Discovery Sport 2.2 or 2.0
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Currently considering getting an approved Land Rover disco sport or f pace. For the age we are looking at the 2.2 or 2.0 is available. I’ve heard there are issues with the 2.0 in the discos (but not the f pace for some reason!?) so thought the 2.2 could be a better choice. Any advice chaps?
I have a DS 2.2. I think that they were available from launch in 2015 to very early 2016.
It has a Ford engine carried over from the Freelander 2. I'm glad I do not have a LR ingenium engine because that's the one that seems to have most problems.
Had the car for three years and it's coming up to 35,000 miles. So far, I've had no problem with it other than a new Haldex pump recently. I have an extended warranty and I was surprised that this was not covered.
Like the car lots...does everything I want. I expected to be disappointed about the performance as it replaced a V8 400bhp Jaguar but I am not. Lots of good comments from passengers too.
Possible main problem is that this model is EU5 not EU6 so it does not meet the toughest emission requirement.
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It has a Ford engine carried over from the Freelander 2. I'm glad I do not have a LR ingenium engine because that's the one that seems to have most problems.
Had the car for three years and it's coming up to 35,000 miles. So far, I've had no problem with it other than a new Haldex pump recently. I have an extended warranty and I was surprised that this was not covered.
Like the car lots...does everything I want. I expected to be disappointed about the performance as it replaced a V8 400bhp Jaguar but I am not. Lots of good comments from passengers too.
Possible main problem is that this model is EU5 not EU6 so it does not meet the toughest emission requirement.
R.
F-Pace has longitudinal engine installation with room for DPF alongside the engine and close to exhaust manifold. No space in transverse installed DS for DPF (actually a combined DPF / Adblue unit) in the engine bay so it's under the car where it's too cold.
Active regens using diesel have to burn off the exhaust soot, and oil leaks past piston rings into engine. Short journeys cause interrupted regens, thus more dilution as it retries next time. If you do a lot of miles it'll be fine, don't buy diesel for short trips / town usage (applies to any modern Euro6 diesel really, LR not the only ones with the problem). Annual oil & filter changes negate the problem in place of the 2 year / 21K official service intervals.
Ingenium is more refined and Euro6 meaning city centre restrictions won't apply as per the Euro5 2.2.
Active regens using diesel have to burn off the exhaust soot, and oil leaks past piston rings into engine. Short journeys cause interrupted regens, thus more dilution as it retries next time. If you do a lot of miles it'll be fine, don't buy diesel for short trips / town usage (applies to any modern Euro6 diesel really, LR not the only ones with the problem). Annual oil & filter changes negate the problem in place of the 2 year / 21K official service intervals.
Ingenium is more refined and Euro6 meaning city centre restrictions won't apply as per the Euro5 2.2.
Dashnine said:
F-Pace has longitudinal engine installation with room for DPF alongside the engine and close to exhaust manifold. No space in transverse installed DS for DPF (actually a combined DPF / Adblue unit) in the engine bay so it's under the car where it's too cold.
Active regens using diesel have to burn off the exhaust soot, and oil leaks past piston rings into engine. Short journeys cause interrupted regens, thus more dilution as it retries next time. If you do a lot of miles it'll be fine, don't buy diesel for short trips / town usage (applies to any modern Euro6 diesel really, LR not the only ones with the problem). Annual oil & filter changes negate the problem in place of the 2 year / 21K official service intervals.
Ingenium is more refined and Euro6 meaning city centre restrictions won't apply as per the Euro5 2.2.
Out of interest what constitutes a short journey in this context? Are we talking about 2 miles or under 20 for example?Active regens using diesel have to burn off the exhaust soot, and oil leaks past piston rings into engine. Short journeys cause interrupted regens, thus more dilution as it retries next time. If you do a lot of miles it'll be fine, don't buy diesel for short trips / town usage (applies to any modern Euro6 diesel really, LR not the only ones with the problem). Annual oil & filter changes negate the problem in place of the 2 year / 21K official service intervals.
Ingenium is more refined and Euro6 meaning city centre restrictions won't apply as per the Euro5 2.2.
Under 20 miles is short.
My old man had one, used to obviously do a few short journeys to supermarket, golf club etc. But he also used to go 23 miles quite regularly as well as back to Leicester, from Norwich, a lot.
His 2.0 RRS had to have 3 oil changes in the 14 months and 11k miles he had it.
He got out while he could.
Thank god he didn't buy a new one, he was adamant he wanted new, in the end I got him a year old one for £27k, which was a good price at the time, and 14 months later best bid from RR was £17800 I think it was. BMW offered £19k, WBAC offered something like £19200, it was more than any dealer anyway, just, and in the end a local trader I know gave £21200 for it as he had a customer for it.
He will never buy another LR product again.
He bought a 17 plate X6, not my thing, but it was same age and mileage and came in at £3k more and the difference in refinement, interior quality and stuff you get as standard means he is well chuffed with the swap.
I love Range Rovers, I love Discos, but the RRS is not all that imho and they have royally f
ked up with this 2.0d engine.
My old man had one, used to obviously do a few short journeys to supermarket, golf club etc. But he also used to go 23 miles quite regularly as well as back to Leicester, from Norwich, a lot.
His 2.0 RRS had to have 3 oil changes in the 14 months and 11k miles he had it.
He got out while he could.
Thank god he didn't buy a new one, he was adamant he wanted new, in the end I got him a year old one for £27k, which was a good price at the time, and 14 months later best bid from RR was £17800 I think it was. BMW offered £19k, WBAC offered something like £19200, it was more than any dealer anyway, just, and in the end a local trader I know gave £21200 for it as he had a customer for it.
