New Defender in the Wild
Discussion
Crossflow Kid said:
It isn’t fear of change. It isn’t fear of anything. It’s acknowledgement that with increasingly complex systems (and in this case electronic systems) comes an increased reliance on other people and therefore increased costs.
You can say that about ANYTHING... If you've never learnt how to change a wheel, you're going to have to rely on someone else and therefore increased costs. Where do you draw the line?
My son is watching what I do and learning the spanner work, he's also doing the same with the electronic diagnostics, it's sinking in and now I can't stop him! Personally, I know my limit is metal work & welding (I've been watching Project Binky in awe) but I also realise it comes down to having the correct tools and enough time practice.
You might not know/understand electronic systems but they're not too difficult to understand. With the correct tools & mindset, they're often quite easy to work with. If you've already got a laptop, you can do a lot with a £25 OBDII cable and free software.
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camel_landy said:
Crossflow Kid said:
camel_landy said:
you can do a lot of damage with a £25 OBDII cable and free software.
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FTFYM
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Yup, you can mess about with electrical bits and get it wrong.
Then again, a mate managed to over tighten, massively, the timing belt tensioner on his 300tdi, which bent, knocking the idler out of alignment, so that chewed the belt, till it snapped and bent a few push rods and valves.
Twice.
Then he realised what he had done. After 2 trips on the wagon of shame.
So having a simple engine is no guarantee, someone won’t make an arse of it...
I’ve had my iid tool for my D3 for 5 years now.
I haven’t bricked it yet.
Then again, a mate managed to over tighten, massively, the timing belt tensioner on his 300tdi, which bent, knocking the idler out of alignment, so that chewed the belt, till it snapped and bent a few push rods and valves.
Twice.
Then he realised what he had done. After 2 trips on the wagon of shame.
So having a simple engine is no guarantee, someone won’t make an arse of it...
I’ve had my iid tool for my D3 for 5 years now.
I haven’t bricked it yet.
Passed a new Defender driving the other day yesterday, Yorkshire Dales.
Above all, it lacked presence. Just fussy. The simple graphic of the Defender has always been a hallmark.
Shame. Will reserve judgement until I spend a bit more time around one.
Bear in mind I’m a 110 owner. That may make me a fogey but equally I’m predisposed to like the marque.
Above all, it lacked presence. Just fussy. The simple graphic of the Defender has always been a hallmark.
Shame. Will reserve judgement until I spend a bit more time around one.
Bear in mind I’m a 110 owner. That may make me a fogey but equally I’m predisposed to like the marque.
Which ever way you spin it, the new Defender will out class anything when it comes to offroading in standard or lightly modified guise! It will top them offroad, then kick them when their down with some class leading on road dynamics as well!
It will achieve all this whilst modernising, uplifting & maintaining as much of the heritage as possible in a nigh on impossibly difficult world of global legislation, regulations, safety and cost considerations.
Yes the local yocal farmers & rufty tufty rednecks won't be able to fix it out by the barn, but im sure all 15 of them will take solace in their 10 year old 5th hand Hiluxs, Rangers and Navaras keeping them entertained whilst they tend to their milk & moonshine.
It will achieve all this whilst modernising, uplifting & maintaining as much of the heritage as possible in a nigh on impossibly difficult world of global legislation, regulations, safety and cost considerations.
Yes the local yocal farmers & rufty tufty rednecks won't be able to fix it out by the barn, but im sure all 15 of them will take solace in their 10 year old 5th hand Hiluxs, Rangers and Navaras keeping them entertained whilst they tend to their milk & moonshine.
Edited by Andeh1 on Tuesday 9th June 20:54
Andeh1 said:
Which ever way you spin it, the new Defender will out class anything when it comes to offroading in standard or lightly modified guise! It will top them offroad, then kick them when their down with some class leading on road dynamics as well!
It will achieve all this whilst modernising, uplifting & maintaining as much of the heritage as possible in a nigh on impossibly difficult world of global legislation, regulations, safety and cost considerations.
Yes the local yocal farmers & rufty tufty rednecks won't be able to fix it out by the barn, but im sure all 15 of them will take solace in their 10 year old 5th hand Hiluxs, Rangers and Navaras keeping them entertained whilst they tend to their milk & moonshine.
Spot on.It will achieve all this whilst modernising, uplifting & maintaining as much of the heritage as possible in a nigh on impossibly difficult world of global legislation, regulations, safety and cost considerations.
Yes the local yocal farmers & rufty tufty rednecks won't be able to fix it out by the barn, but im sure all 15 of them will take solace in their 10 year old 5th hand Hiluxs, Rangers and Navaras keeping them entertained whilst they tend to their milk & moonshine.
camel_landy said:
Which video?
The one where you had a journalist, with limited off-road driving experience (I'm being generous), lurch forwards and drive into a rock?!?
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The one where the old Defender vastly and easily out-performs the new one?The one where you had a journalist, with limited off-road driving experience (I'm being generous), lurch forwards and drive into a rock?!?
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I thought being such a super-dooper leap forward the new one would excel regardless of who was behind the wheel. Isn’t that the idea?
Crossflow Kid said:
The one where the old Defender vastly and easily out-performs the new one?
On the face of it, it might look like it but if you pay attention, you'll be able to see the abilities of the drivers are like comparing chalk & cheese......they also take different lines, which compounds the difference in driver abilities.
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camel_landy said:
Crossflow Kid said:
The one where the old Defender vastly and easily out-performs the new one?
On the face of it, it might look like it but if you pay attention, you'll be able to see the abilities of the drivers are like comparing chalk & cheese......they also take different lines, which compounds the difference in driver abilities.
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It’s actually down to driver skill?
Crossflow Kid said:
So the new car isn’t all that after all?
It’s actually down to driver skill?
What's your agenda? What words are you trying to put into my mouth?It’s actually down to driver skill?
It's not a self-driving car, you still need to apply power via the throttle and point the thing in the correct direction. The drivers in the video did neither. They followed a different route through the obstacles and then backed off the power before the traction systems do their thing... A classic set of novice reactions to driving off-road for the first time.
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camel_landy said:
What's your agenda? What words are you trying to put into my mouth?
Just curious why the new Defender is being praised beyond words before it’s actually proved itself in anything other than promo videos, and whenever anything pops up to suggest it might not be all that, suddenly it’s all about driver ability....I thought this new super car could do anything, regardless of who’s driving it.
That’s the impression I got from some of the more sensational reports, articles and posts.
camel_landy said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Did you watch the video?
Which video?The one where you had a journalist, with limited off-road driving experience (I'm being generous), lurch forwards and drive into a rock?!?
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Bill said:
So a modified 90 Vs a standard 110? What's the point of that?
Have you watched the vid?1. The 110 at the beginning is not modified and while the Pretender made it up the first part, it made a lot more fuss than a bog standard traditional 110 did!
2. The modified 90 is not extremely modified and likely represents a significant proportion of the 90's in the world. Very few remain 100% standard. As I don't believe the suspension on it looked all that well sorted and the tyres were nothing special. A TCS Td5 or TDCi 90 would likely have driven up in similar fashion and ease.
3. And most importantly, beggars can't be choosers. It isn't my video, just one someone has posted on the internet that happens to be the first time I've since traditional Defender and a Pretender on the same terrain at the same time. In time there will be better videos and comparisons, but for now it was just being shared for what it is.
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