New Defender stops production

[warch]

Bullet-Proof_Biscuit said:

Cold said:

Coin-Slot said:

Squadrone Rosso said:

TFL in the US (on YouTube) aren’t having any luck with their Defender. Bought with their own money as a long termer, now awaiting car number 3.

Read the thread start to finish.

What's telling is that those who attempt to criticise the Defender's reliability only seem to have this one case to draw upon for use as an example. There aren't endless tales of things breaking, falling off or simply being crap. So this one incident gets repeated again and again.

There will be in 3 years when the warranty runs out! Call it bitter experience, of every single recent LR...

Anything can suffer teething problems especially a new and technically ambitious design like most new Land Rovers.

And others vehicles can have their moments, my last Toyota Hilux was a bit crap, water in the headlights, and a misfire/flat spot in the rev range.

[Dashnine]

mercedeslimos said:

Major Ivan Hirst, lived much of his life in my home town, Huddersfield. Saw the potential in the factory and the people of VW. They were ready to lock it up but he saw something in that little car.

Slightly biased, wrote a thesis on this a number of years ago.

Me too!

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Whereabouts in Huddersfield? My home town


....Saddleworth not Huddersfield

Edited by Hugo Stiglitz on Wednesday 25th November 09:36

[mercedeslimos]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Whereabouts in Huddersfield? My home town


....Saddleworth not Huddersfield

Edited by Hugo Stiglitz on Wednesday 25th November 09:36

He was born in Saddleworth but lived out his retirement in Marsden. As long as it's not over t'Pennines, be reet!

[mercedeslimos]

NMNeil said:

The VW beetle was designed by Josef Ganz. But as he was a jew, they kept that quiet.
The 1933 Standard Superior.
https://us-browse.startpage.com/av/anon-image?piur...

There's that bit too. Him, and the work that was done along with Hans Ledwinka over at Tatra. The fact they paid Tatra (visited the town where they make them a few years ago) a "substantial" sum of money in the nineties, says it all. I don't think we will ever know the real story behind VW as Porsche liked things his own way, to suit him (Nazi party member when it suited him, not when it didn't), and that anyone who remembers it was either killed or id long dead.

[unsprung]

. . . "These really do feel like Discoveries."

. . . "They're certainly not small and nimble like a Wrangler."

. . . "This one feels very premium, very upclass, very much like a Range Rover, a Mercedes, or a BMW."

The aforementioned father-and-son channel on YouTube has now received its third Defender, and things sound quite pleasant. What's more: JLR has given them the V6 (instead of their original I4). The interior has also been upgraded.

video
https://youtu.be/PIl7Fq3LWxg

Their previous video (link provided many posts further above) explained the story of how the first two units had to be replaced by JLR. The first because of multiple internal failures; the second because of a damaged harness when attempting to fit a bumper-mounted winch.

Edited by unsprung on Thursday 3rd December 18:22

[Hugo Stiglitz]

mercedeslimos said:

He was born in Saddleworth but lived out his retirement in Marsden. As long as it's not over t'Pennines, be reet!

One of my old girlfriends lived/grew up in Marsden. She really could drive too

[mercedeslimos]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

One of my old girlfriends lived/grew up in Marsden. She really could drive too

Haven't been back to that part of the world in over a decade, but the last time I did I took the scenic route home from Atherton to Bramley in Leeds. Came up over the tops and down into Marsden in the freezing cold and ice. Called in to pay my respects, we scattered my Nan's ashes up there years back. Smashing place

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Some pretty good pubs nearby now, Sportsman, Arcade, Magic rock etc

[NMNeil]

300bhp/ton said:

NMNeil said:

I
Some vehicles are just plain duds. Anything with a GM Northstar engine .

That's a bit of a sweeping statement and not an accurate representation.

