Are Land Rover dealers struggling?

[So]

Burwood said:

unrepentant said:

Taaaaang said:

Big redundancies announced today.

I was only thinking a few weeks ago that I don't ever really see any brand new FFRRs about here in Birmingham...loads of the smaller ones but fewer full size than 5-10 years ago for sure.

In fact, the XL SUVs in general seem less commonplace.

Looked like relatively small redundancies amongst certain groups while at the same time they are recruiting large numbers of skilled workers such as engineers.

Everything is peachy. Nothing to see. Move along

Have you got a link for the news regarding recruitment please Unrepentant?

[Barga]

So said:

Burwood said:

unrepentant said:

Taaaaang said:

Big redundancies announced today.

I was only thinking a few weeks ago that I don't ever really see any brand new FFRRs about here in Birmingham...loads of the smaller ones but fewer full size than 5-10 years ago for sure.

In fact, the XL SUVs in general seem less commonplace.

Looked like relatively small redundancies amongst certain groups while at the same time they are recruiting large numbers of skilled workers such as engineers.

Everything is peachy. Nothing to see. Move along

Have you got a link for the news regarding recruitment please Unrepentant?

I would imagine that most businesses trading “luxury” goods will be feeling the pinch especially if the government turns 180 degrees on policy like they have done with diesel!
As I have said earlier So,there are plenty other car brands out there to choose from that do large bloated 4x4s so why bother with these unreliable cars that you keep downing on every LR thread?

[So]

Barga said:

So said:

Burwood said:

unrepentant said:

Taaaaang said:

Big redundancies announced today.

I was only thinking a few weeks ago that I don't ever really see any brand new FFRRs about here in Birmingham...loads of the smaller ones but fewer full size than 5-10 years ago for sure.

In fact, the XL SUVs in general seem less commonplace.

Looked like relatively small redundancies amongst certain groups while at the same time they are recruiting large numbers of skilled workers such as engineers.

Everything is peachy. Nothing to see. Move along

Have you got a link for the news regarding recruitment please Unrepentant?

I would imagine that most businesses trading “luxury” goods will be feeling the pinch especially if the government turns 180 degrees on policy like they have done with diesel!
As I have said earlier So,there are plenty other car brands out there to choose from that do large bloated 4x4s so why bother with these unreliable cars that you keep downing on every LR thread?

Where would you look, out of interest?

[Barga]

So said:

Barga said:

So said:

Burwood said:

unrepentant said:

Taaaaang said:

Big redundancies announced today.

I was only thinking a few weeks ago that I don't ever really see any brand new FFRRs about here in Birmingham...loads of the smaller ones but fewer full size than 5-10 years ago for sure.

In fact, the XL SUVs in general seem less commonplace.

Looked like relatively small redundancies amongst certain groups while at the same time they are recruiting large numbers of skilled workers such as engineers.

Everything is peachy. Nothing to see. Move along

Have you got a link for the news regarding recruitment please Unrepentant?

I would imagine that most businesses trading “luxury” goods will be feeling the pinch especially if the government turns 180 degrees on policy like they have done with diesel!
As I have said earlier So,there are plenty other car brands out there to choose from that do large bloated 4x4s so why bother with these unreliable cars that you keep downing on every LR thread?

Where would you look, out of interest?

Audi ,Merc,BMW,Porsche,Bentley,VW,Lamborghini,Rolls Royce,AlfaRomeo,Maserati and some Jap stuff as well!
There is a whole world out there!

[So]

Barga said:

So said:

Barga said:

So said:

Burwood said:

unrepentant said:

Taaaaang said:

Big redundancies announced today.

I was only thinking a few weeks ago that I don't ever really see any brand new FFRRs about here in Birmingham...loads of the smaller ones but fewer full size than 5-10 years ago for sure.

In fact, the XL SUVs in general seem less commonplace.

Looked like relatively small redundancies amongst certain groups while at the same time they are recruiting large numbers of skilled workers such as engineers.

Everything is peachy. Nothing to see. Move along

Have you got a link for the news regarding recruitment please Unrepentant?

I would imagine that most businesses trading “luxury” goods will be feeling the pinch especially if the government turns 180 degrees on policy like they have done with diesel!
As I have said earlier So,there are plenty other car brands out there to choose from that do large bloated 4x4s so why bother with these unreliable cars that you keep downing on every LR thread?

Where would you look, out of interest?

Audi ,Merc,BMW,Porsche,Bentley,VW,Lamborghini,Rolls Royce,AlfaRomeo,Maserati and some Jap stuff as well!
There is a whole world out there!

Of that list, I must confess to having looked again at Toyota. I used to have a Hilux double cab which was very good and an Amazon on loan, which was again good. But quite plastic.

We also considered a C63 Estate an S6 Estate.

