4.2SC or 4.4 Vogue SE
Discussion
Been looking at p/x'ing the Boxster in against a Range Rover as need the extra room for the new kiddie, etc.
My local dealer had a couple of 4.2SC in stock, both 55 plate, one black/one silver, up for around 45k. I then saw a grey 4.4 Vogue SE up for around 37k which also looked georgeous.
Are the SC's worth the premium ?
My local dealer had a couple of 4.2SC in stock, both 55 plate, one black/one silver, up for around 45k. I then saw a grey 4.4 Vogue SE up for around 37k which also looked georgeous.
Are the SC's worth the premium ?
petrol P38s seem to be almost worthless now,particularly if they are near to or over 100k miles and a 4.6.
in answer to th question about is the supercharged worth the premium i would probably say yes, i havent driven one but ive riven the normal 4.4, which is by no means slow either, the supercharged is the top of the range model and obviously the quickest and with the V8 diesel now out i would imagine the 4.4 would be the least desireable model for re sale as performance wise its pretty much the same as the diesel, good luck with your decision anyway and i hope you enjoy your new car
in answer to th question about is the supercharged worth the premium i would probably say yes, i havent driven one but ive riven the normal 4.4, which is by no means slow either, the supercharged is the top of the range model and obviously the quickest and with the V8 diesel now out i would imagine the 4.4 would be the least desireable model for re sale as performance wise its pretty much the same as the diesel, good luck with your decision anyway and i hope you enjoy your new car
hobo said:
So...... are SC's worth the premium over 4.4 Vogue's ?
In a word, Yes.
Even ignoring the hugely improved performance, SCs are better specced across the board, I'm struggling to remember the spec difference but IIRC you don't get the improved windsor seats, standard TVs front and rear, and a rear view camera on the 4.4. before 07.
Of course this is presuming you're talking about "proper" range rover, not the sport.
I had an 02 RR 4.4 which was the usual unreliable bag of shite. I bought it at 2 years old and did 20 odd thousand miles and was very impressed how much better it was than my 4.6HSE, which in turn was miles better than my 3.5 Classic!
When the front diff fell out of my 4.4 for the 2nd time, I did what any sensible man would do with a consistently unreliable marque......I bought a brand new one!
I bought a 4.2SE s/c, the grown up one, not the soppy Sport!
It's a great car, loads more power than the 4.4 AND the V8 diesel (which I drove a few weeks back at a "LandRover experience" ) and it's much quieter, stiffer suspension (so you don't feel like the captain of an ocean liner)and it has all the toys you could want! The Venture cam is a total waste of time, it's purely a gimmick! I wanted it to help me back the car up to a trailer, but it's completely useless for that! Its' only possible use may be to keep an eye on the horses in a trailer!
BTW, if you want a tow-bar, there aren't any "pattern" ones available for the s/c, so it's £215 for a 4.4 or a grand (after haggling) for an s/c. The reason is the exhaust is different apparently!
The s/c is that good, that after buying and running it for a while, I realised that I had done 20 miles in the previous 9 months in my s/c Jag!!! So I sold the Jag and now use the RR as my daily-driver! Fuel consumption is horrible, less than 15mpg average, although I can get 19 on a gentle run!!! But TBH fuel consumption is the least of your worries compared to depreciation! It's far cheaper to go to the bank, draw out all your savings in fivers, and sit in the garden tearing them up one by one!
I love my Rangie, and won't hesitate to buy another one in about 18 months when mine reaches 3 years old and will be worth just under a tenner!
Don't even consider the Sport, whoever designed the tailgate needs shagging with the rough end of a pineapple, and for that reason alone, we "proper" Range Rover owners know that all Sports are Chelsea tractors, whereas full size Rangies are bought for a reason! I shoot regularly, and the Rangie is fantastic off road, and when you finally stop for elevensies, it has its' own picnic table built in!
But as others have said, be VERY hard when doing a deal, these cars are hard to shift and values will continue to plummet!
When the front diff fell out of my 4.4 for the 2nd time, I did what any sensible man would do with a consistently unreliable marque......I bought a brand new one!
I bought a 4.2SE s/c, the grown up one, not the soppy Sport!
It's a great car, loads more power than the 4.4 AND the V8 diesel (which I drove a few weeks back at a "LandRover experience" ) and it's much quieter, stiffer suspension (so you don't feel like the captain of an ocean liner)and it has all the toys you could want! The Venture cam is a total waste of time, it's purely a gimmick! I wanted it to help me back the car up to a trailer, but it's completely useless for that! Its' only possible use may be to keep an eye on the horses in a trailer!
BTW, if you want a tow-bar, there aren't any "pattern" ones available for the s/c, so it's £215 for a 4.4 or a grand (after haggling) for an s/c. The reason is the exhaust is different apparently!
The s/c is that good, that after buying and running it for a while, I realised that I had done 20 miles in the previous 9 months in my s/c Jag!!! So I sold the Jag and now use the RR as my daily-driver! Fuel consumption is horrible, less than 15mpg average, although I can get 19 on a gentle run!!! But TBH fuel consumption is the least of your worries compared to depreciation! It's far cheaper to go to the bank, draw out all your savings in fivers, and sit in the garden tearing them up one by one!
