New Defender in the Wild
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
I have no idea if that was a Journo or not. How did you find out? And surely that is rather the point, just a 'normal' person driving the vehicle off road 
OK, so there is an 'assumption' based on experience and analysing the evidence presented... However, these cars aren't on general release yet, so it's hardly likely to be an owners club outing. 
...but that said, they still managed to cover the ground in the new car (which IS the point). I suspect they would have made a COMPLETE hash of trying to drive the old 'has-been'. A clutch pedal away from disappearing down the hill.
M
Crossflow Kid said:
Just curious why the new Defender is being praised beyond words before it’s actually proved itself in anything other than promo videos, and whenever anything pops up to suggest it might not be all that, suddenly it’s all about driver ability....
I thought this new super car could do anything, regardless of who’s driving it.
That’s the impression I got from some of the more sensational reports, articles and posts.
Decided what point you're trying to make.I thought this new super car could do anything, regardless of who’s driving it.
That’s the impression I got from some of the more sensational reports, articles and posts.
If you want to criticise the way the new car made a meal of the obstacle, compared to the old car, well that's down to the driver. However, it still made it through the terrain.
Crossflow Kid said:
I thought this new super car could do anything, regardless of who’s driving it.
You know what they say about making assumptions. 
While on that subject, can I suggest you stay away from the AutoPilot feature on Teslas.
M
300bhp/ton said:
Have you watched the vid?
1. The 110 at the beginning is not modified and while the Pretender made it up the first part, it made a lot more fuss than a bog standard traditional 110 did!
2. The modified 90 is not extremely modified and likely represents a significant proportion of the 90's in the world. Very few remain 100% standard. As I don't believe the suspension on it looked all that well sorted and the tyres were nothing special. A TCS Td5 or TDCi 90 would likely have driven up in similar fashion and ease.
3. And most importantly, beggars can't be choosers. It isn't my video, just one someone has posted on the internet that happens to be the first time I've since traditional Defender and a Pretender on the same terrain at the same time. In time there will be better videos and comparisons, but for now it was just being shared for what it is.
It's not extremely modified? Really? And vs the 110 on standard tyres. It's an utterly pointless comparison. Why do you think they didn't include the 110 doing it?1. The 110 at the beginning is not modified and while the Pretender made it up the first part, it made a lot more fuss than a bog standard traditional 110 did!
2. The modified 90 is not extremely modified and likely represents a significant proportion of the 90's in the world. Very few remain 100% standard. As I don't believe the suspension on it looked all that well sorted and the tyres were nothing special. A TCS Td5 or TDCi 90 would likely have driven up in similar fashion and ease.
3. And most importantly, beggars can't be choosers. It isn't my video, just one someone has posted on the internet that happens to be the first time I've since traditional Defender and a Pretender on the same terrain at the same time. In time there will be better videos and comparisons, but for now it was just being shared for what it is.
Bill said:
It's not extremely modified? Really? And vs the 110 on standard tyres. It's an utterly pointless comparison. Why do you think they didn't include the 110 doing it?
I clearly wasn't there, already told you it isn't my vid 
So who knows if the proper 110 went up there. I assume if that was the route, all the vehicles would need to be driven up there. And if it was journo's as speculated above, it was likely a prescribed route.
And it's only utterly pointless if you want it to be. A 'standard' Jeep Wrangler is arguably more modified than that modified 90 and would represent a good real world alternative vehicle to a perspective buyer. The 90 basically showed what a stock Jeep would have done.
300bhp/ton said:
I clearly wasn't there, already told you it isn't my vid
So who knows if the proper 110 went up there. I assume if that was the route, all the vehicles would need to be driven up there. And if it was journo's as speculated above, it was likely a prescribed route.
And it's only utterly pointless if you want it to be. A 'standard' Jeep Wrangler is arguably more modified than that modified 90 and would represent a good real world alternative vehicle to a perspective buyer. The 90 basically showed what a stock Jeep would have done.
They were arsing about to the right of the track weren't they. Certainly looked like the left was straightforward. Either way I was asking an opinion, why do you think wasn't the standard 110 in the video? Was it a) because it walked it or b) because it didn't stand a chance.So who knows if the proper 110 went up there. I assume if that was the route, all the vehicles would need to be driven up there. And if it was journo's as speculated above, it was likely a prescribed route.
And it's only utterly pointless if you want it to be. A 'standard' Jeep Wrangler is arguably more modified than that modified 90 and would represent a good real world alternative vehicle to a perspective buyer. The 90 basically showed what a stock Jeep would have done.
Loving the Wrangler nonsense though.
Yeeeessss... I'd expect that was some sort of convoy drive, so at some point both the 90 & 110 would have tackled the same route. Both of the 'older' cars were fairly stock, the 110 more so than the 90 and even so, the 90 only really had a slight lift and slightly larger tyres.
Journalists / Dealer Principles, either way, [to me] it's obviously some sort of launch event for VIPs (the branding on the polo shirts is another giveaway).
Here are a couple of examples of driving:
@0:40 The new car takes a much higher line through the gulley and approaches at an angle (hence why the rear of the car slides in). Throttle control was OK.
@1:40 The original 110 drives through... It takes the 'correct' line by using the bottom of the gulley, points the wheels in the direction of travel and controls pace with the throttle.
@5:27 The fun starts... First hint of wheel-spin and they're straight off the throttle. They're not used to a loose surface and panic.
@5:50 Same... Straight off the throttle again.
The driver doesn't follow direction and then soon slides off the line
M
Journalists / Dealer Principles, either way, [to me] it's obviously some sort of launch event for VIPs (the branding on the polo shirts is another giveaway).
