Range Rovers becoming uninsurable in London?

Range Rovers becoming uninsurable in London?

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Honestherbert

579 posts

148 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Just got a l322 4.4tdv8 and have insured it for £361. 70 with wife as named driver. Cambs postcode parked offroad both 40 years old with clean licenses. Must have been lucky? Comp sites had 3-4 insurers under £400 and then varying from 900is-5k.

Phil.

4,773 posts

251 months

Wednesday 7th February
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tescorank said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer.

Louis Balfour

26,359 posts

223 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Phil. said:
tescorank said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer.
Why hasn't Land Rover done something like that?

NomduJour

19,156 posts

260 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Louis Balfour said:
Why hasn't Land Rover done something like that?
Yeah. And why haven’t they made my breakfast this morning?

How many people actually use PIN to Drive in a Tesla?

Phil.

4,773 posts

251 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Louis Balfour said:
Why hasn't Land Rover done something like that?
Probably because every standard fitted security device, fitted in the same way to all vehicles such as the existing LR Tracker, is easily found and/or disrupted. It’s the same for all marques.

Whether we like it or not, retro fitting additional security using independent installers is more of a challenge for thieves, especially if they aren’t expecting it to be there. So it’s down to the owner to decide if they want to spend £500 (less than their excess) to provide better security to their £100k RR. This has always been the case.

I have pretty much added extra security to all my cars over the past 30+ years. It’s a personal choice to either accept the limitations of the factory fitted security or improve it. As I said, it’s a no brainier for anyone who wants a better chance of keeping their vehicle especially at the moment when there is little consequence for thieves to carry on stealing vehicles.

Have you fitted any additional security to your L405 which appears to be the main target for FFRR thieves due to the weakness of the factory fitted security? If not, why not? Just interested.

djc206

12,384 posts

126 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Louis Balfour said:
Phil. said:
tescorank said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer.
Why hasn't Land Rover done something like that?
Have they not done something with the latest security update to help prevent the type of theft shown in the video?

Louis Balfour

26,359 posts

223 months

Wednesday 7th February
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djc206 said:
Louis Balfour said:
Phil. said:
tescorank said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer.
Why hasn't Land Rover done something like that?
Have they not done something with the latest security update to help prevent the type of theft shown in the video?
I don't know, honestly. One would hope so, if the method is such common knowledge it is on Instagram!

djc206

12,384 posts

126 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Louis Balfour said:
djc206 said:
Louis Balfour said:
Phil. said:
tescorank said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer.
Why hasn't Land Rover done something like that?
Have they not done something with the latest security update to help prevent the type of theft shown in the video?
I don't know, honestly. One would hope so, if the method is such common knowledge it is on Instagram!
It’s been a common method of theft for comfortably north of a decade, it essentially just contemporary hot wiring. There have been similar instructional videos for would be thieves on YouTube for years.

I haven’t read much about the updates but I believe there was something related to the BCM. JLR also reminded owners to use Guardian Mode, I’m not entirely sure what that does to be quite honest but it sounds like it should also help prevent or at least detect such attempts.

NomduJour

19,156 posts

260 months

Wednesday 7th February
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You do realise that key coders etc are available for all sorts of cars?

As I understood it, the security upgrade adds a level of encryption which means these devices can’t access the CAN (or whatever). Dealer needs both keys to do it.

camel_landy

4,925 posts

184 months

Wednesday 7th February
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djc206 said:
...it essentially just contemporary hot wiring.
Good point, well presented.

It takes me back to the 1990s when I had a Vx Astra nicked. When recovered, we worked out that they hot-wired it from the interior light fitting.

M

Vroomer

1,866 posts

181 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Honestherbert said:
Just got a l322 4.4tdv8 and have insured it for £361. 70 with wife as named driver. Cambs postcode parked offroad both 40 years old with clean licenses. Must have been lucky? Comp sites had 3-4 insurers under £400 and then varying from 900is-5k.
Older models like the L322 aren't affected by this – it's newer models with keyless entry that are being hit with big insurance costs.

22s

6,339 posts

217 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Phil. said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer.
This.

Picked up new Velar today - straight to the fitter on Saturday for a Pandora. (Can't be bothered with the faff of the Ghost PIN - much prefer the Pandora tag).

For £600 it's worth it for the peace of mind. The Pandora anti-hijack is also a nice touch.

NomduJour

19,156 posts

260 months

Wednesday 7th February
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There’s an security update coming for 2016-2018 cars now.

Boleros

183 posts

7 months

Wednesday 7th February
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NomduJour said:
There’s an security update coming for 2016-2018 cars now.
Oh really? Mine's a 2017 so be interesting to see what it is. Do you know when?

NomduJour

19,156 posts

260 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Was mentioned in the CEO’s PR thing on Friday, according to Autocar:

“The firm will soon expand that programme to pre-2018 cars, and it will eventually cover 450,000 vehicles, although Mardell acknowledged that speed of delivery was an issue, because many of the cars included are onto second or third owners.”

The Leaper

4,968 posts

207 months

Wednesday 7th February
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NomduJour said:
There’s an security update coming for 2016-2018 cars now.
Maybe my LR DS 2015 will get a fix sometime.

R.

Boleros

183 posts

7 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Nipped into my local LR dealer to get an adblue refill and asked about the update. No outstanding recalls for my 2017 FFRR yet and they said they’ll be in touch when they know more.

Mikebentley

6,137 posts

141 months

Wednesday 7th February
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djc206 said:
Louis Balfour said:
djc206 said:
Louis Balfour said:
Phil. said:
tescorank said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer.
Why hasn't Land Rover done something like that?
Have they not done something with the latest security update to help prevent the type of theft shown in the video?
I don't know, honestly. One would hope so, if the method is such common knowledge it is on Instagram!
It’s been a common method of theft for comfortably north of a decade, it essentially just contemporary hot wiring. There have been similar instructional videos for would be thieves on YouTube for years.

I haven’t read much about the updates but I believe there was something related to the BCM. JLR also reminded owners to use Guardian Mode, I’m not entirely sure what that does to be quite honest but it sounds like it should also help prevent or at least detect such attempts.
The video linked (I only watched the first 5 seconds with no sound) is clearly an L494 or L405 so not a current model and was always like every keyless car vulnerable. It’s hardly news is it. All that video does is act as a training video to scum for likes/clicks.

NomduJour

19,156 posts

260 months

Wednesday 7th February
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Mikebentley said:
The video linked (I only watched the first 5 seconds with no sound) is clearly an L494 or L405 so not a current model and was always like every keyless car vulnerable
Ten seconds or so on Google will find the same kind of videos for every current model.


youngsyr

14,742 posts

193 months

Thursday 8th February
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Where are they getting the blank keys from?

You have to provide a copy of the V5 for the vehicle plus an ID with the RK's address on to get a blank transponder fob for a 20 year old Porsche.

How are the thieves getting thousands of blank keys for modern JLRs?