on around 150k.
Any other options also welcome, only criteria is 250+ bhp, comfy and auto. My company pays for fuel so economy not really an issue but I don't want to take the piss!
Consistently rated in the top 3 least reliable car manufacturers, I wouldn't consider one for that kind of usage personally.
This would be a nice companion for that kind of mileage. Far better engine and much nicer inside than the XF
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209240...
This would be a nice companion for that kind of mileage. Far better engine and much nicer inside than the XF
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209240...
My partner has bought a 3.0 Portfolio for work. Whilst it's true Jaguar have some reliability issues, they are almost exclusively confined to the 2.0 Ingenium engine. On the XF 3.0, you only really have the door latches which are a probability. Most electrical gremlins are as a result of a weak battery, which I would urge you not to change yourself. I've heard of people blowing up thier BCM by not following the correct procedure.
The car itself is a very nice thing, being quiet and refined, whilst also offering a significant turn of speed when asked. Do check that service history is complete, as more costly service items like Fuel Filter and drive belt often get skipped by those who can afford to buy but not maintain.
The car itself is a very nice thing, being quiet and refined, whilst also offering a significant turn of speed when asked. Do check that service history is complete, as more costly service items like Fuel Filter and drive belt often get skipped by those who can afford to buy but not maintain.
For motorway miles, and the journeys you're doing, that engine will be lovely.
Bear in mind it's going to be Euro V at that age, so won't be welcome in the ULEZ within Edinburgh (soon), London, Bristol, etc. However, that engine is lovely; monumental amounts of shove, but if you drive with the flow in lane 1 / 2, you'll see 50+mpg out of it. Equally, it has a lot more shove than you'd expect; certainly if you need to overtake on a single-carriageway A-road, it's effortless.
I've got the pre-facelift 2009 XF-S; I've seen 55mpg. Although, I've had a few annoying gremlins; the weak doorlocks for instance (Both rear doors failed, one causing a flat battery when camping - gah!). That incident seriously weakened the battery - as with any lead-acid, they really hate being run flat. So a new battery shortly after. I've also suffered, sadly, DPF failure on mine. However, looking around, that's really not too common so I'm willing to chalk that up as "just diesel things" rather than specifically "Oh, classic JLR!"
I really appreciate how much it's a bit jeckyll and hyde. In normal mode, and the gearbox in D, it's very smooth, with slurred gearshifts and a comfortable ride. Pop the suspension in dynamic and the gearbox in S, it'll blip the throttle for upshifts, and downshifts come with a jolt. So equally it's at home being a respectful cruiser for the in-laws, or if you're on your own looking at a wiggly B-road, it's got a bit of werewithal about it. Okay, it's probably not as good as a 3-series at tearing up some bends, but at least the sport modes are different to just shortening the travel of the throttle!
I'm currently shopping to replace mine; ULEZ expansion isn't my friend. Struggling to find something which has armchair-like seats, a monstrous stereo, so much power as to make it irrelevant (for daily use on motorways and around traffic).
Bear in mind it's going to be Euro V at that age, so won't be welcome in the ULEZ within Edinburgh (soon), London, Bristol, etc. However, that engine is lovely; monumental amounts of shove, but if you drive with the flow in lane 1 / 2, you'll see 50+mpg out of it. Equally, it has a lot more shove than you'd expect; certainly if you need to overtake on a single-carriageway A-road, it's effortless.
I've got the pre-facelift 2009 XF-S; I've seen 55mpg. Although, I've had a few annoying gremlins; the weak doorlocks for instance (Both rear doors failed, one causing a flat battery when camping - gah!). That incident seriously weakened the battery - as with any lead-acid, they really hate being run flat. So a new battery shortly after. I've also suffered, sadly, DPF failure on mine. However, looking around, that's really not too common so I'm willing to chalk that up as "just diesel things" rather than specifically "Oh, classic JLR!"
I really appreciate how much it's a bit jeckyll and hyde. In normal mode, and the gearbox in D, it's very smooth, with slurred gearshifts and a comfortable ride. Pop the suspension in dynamic and the gearbox in S, it'll blip the throttle for upshifts, and downshifts come with a jolt. So equally it's at home being a respectful cruiser for the in-laws, or if you're on your own looking at a wiggly B-road, it's got a bit of werewithal about it. Okay, it's probably not as good as a 3-series at tearing up some bends, but at least the sport modes are different to just shortening the travel of the throttle!
I'm currently shopping to replace mine; ULEZ expansion isn't my friend. Struggling to find something which has armchair-like seats, a monstrous stereo, so much power as to make it irrelevant (for daily use on motorways and around traffic).