Here are a couple of examples of driving:
@0:40 The new car takes a much higher line through the gulley and approaches at an angle (hence why the rear of the car slides in). Throttle control was OK.
@1:40 The original 110 drives through... It takes the 'correct' line by using the bottom of the gulley, points the wheels in the direction of travel and controls pace with the throttle.
@5:27 The fun starts... First hint of wheel-spin and they're straight off the throttle. They're not used to a loose surface and panic.
@5:50 Same... Straight off the throttle again.
The driver doesn't follow direction and then soon slides off the line
M
300bhp/ton said:
Bill said:
So a modified 90 Vs a standard 110? What's the point of that?
Have you watched the vid?1. The 110 at the beginning is not modified and while the Pretender made it up the first part, it made a lot more fuss than a bog standard traditional 110 did!
2. The modified 90 is not extremely modified and likely represents a significant proportion of the 90's in the world. Very few remain 100% standard. As I don't believe the suspension on it looked all that well sorted and the tyres were nothing special. A TCS Td5 or TDCi 90 would likely have driven up in similar fashion and ease.
3. And most importantly, beggars can't be choosers. It isn't my video, just one someone has posted on the internet that happens to be the first time I've since traditional Defender and a Pretender on the same terrain at the same time. In time there will be better videos and comparisons, but for now it was just being shared for what it is.
It is all an entirely moot point though, the new defender will hold its own against any standard or lightly modified vehicle group in an off road setting. YES, there will be the extremes of the bell curve where debate can be had, but being adults & educated for the most part, we all know there is an exception to every rule but that doesn't warrant hanging our hats on and treating as gospel
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300bhp/ton said:
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2. The modified 90 is not extremely modified and likely represents a significant proportion of the 90's in the world. Very few remain 100% standard.
Almost sounds like nigh on 100% of owners felt the Defender was lacking sufficiently enough to warrant third party/aftermarket upgrades to make it a useful vehicle!? Makes it sound like even the old defenders are more Pretenders then anything!!!!!2. The modified 90 is not extremely modified and likely represents a significant proportion of the 90's in the world. Very few remain 100% standard.
I am sorry, I couldn't resist.
I love the old Defender, we owned one for several years in South Africa (A/T tyres, remap, full roof rack, bull bars etc) and it was brilliant for what it was...but it was a seriously compromised vehicle!edit2: I really miss it, FULL of Character
- which I agree the new defender will lack!
Edited by Andeh1 on Wednesday 10th June 14:09
Edited by Andeh1 on Wednesday 10th June 14:10
595Heaven said:
Great stuff! When do you take delivery?
They said 4-6 months. So I’m thinking November. I was more impressed then I though it was going to be. It felt better then my disco 4 in every conceivable way despite only having a 2lt engine except Though the engine in the 4 felt less stressed but the new defender was no slower and was smooth enough
Edited by cowboyengineer on Saturday 27th June 22:39
595Heaven said:
I presume the Jimny had already passed through that section?
+1 - I take my trusty Jimny through all sorts I wouldn't want to put my disco 3 through!It is tempting as the eventual replacement for my discovery 3 and I'll likely take that route - certainly a more natural upgrade than a disco 5 would be....
cowboyengineer said:
Well I just bought a new defender to replace my discovery 4.
That kind of sums it up for me. I've heard this plenty of times, and as an ex-Disco 4 owner I can kind of see the appeal. But I'm still to hear of anyone swapping a 'legacy' Defender for a new one. Is there anyone out there?
Seen a couple on the M25 and another at the LR MD I was at this week (this sighting shouldn't count!). I reckon they look really great.
I think they will sell like the proverbial hot cakes, although they may well take sales from other LR models. I live a few miles from an affluent area that includes Chelsea's training ground so when often out and about in the area there's always a staggering number of LR products, often Evokes and D5s, many driven by WAGS and associates, I assume. I anticipate seeing loads of the ND shortly!
R.
I think they will sell like the proverbial hot cakes, although they may well take sales from other LR models. I live a few miles from an affluent area that includes Chelsea's training ground so when often out and about in the area there's always a staggering number of LR products, often Evokes and D5s, many driven by WAGS and associates, I assume. I anticipate seeing loads of the ND shortly!
R.
Saw my 2nd new Defender on the road at the weekend.
Certainly a more civilised vehicle but the driver certainly wasn't !!!! He was up the rear of other cars and cutting up traffic to get on a slip road. Driven in a very "non Defender" way.
Know anyone can drive like an idiot (I have done in the past) however I think driving my "old style" Defender makes me a more courteous driver now as have to uphold the good nature of the marque.
George
Certainly a more civilised vehicle but the driver certainly wasn't !!!! He was up the rear of other cars and cutting up traffic to get on a slip road. Driven in a very "non Defender" way.
Know anyone can drive like an idiot (I have done in the past) however I think driving my "old style" Defender makes me a more courteous driver now as have to uphold the good nature of the marque.
George
douglasgdmw said:
Saw my 2nd new Defender on the road at the weekend.
Certainly a more civilised vehicle but the driver certainly wasn't !!!! He was up the rear of other cars and cutting up traffic to get on a slip road. Driven in a very "non Defender" way.
Know anyone can drive like an idiot (I have done in the past) however I think driving my "old style" Defender makes me a more courteous driver now as have to uphold the good nature of the marque.
George
It's been happening for a good number of years now. Audi drivers getting Land Rover products Certainly a more civilised vehicle but the driver certainly wasn't !!!! He was up the rear of other cars and cutting up traffic to get on a slip road. Driven in a very "non Defender" way.
Know anyone can drive like an idiot (I have done in the past) however I think driving my "old style" Defender makes me a more courteous driver now as have to uphold the good nature of the marque.
George
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