New Defender in the Wild
Discussion
Rudolph Hart said:
What it demonstrates is the limited articulation that you get from IFS.
What it demonstrates is exactly what they wanted to demonstrate, no mater how cross-axled you get the car it will handle it, the saying have axle will travel is all well and good for a vehicle that is not expected to handle asphalt but in the 21st century more is expected and this new Defender delivers in spades.After the gullible I want to be first brigade have Beta tested the 90 I will order one to go with my 69 IIa and 2006 TD5.
100SRV said:
There were seperate intelligent observations that the Defender had key attributes and this lacks many of them - hence giving it a new name and letting Defender remain the foundation of the brand and an unused badge (for now).
Humor me - what original key attributes did the original Defender have that this one lacks? (- ps; you are not allowed list anything that JLR is forced to do due to regs/legislation.)Rudolph Hart said:
Osinjak said:
Quick, somebody call Land Rover! There's a random punter on the internet who knows everything about four wheel drive but isn't going to tell, no siree. Imagine the chaos in LR HQ, papers flying everywhere, phones constantly ringing, secretaries crying and Gerry McGovern on his knees wailing at the heavens.
Or not.
Well frankly it’s boring and insulting to most people here to have to explain such basic things. Or not.
It's all entirely a moot point. 99.99% of drivers will never experience, nor want to, anything that pushes the new Defender beyond it's limits of off road capability. It will be more then capable of dicking around (and probably class leadingly so...) in sand, scrub desert, muddy fields, water, over landing, towing everything.... but you are right, it's ROCK CRAWLING abilities may be somewhat limited. OH MY.
Cold said:
This new one with its modern complicated features such seats won't sell at all. If farmers can't drive it to the Isle of Wight without using a ferry they won't order one.
You're kidding right? You think Farmer's automotive purchasing power is a topic worth discussing!? Edited by Andeh1 on Friday 6th March 14:28
Rudolph Hart said:
Well frankly it’s boring and insulting to most people here to have to explain such basic things.
Well, try me. Explain how my old 11A was worse at going off road than my old RRC, which was worse than my old P38A, which was worse than my old 90 which was worse than my old L322 which was worse than my current RRS. And how in some circumstances a Mk1 Freelander was better than all of them.Then explain why waving a wheel around is so bad if the rest of the car is engineered with such a manoeuvre in mind. But try to use simple words because I have very limited experience in such matters.
Cold said:
Well, try me. Explain how my old 11A was worse at going off road than my old RRC, which was worse than my old P38A, which was worse than my old 90 which was worse than my old L322 which was worse than my current RRS. And how in some circumstances a Mk1 Freelander was better than all of them.
Horses for courses innit?I’ve seen Air Portables out-perform Wolf before. All depends on the terrain, the weather, the payload, driver ability, vehicle condition.....
There is no perfect solution.
One of New Defender’s down sides is that a bashed up one will look....bashed up, where as a Defender Classic wears its wounds far better. Irrelevant to some, I know.
Rudolph Hart said:
What it demonstrates is the limited articulation that you get from IFS.
This has been done to death many, many, many times before... So many that even 300 has stopped banging on about it.Go and familiarise yourself with the previous threads as I strongly suspect that whatever you want to say has already been said, countless times before.
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camel_landy said:
Crossflow Kid said:
One of New Defender’s down sides is that a bashed up one will look....bashed up, where as a Defender Classic wears its wounds far better. Irrelevant to some, I know.
Ahhh... Yet to be proven but certainly true with the other cars. 
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Crossflow Kid said:
Pretty sure those panels can’t be beaten flat with a club hammer.
None of them can - old Defenders' panels were never straight in the first place. 
I've just placed a deposit on a new 110. I think the new Defender is a successful replacement and is similar in concept to the P38 replacing the original RR - an all-new, modern, forward-looking vehicle but with design elements carried forward from the original.
While I like the new G-Class and Wrangler I like that the Defender is not trying to be fully retro like those two. My hunch is the new Defender 110 will tempt an awful lot of people out of Discovery 3/4 and Volvo XC90s but time will tell.