They used head bolts instead of studs and the threads were too fine for the aluminum block. Bolts pulled out, head gaskets blew and the engine overheated causing more damage.
Some enterprising soul even patented a repair kit as the problem was so common
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8740532
But you have to remove the whole engine and transmission, from underneath the car, not through the bonnet opening, to do any major repairs.
And if you try and sell anything with a Northstar engine in it to a used car lot, they will simply turn you away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUNAOozvW1Q

[300bhp/ton]

NMNeil said:

They used head bolts instead of studs and the threads were too fine for the aluminum block. Bolts pulled out, head gaskets blew and the engine overheated causing more damage.
Some enterprising soul even patented a repair kit as the problem was so common
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8740532
But you have to remove the whole engine and transmission, from underneath the car, not through the bonnet opening, to do any major repairs.
And if you try and sell anything with a Northstar engine in it to a used car lot, they will simply turn you away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUNAOozvW1Q

As I said a sweeping statement.

As latter examples didn't suffer this at all. And even those that could, don't always. It depends on use/location and other factors. GM sold vast numbers of these engines.

[mercedeslimos]

NMNeil said:

They used head bolts instead of studs and the threads were too fine for the aluminum block. Bolts pulled out, head gaskets blew and the engine overheated causing more damage.
Some enterprising soul even patented a repair kit as the problem was so common
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8740532
But you have to remove the whole engine and transmission, from underneath the car, not through the bonnet opening, to do any major repairs.
And if you try and sell anything with a Northstar engine in it to a used car lot, they will simply turn you away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUNAOozvW1Q

Watched that video. What a load of bks. The perfect owner of that car is someone unafraid of DIY. Clean, low mileage one-owner car, and look after it with preventative maintenance. Sorted.

[NMNeil]

300bhp/ton said:

GM sold vast numbers of these engines.

True, and the junkyards are full of them, as well as Chrysler cars with the 2.7 engine.

[Wilmslowboy]

Before I go through the painful exercise of engaging with the dealer network, anyone know if they are deals on the new defender to be had?

I've heard rumours of discounts of over 10% (off list) if you can buy and register before the end fo the year.

Any of the many used ones selling ?

cheers

[Hugo Stiglitz]

NMNeil said:

True, and the junkyards are full of them, as well as Chrysler cars with the 2.7 engine.

So are the junkyards with Ford Foci in.


Does this make them junk?

[bennno]

Wilmslowboy said:

Before I go through the painful exercise of engaging with the dealer network, anyone know if they are deals on the new defender to be had?

I've heard rumours of discounts of over 10% (off list) if you can buy and register before the end fo the year.

Any of the many used ones selling ?

cheers

Look on auto trader, many pre reg with discounts.

Nothing off factory order 90’s

[Wilmslowboy]

bennno said:

Wilmslowboy said:

Before I go through the painful exercise of engaging with the dealer network, anyone know if they are deals on the new defender to be had?

I've heard rumours of discounts of over 10% (off list) if you can buy and register before the end fo the year.

Any of the many used ones selling ?

cheers

Look on auto trader, many pre reg with discounts.

Nothing off factory order 90’s

Good call - thanks, did not notice brand new cars before, a few at just under 10% discount.

Is the issue the 4 cylinder diesel being discontinued ? .

[bennno]

Wilmslowboy said:

Good call - thanks, did not notice brand new cars before, a few at just under 10% discount.

Is the issue the 4 cylinder diesel being discontinued ? .

Defo, 6 cylinder will be nicer drive and more reliable.

[sam greenock]

Wilmslowboy said:

Before I go through the painful exercise of engaging with the dealer network, anyone know if they are deals on the new defender to be had?

I've heard rumours of discounts of over 10% (off list) if you can buy and register before the end fo the year.

Any of the many used ones selling ?

cheers

We got just over 10% off of a brand new 240HSE which included many extras, it was already in stock - that was first week in October

[Davel]

Just ordered a 90 with delivery likely March / April.

Not able to get any discount.

I didn't need the extra 20 cms - although the wife disagrees...

Edited by Davel on Monday 14th December 20:39