What I think we really want is a FFRR after Land Rover has started to make an effort to get their quality and service right. Perhaps we should run our current one until the wheels fall off, and hope things have improved by then.

[unrepentant]

Barga said:

I would imagine that most businesses trading “luxury” goods will be feeling the pinch especially if the government turns 180 degrees on policy like they have done with diesel!

That and given the utter Horlicks that the British government have made of Brexit I would imagine that most businesses of size with a British manufacturing base would be looking elsewhere. JLR have just opened a state of the art facility in Slovakia and the E-Pace and I-Pace are made by Magna Steyr in Austria. Sounds like sensible diversification given the uncertainty "back home".

[Barga]

So said:

Of that list, I must confess to having looked again at Toyota. I used to have a Hilux double cab which was very good and an Amazon on loan, which was again good. But quite plastic.

We also considered a C63 Estate an S6 Estate.

What I think we really want is a FFRR after Land Rover has started to make an effort to get their quality and service right. Perhaps we should run our current one until the wheels fall off, and hope things have improved by then.

For all LRs faults and from a list some of the best manufacturers in the world you would rather run an old previous model FFRR?

I would call that a glowing endorsement for LandRover!

[So]

Barga said:

For all LRs faults and from a list some of the best manufacturers in the world you would rather run an old previous model FFRR?

I would call that a glowing endorsement for LandRover!

I am sure a job offer from Unrepentant's PR department will be in the post shortly.

[Barga]

So said:

Barga said:

For all LRs faults and from a list some of the best manufacturers in the world you would rather run an old previous model FFRR?

I would call that a glowing endorsement for LandRover!

I am sure a job offer from Unrepentant's PR department will be in the post shortly.

It’s not me that is giving LR a glowing review about old FFRRs it’s you mate!

[So]

Barga said:

So said:

Barga said:

For all LRs faults and from a list some of the best manufacturers in the world you would rather run an old previous model FFRR?

I would call that a glowing endorsement for LandRover!

I am sure a job offer from Unrepentant's PR department will be in the post shortly.

It’s not me that is giving LR a glowing review about old FFRRs it’s you mate!

You're too good for me. I am going for lunch.

[Barga]

So said:

Barga said:

So said:

Barga said:

For all LRs faults and from a list some of the best manufacturers in the world you would rather run an old previous model FFRR?

I would call that a glowing endorsement for LandRover!

I am sure a job offer from Unrepentant's PR department will be in the post shortly.

It’s not me that is giving LR a glowing review about old FFRRs it’s you mate!

You're too good for me. I am going for lunch.

Treat yourself for Xmas to a lovely new FFRR,they do come with warranties and LR assist.

[Burwood]

unrepentant said:

Barga said:

I would imagine that most businesses trading “luxury” goods will be feeling the pinch especially if the government turns 180 degrees on policy like they have done with diesel!

That and given the utter Horlicks that the British government have made of Brexit I would imagine that most businesses of size with a British manufacturing base would be looking elsewhere. JLR have just opened a state of the art facility in Slovakia and the E-Pace and I-Pace are made by Magna Steyr in Austria. Sounds like sensible diversification given the uncertainty "back home".

Blaming Brexit. What has selling cars got to do with our EU membership? Nothing

[Barga]

Burwood said:

unrepentant said:

Barga said:

I would imagine that most businesses trading “luxury” goods will be feeling the pinch especially if the government turns 180 degrees on policy like they have done with diesel!

That and given the utter Horlicks that the British government have made of Brexit I would imagine that most businesses of size with a British manufacturing base would be looking elsewhere. JLR have just opened a state of the art facility in Slovakia and the E-Pace and I-Pace are made by Magna Steyr in Austria. Sounds like sensible diversification given the uncertainty "back home".

Blaming Brexit. What has selling cars got to do with our EU membership? Nothing

I would imagine financial uncertainty would be high on people’s minds when buying expensive cars!

[So]

Barga said:

So said:

Barga said:

So said:

Barga said:

For all LRs faults and from a list some of the best manufacturers in the world you would rather run an old previous model FFRR?

I would call that a glowing endorsement for LandRover!

I am sure a job offer from Unrepentant's PR department will be in the post shortly.

It’s not me that is giving LR a glowing review about old FFRRs it’s you mate!

You're too good for me. I am going for lunch.

Treat yourself for Xmas to a lovely new FFRR,they do come with warranties and LR assist.

I know, I have used both extensively.

In fact last Christmas, our current FFRR broke down and had to be recovered by LR Assist (or the AA actually).

We got a dog of an XC90 from Thrifty (through Land Rover) with bald tyres and which smelled of fags. It stayed on my drive over Christmas because it was too horrible to drive.

[Barga]

So said:

Barga said:

So said:

Barga said:

So said:

Barga said:

For all LRs faults and from a list some of the best manufacturers in the world you would rather run an old previous model FFRR?