Bill said:
Plenty have been.
JLR are making a Defender for new buyers in the 21st century, not beards who wouldn't buy one new* or farmers/the military who haven't bought them for years.
*With the odd exception.
So it’s not really aimed at the Defender market?JLR are making a Defender for new buyers in the 21st century, not beards who wouldn't buy one new* or farmers/the military who haven't bought them for years.
*With the odd exception.
Hmm.....why is it called Defender then?
This is so confusing.
Crossflow Kid said:
Bill said:
Plenty have been.
JLR are making a Defender for new buyers in the 21st century, not beards who wouldn't buy one new* or farmers/the military who haven't bought them for years.
*With the odd exception.
So it’s not really aimed at the Defender market?JLR are making a Defender for new buyers in the 21st century, not beards who wouldn't buy one new* or farmers/the military who haven't bought them for years.
*With the odd exception.
Hmm.....why is it called Defender then?
This is so confusing.
The Defender wasn't even sold in a lot of markets, including the US where it hasn't met safety regs since 1997.
This car is called Defender because it is a Defender. But it's a better Defender, a 21st Century Defender, better in ever conceivable way than the great car that it replaced. I don't understand why you have an issue with that?
What axe are you grinding? What's your motivation? Seriously, I'm interested because you've come on this thread and done nothing but spout bile and I don't understand what your issue is? If you don't like the car, that's fine, nobody is asking you to buy one.
Calm down petal.
For a lot of people, slightly backward-thinking and Neanderthal though they may seem to a futurist like yourself, the name “Defender” is synonymous with a particular vehicle which is itself identifiable by certain key features.
This new vehicle has none of those which just might be why there’s a little bit of a backlash against use of the model name for a totally redesigned vehicle that has nothing in common with its namesake.
Go on, tell me to get with the program or call me a bit backward because I actually like a car with live axles.
Like I said earlier, my love of old Defender is no more or less bizarre than your soft-focus slow-mo wet dream of the new one (which is, frankly, all the more odd considering the car hasn’t even hit the streets yet).
But all that aside you really don’t get it, do you?....
The more you bang on about how great it is, a fantastic worthy replacement for the old car, a quantum leap forward, how did we ever manage without it and all that shizzle, the more people get bored of hearing about it, and thus set out to post equally boring and repetitive rhetoric about the old version.
For a lot of people, slightly backward-thinking and Neanderthal though they may seem to a futurist like yourself, the name “Defender” is synonymous with a particular vehicle which is itself identifiable by certain key features.
This new vehicle has none of those which just might be why there’s a little bit of a backlash against use of the model name for a totally redesigned vehicle that has nothing in common with its namesake.
Go on, tell me to get with the program or call me a bit backward because I actually like a car with live axles.
Like I said earlier, my love of old Defender is no more or less bizarre than your soft-focus slow-mo wet dream of the new one (which is, frankly, all the more odd considering the car hasn’t even hit the streets yet).
But all that aside you really don’t get it, do you?....
The more you bang on about how great it is, a fantastic worthy replacement for the old car, a quantum leap forward, how did we ever manage without it and all that shizzle, the more people get bored of hearing about it, and thus set out to post equally boring and repetitive rhetoric about the old version.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 6th March 22:28
Crossflow Kid said:
Calm down petal.
Seriously mate, what's your beef? You spend a lot of time on here slagging off something that you obviously have no interest in buying. Why? What's the point? Don't you have anything better to do? Clearly not.I'm not interested in Morris Dancing so I make a point of not going on Morris dancing forums and criticizing Morris Dancing techniques. To do otherwise would make no sense.
unrepentant said:
Seriously mate, what's your beef? You spend a lot of time on here slagging off something that you obviously have no interest in buying. Why? What's the point? Don't you have anything better to do? Clearly not.
I'm not interested in Morris Dancing so I make a point of not going on Morris dancing forums and criticizing Morris Dancing techniques. To do otherwise would make no sense.
I’m not your mate.I'm not interested in Morris Dancing so I make a point of not going on Morris dancing forums and criticizing Morris Dancing techniques. To do otherwise would make no sense.
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