I love my Rangie, and won't hesitate to buy another one in about 18 months when mine reaches 3 years old and will be worth just under a tenner!
Don't even consider the Sport, whoever designed the tailgate needs shagging with the rough end of a pineapple, and for that reason alone, we "proper" Range Rover owners know that all Sports are Chelsea tractors, whereas full size Rangies are bought for a reason! I shoot regularly, and the Rangie is fantastic off road, and when you finally stop for elevensies, it has its' own picnic table built in!
But as others have said, be VERY hard when doing a deal, these cars are hard to shift and values will continue to plummet!
Edited by SpidermanUK on Tuesday 10th April 18:45
agent006 said:
w1how said:
SC's are dropping like a stone at the moment, so bargain hard if you want one.
All 4x4 prices are in freefall at the moment, but quick petrols more than most.
Not strictly true... anything with the new TDV8 engine in is holding up really well, both Sport and Range Rover, but the rest of the statement is accurate!
To answer the OP, the decision is yours of course. The Supercharger is the value car of the two as it has "done" it's money, and at circa 50K is definately amongst the best cars in the world at that cost (£74,820.00 new! unless you see me:wink
, but it is a "heart" car. It also has some rareity value as they build far less of them. The 4.4 Vogue is a great car, but when you compare performance, fuel consumption (S/C is actually better), depreciation and the decision is a foregone conclusion. "Head" wise, as another poster said, TDV6 HSE Discovery is probably the most sensible (cost-wise) purchase mentioned here. Great engine, superb spec, loads of room, 7 seats, 31 to the gallon etc etc...But I promise you, a Supercharger Range Rover it is not!
Thought I'd add my twopennyworth as I was in a similar situation almost exactly a year ago.
In the end I bought a new D3 TDV6 HSE, had it remapped by Turbochip, which IMO is a must. I thought it handled better on & off road than the RR's. I also use the second row of rear seats much more often than I had anticipated. A year on & I'm still really pleased with it.
I doubt now if I'd ever buy a Range Rover, but if I changed my mind it would be a TDV8 with a Turbochip re-map
The huge torque makes it a nicer drive than the s/c imo, plus the added mpg is a bonus.
As a die-hard V8 petrol fan, having owned at least one big (5.7-6.3) V8 powered vehicle for the past 17 years, I never thought I'd be suggesting people buy a diesel!
In the end I bought a new D3 TDV6 HSE, had it remapped by Turbochip, which IMO is a must. I thought it handled better on & off road than the RR's. I also use the second row of rear seats much more often than I had anticipated. A year on & I'm still really pleased with it.
I doubt now if I'd ever buy a Range Rover, but if I changed my mind it would be a TDV8 with a Turbochip re-map
The huge torque makes it a nicer drive than the s/c imo, plus the added mpg is a bonus. As a die-hard V8 petrol fan, having owned at least one big (5.7-6.3) V8 powered vehicle for the past 17 years, I never thought I'd be suggesting people buy a diesel!
triple7 said:
Don't waste your money on a Rangie, but a Discovery 3 HSE, 7 seats and very sexy in black! If the Rangies seem cheap now, they are going to be even cheaper next year after you've spent the money. 
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to tell the truth i think the Discos a great car dont get me wrong but if it came down to the choice between one and a Rangie i would pick the Rangie every time personally i think it looks nicer and prefer the interior but really it comes down to personal preference at the end of the day.
I actually prefer the styling of the D3, but still love the look of the RR. Each to their own though.
The interior of the RR is fantastic, more luxurious & better looking than the more utilitarian D3. This is actually what swayed it for me to buy a D3 though, as I wouldn't be happy using a RR as I do my D3. Most weekends the D3 gets loaded up with kids & dogs, whom are often covered in mud, plus all the gear that you need for the various country pursuits that we follow. The RR interior is just too plush to subject it to such regular abuse. The more utilitarian D3 interior offers the just the right amount of luxury, combined with a reasonably easy "wipe clean" factor, that perfectly suits my needs.
Another thing I've noticed with the D3, which is possibly due to having LAND ROVER lettering, the envy/jealously/anti-4x4 nonsense is far less than a RR (or other premium 4x4) attracts.
From a driving angle, I'd urge anyone to test a D3 before buying an older RR which doesn't have the TR system that the D3 has.
The interior of the RR is fantastic, more luxurious & better looking than the more utilitarian D3. This is actually what swayed it for me to buy a D3 though, as I wouldn't be happy using a RR as I do my D3. Most weekends the D3 gets loaded up with kids & dogs, whom are often covered in mud, plus all the gear that you need for the various country pursuits that we follow. The RR interior is just too plush to subject it to such regular abuse. The more utilitarian D3 interior offers the just the right amount of luxury, combined with a reasonably easy "wipe clean" factor, that perfectly suits my needs.
Another thing I've noticed with the D3, which is possibly due to having LAND ROVER lettering, the envy/jealously/anti-4x4 nonsense is far less than a RR (or other premium 4x4) attracts.
From a driving angle, I'd urge anyone to test a D3 before buying an older RR which doesn't have the TR system that the D3 has.
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