I would call that a glowing endorsement for LandRover!

I am sure a job offer from Unrepentant's PR department will be in the post shortly.

It’s not me that is giving LR a glowing review about old FFRRs it’s you mate!

You're too good for me. I am going for lunch.

Treat yourself for Xmas to a lovely new FFRR,they do come with warranties and LR assist.

I know, I have used both extensively.

In fact last Christmas, our current FFRR broke down and had to be recovered by LR Assist (or the AA actually).

We got a dog of an XC90 from Thrifty (through Land Rover) with bald tyres and which smelled of fags. It stayed on my drive over Christmas because it was too horrible to drive.

Well it is like for like replacement!

This is the bit I can’t grasp, you have an unreliable product from a dealership you don’t rate and a manufacturer who you say are useless but still you keep the car and “ache” to buy another!

Edited by Barga on Friday 30th November 15:25

[So]

Barga said:

So said:

Barga said:

So said:

Barga said:

So said:

Barga said:

For all LRs faults and from a list some of the best manufacturers in the world you would rather run an old previous model FFRR?

I would call that a glowing endorsement for LandRover!

I am sure a job offer from Unrepentant's PR department will be in the post shortly.

It’s not me that is giving LR a glowing review about old FFRRs it’s you mate!

You're too good for me. I am going for lunch.

Treat yourself for Xmas to a lovely new FFRR,they do come with warranties and LR assist.

I know, I have used both extensively.

In fact last Christmas, our current FFRR broke down and had to be recovered by LR Assist (or the AA actually).

We got a dog of an XC90 from Thrifty (through Land Rover) with bald tyres and which smelled of fags. It stayed on my drive over Christmas because it was too horrible to drive.

Well it is like for like replacement!

This is the bit I can’t grasp, you have an unreliable product from a dealership you don’t rate and a manufacturer who you say are useless but still you keep the car and “ache” to buy another!

Edited by Barga on Friday 30th November 15:25

The current one owes us nothing and has done most of its depreciating. It also does its job most of the time. Before we pay for a replacement we want to find something we really want.

As I’ve previously said, what I really want is a new Range Rover. But one that doesn’t have faults and isn’t supplied by a crappy dealership. So we will probably wait and see what happens with Land Rover and of another marque brings out something good.

Do you perhaps think the way I feel is unusual? Even Land Rover knows that a large proportion of owners of their product are people who swore never to buy another Land Rover product. Which is why they have always invited me on launches and experience days despite me always giving them crap feedback, I imagine.

[Barga]

So said:

The current one owes us nothing and has done most of its depreciating. It also does its job most of the time. Before we pay for a replacement we want to find something we really want.

As I’ve previously said, what I really want is a new Range Rover. But one that doesn’t have faults and isn’t supplied by a crappy dealership. So we will probably wait and see what happens with Land Rover and of another marque brings out something good.

Do you perhaps think the way I feel is unusual? Even Land Rover knows that a large proportion of owners of their product are people who swore never to buy another Land Rover product. Which is why they have always invited me on launches and experience days despite me always giving them crap feedback, I imagine.

Totally unusual,I would imagine most people wouldn’t touch the marque with a barge pole if they felt as strongly as you seem to on every thread about LR.
There’s nowt as strange as folk though!

[Burwood]

Barga said:

Burwood said:

unrepentant said:

Barga said:

I would imagine that most businesses trading “luxury” goods will be feeling the pinch especially if the government turns 180 degrees on policy like they have done with diesel!

That and given the utter Horlicks that the British government have made of Brexit I would imagine that most businesses of size with a British manufacturing base would be looking elsewhere. JLR have just opened a state of the art facility in Slovakia and the E-Pace and I-Pace are made by Magna Steyr in Austria. Sounds like sensible diversification given the uncertainty "back home".

Blaming Brexit. What has selling cars got to do with our EU membership? Nothing

I would imagine financial uncertainty would be high on people’s minds when buying expensive cars!

The 'blame' was due to a no deal/tariff situation. If you haven't noticed the financial markets are well off their highs as is London property. Nothing to do with Brexit. A typical JLR customer has probably taken a 20%+ hit in their stock holding either directly or through a pension. It's called a cycle and we have had a very long run. Any company of this size should plan for macro events. JLRs problems relate to Diesel and their pricing/quality but it's easier to blame someone else for their mistakes.

[unrepentant]

Burwood said:

Blaming Brexit. What has selling cars got to do with our EU membership? Nothing

Brexit has caused enormous uncertainty for British businesses and consumers alike I would imagine.

Didn’t the BOE recently predict huge job losses, crashing house prices and the pound falling below the dollar if Brexit is not handled correctly? That would put plenty of people off buying a new car I would have thought!

[Sheepshanks]

JLRs main issue is cratering sales in China.