He will never buy another LR product again.
He bought a 17 plate X6, not my thing, but it was same age and mileage and came in at £3k more and the difference in refinement, interior quality and stuff you get as standard means he is well chuffed with the swap.
I love Range Rovers, I love Discos, but the RRS is not all that imho and they have royally f
ked up with this 2.0d engine. gizlaroc said:
they have royally fked up with this 2.0d engine.
It's not the engine, it's the Euro6 compliant exhaust system bolted onto it. In longitudinal installations (Discovery, Jags except E-Pace, etc.) it's fine, also in the DS D240 which has a different exhaust arrangement.ked up with this 2.0d engine. But LR have admitted all their platforms suffer to some extent, as is the case with many (if not all) Euro6 compliant diesels. It is really now the case that you need to do the miles in a Euro6 diesel to ensure the system can clean itself properly.
Dashnine said:
It's not the engine, it's the Euro6 compliant exhaust system bolted onto it. In longitudinal installations (Discovery, Jags except E-Pace, etc.) it's fine, also in the DS D240 which has a different exhaust arrangement.
But LR have admitted all their platforms suffer to some extent, as is the case with many (if not all) Euro6 compliant diesels. It is really now the case that you need to do the miles in a Euro6 diesel to ensure the system can clean itself properly.
We have a Euro6 5 series, even if I do no long runs I can see the DPF burning off sat at 40mph on the 9 miles back from the city. But LR have admitted all their platforms suffer to some extent, as is the case with many (if not all) Euro6 compliant diesels. It is really now the case that you need to do the miles in a Euro6 diesel to ensure the system can clean itself properly.
It is poor, lazy design from LR.
When I say they have royally f
ked up, I mean using that engine in a model that can't implement an exhaust system that works for the majority of owners. gizlaroc said:
We have a Euro6 5 series, even if I do no long runs I can see the DPF burning off sat at 40mph on the 9 miles back from the city.
It is poor, lazy design from LR.
When I say they have royally fked up, I mean using that engine in a model that can't implement an exhaust system that works for the majority of owners.
To be fair I could see the regens on my 2.0d DS on similar 12 mile B road runs home from work (assume it warmed up quicker on the way home as never seemed to do on the way into work), and never had a problem in the 3 years I had the car. Unfortunately with was a style over substance decision over where to put the DPF...It is poor, lazy design from LR.
When I say they have royally f
ked up, I mean using that engine in a model that can't implement an exhaust system that works for the majority of owners. I think those badly affected are doing even less miles, my mileage changed to do less longer runs so on changing the car I went for a petrol DS.
Matt99man said:
Currently considering getting an approved Land Rover disco sport or f pace. For the age we are looking at the 2.2 or 2.0 is available. I’ve heard there are issues with the 2.0 in the discos (but not the f pace for some reason!?) so thought the 2.2 could be a better choice. Any advice chaps?
Pondering swapping our Freelander 2 SD4 (the 2.2 190PS one) for a Disco Sport at some stage. Also weighing up whether its worth spending more to get a 2.0 and whether the refinement/mpg/lower tax of the 2.0 makes up for any lack of reliability over the older and somewhat clattery 2.2. If anyone here has made the swap, is it worth going to a 2.2 Disco Sport over an FL? Shorter journeys is a factor, if the 2.2 is better in that regard than the 2.0 then it could be a better choice, and saving a few grand on the purchase price pays for a few years of extra fuel and tax.
Drekly said:
Pondering swapping our Freelander 2 SD4 (the 2.2 190PS one) for a Disco Sport at some stage. Also weighing up whether its worth spending more to get a 2.0 and whether the refinement/mpg/lower tax of the 2.0 makes up for any lack of reliability over the older and somewhat clattery 2.2.
If anyone here has made the swap, is it worth going to a 2.2 Disco Sport over an FL? Shorter journeys is a factor, if the 2.2 is better in that regard than the 2.0 then it could be a better choice, and saving a few grand on the purchase price pays for a few years of extra fuel and tax.
MPG on the old mans 2.0 DS was 33-34mpg all the time, on a run it would go up a bit, but always ended up back at 33-34mpg if left long enough. If anyone here has made the swap, is it worth going to a 2.2 Disco Sport over an FL? Shorter journeys is a factor, if the 2.2 is better in that regard than the 2.0 then it could be a better choice, and saving a few grand on the purchase price pays for a few years of extra fuel and tax.
To compare that his 2013 20d X3 awd auto returned 46mpg over 2 years, his 30d awd X6 auto is returning 36mpg.
His old 2009 ML350 used to return 29mpg.
Looking on Fuelly there doesn't seem to be much between the 2.2 and 2.0.
Thanks, seems like there is not much in it "real world" mpg wise then. Road tax is a tiny bit less for the Disco 2.2 SD4 Auto (£235) than the 2.2 SD4 Auto Freelander (£260) so looks like they tweaked the old lump to drop the CO2 a tad when they put it in the Disco.
The 2.0 D180 Auto in comparison is only £145, at least up until March 2017 when it jumps up to £465.00!
Weighing up the DPF issues for short journeys it looks like a 2015 Disco Sport 2.2 SD4 is the best bet, and cheaper to buy as well.
The 2.0 D180 Auto in comparison is only £145, at least up until March 2017 when it jumps up to £465.00!
Weighing up the DPF issues for short journeys it looks like a 2015 Disco Sport 2.2 SD4 is the best bet, and cheaper to buy as well.
Edited by Drekly on Wednesday 12th February 12:26
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