I very nearly bought a 3.0S (the higher powered version of the diesel) recently but couldn't find one I was entirely happy with. I looked at alternatived including the 640D but ended up with a Mercedes E350 coupe, and am over the moon with it. They appear to have a much better reliability reputation than the 3.0 Jag engine which can sufer with the snapped crank problem although this is admittedly more common in the Discovery etc due to the added weight.
The E350 goes very well, is a lovely thing to cover miles in and appears to be available at less money for comparable age and mileage.
For instance https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301063...
The E350 goes very well, is a lovely thing to cover miles in and appears to be available at less money for comparable age and mileage.
For instance https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301063...
Edited by Patrick1964 on Friday 24th March 10:55
SWoll said:
Consistently rated in the top 3 least reliable car manufacturers, I wouldn't consider one for that kind of usage personally.
This would be a nice companion for that kind of mileage. Far better engine and much nicer inside than the XF
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209240...
Jags are too unreliable, here's a dodgy BMW instead This would be a nice companion for that kind of mileage. Far better engine and much nicer inside than the XF
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209240...
There's quite a few common issues, although probably sounds worse than it is:
However, lovely car to drive, fantastic sound system, great suspension for our roads, excellent cabin insulation and a nice looking car as well.
If you definitely want an XF then maybe worth considering the x260 instead with the slightly higher powered 3.0d (300ps) with a stonking 700Nm of torque. I don't think I've ever seen any inlet manifold complaints with it so maybe they revised the part and hopefully a lot of the other issues were sorted. It will also be Euro 6.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303105...
Avoid the Jaguar Ingenium 2.0d like the plague.
- Foam covering the window cables inside door frames disintegrate causing them to rattle together
- Door locks can stick in the open position when the temp hits -3°C stopping you from closing the door
- Intake manifolds will eventually split, can be from 70k miles upwards. 7-8 hour job
- Intercooler hose splits at plastic junction
- Brake judder very common and very annoying
- Wheel nuts snap (they are 2-piece) so replace with single piece ones
- Secondary turbo actuator can stick
- Alternator failure is quite common
- When changing the battery it can lose the immobiliser settings preventing you from locking the car. It does not blow anything up, however, Jaguar main dealer will try and charge you for a new CJB and AJB plus software flash, however, all that is needed is the software that takes 20 mins and costs about £60 at a good Jaguar indy
- The windscreen washer pump suffers capilary action and fluid wicks up to the CJB (main fuse box) and corrodes the pins. Easy fix if you catch it in the time, but can be expensive if you don't.
- The Sportbrake can have water ingress through the boot strut bolt and soaks the AJB (rear fuse box). It's an easy fix if you catch it in time but expensive if you don't.
However, lovely car to drive, fantastic sound system, great suspension for our roads, excellent cabin insulation and a nice looking car as well.
If you definitely want an XF then maybe worth considering the x260 instead with the slightly higher powered 3.0d (300ps) with a stonking 700Nm of torque. I don't think I've ever seen any inlet manifold complaints with it so maybe they revised the part and hopefully a lot of the other issues were sorted. It will also be Euro 6.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303105...
Avoid the Jaguar Ingenium 2.0d like the plague.
MrSpanky49 said:
Merc e350?
It depends if you need a four door car or not. I recommend trying a Coupe, for some reason there’s not much in the way of content online but I’m very happy with mine, and as they are basically the same from 2008 on you should be able to find one to look at to rule in or out the model close to you. If you happen to be in North Wales I’ll happily show you round my car.MrSpanky49 said:
Great car ULEZ/CAZ compliant too, I have family & friends with them & they're very reliable.MrSpanky49 said:
Merc e350?
The CLS offers more for very similar money IME.https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303095...
Lexus GS 450h
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302074...
If you can squeeze a little more then there's the Jaguar XJ that I don't see very many issues with:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302094...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302074...
If you can squeeze a little more then there's the Jaguar XJ that I don't see very many issues with:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302094...
I reckon an XF 3.0 diesel is a good idea. Yes they have some niggles, but the more serious things tend to happen on examples that haven't been looked after properly. Buy a good one, look after it, by that I mean change oil every 10k, service it on time when needed, don't rag it from cold, etc and it should be good for at least 200k miles, maybe even 250k.
Newer Euro 6 model (no low emissions charges)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302174...
Older Euro 5 model with recent service and FSH
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302174...
Newer Euro 6 model (no low emissions charges)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302174...
Older Euro 5 model with recent service and FSH
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302174...
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