RE: Disco Fever
Discussion
whats unitary construction then?? you mean landrover charging you more for half of what you used to get!!
Sorry but if I am going on a school run or posing on kensington high street then not having a chassis is fine. Bouncing over rocks etc then i will stick to my chassis thank you.
can't wait for the new defender to see if they can completely F**K up another model. This is all a classic tale of car manufacturer listening to its marketing man and not the customer. Land rovers are S**t luxury cars. They never will have the poise, build or handling of a Bentley, jag, Merc etc. Land Rover (Ford) are now taking what they did best and compromising that to the point where the loyal customer base will walk.
I can see the last of the line defenders and 300TDi's becoming sought after icons of a golden time. the Disco is another compromise too far.
Neil.
Sorry but if I am going on a school run or posing on kensington high street then not having a chassis is fine. Bouncing over rocks etc then i will stick to my chassis thank you.
can't wait for the new defender to see if they can completely F**K up another model. This is all a classic tale of car manufacturer listening to its marketing man and not the customer. Land rovers are S**t luxury cars. They never will have the poise, build or handling of a Bentley, jag, Merc etc. Land Rover (Ford) are now taking what they did best and compromising that to the point where the loyal customer base will walk.
I can see the last of the line defenders and 300TDi's becoming sought after icons of a golden time. the Disco is another compromise too far.
Neil.
agreed I know the models have been going downhill ever since they brought out the Feelander.
The other problem is they are evolving the Discovery into a poorer mans Range Rover, for example the current one is kinda copying the Range Rovers front end and so is the Freelander, but now they are moving onto the interior and rest of the styling and underpinnings. The distinction between the range is now getting smaller, Discovery becoming range rover is stupid really as it no longer had its own place. Range rover catered for posh people who cant drive properly so buy a Range Rover instead of an S class to hide this fact. The stupid Freelander caters for people who think they are posh but dont have the money or the people who think it is cool to have an off roader just to have one rather than to go offroad. and the Discovery was a good middle ground car available as the comercial one or other variants was great, could use it off road well or for work or as a people carrier now its becoming a downmarket Range Rover i think is a bad move. And as for they styling I hate it. Especially the back end I mean why does it have the odd shaped rear window and square, relocated numberplate if there is no spare wheel?
The other problem is they are evolving the Discovery into a poorer mans Range Rover, for example the current one is kinda copying the Range Rovers front end and so is the Freelander, but now they are moving onto the interior and rest of the styling and underpinnings. The distinction between the range is now getting smaller, Discovery becoming range rover is stupid really as it no longer had its own place. Range rover catered for posh people who cant drive properly so buy a Range Rover instead of an S class to hide this fact. The stupid Freelander caters for people who think they are posh but dont have the money or the people who think it is cool to have an off roader just to have one rather than to go offroad. and the Discovery was a good middle ground car available as the comercial one or other variants was great, could use it off road well or for work or as a people carrier now its becoming a downmarket Range Rover i think is a bad move. And as for they styling I hate it. Especially the back end I mean why does it have the odd shaped rear window and square, relocated numberplate if there is no spare wheel?
Graham said:
Actually I don't think you can get a manual petrol now, and frankly why would you want to?
They did make some s11 v8 manuals..
and i want one as i want to drive my cars and hate slush boxes..
i dont understand why fecking l/r wont make what you want.
They make what the majority want. V8 manuals are virtually unsaleable.
Talk to Rogers of Bedford on 01234 348469. They'll build you anything you want. I've seen a LWB V8 Defender, autobox (sorry), full leather, air con, tinted windows, purple metalflake, alloys, etc., built there. It was £35K, though.
RB Will said:
aparently when buying a new Discovery its cheaper to buy the commercial one and have it kitted out to the same spec as a normal one than it would be to just buy the normal one.
?? basic list of the commercial is more than the basic list of the normal one ?
also i when i asked all the options available for a normal disco arent available on the commercial..
like a v8 for instance !!!!
my argument about spec was that l/r do make a v8 manual so why couldnt i spec it... its not like i was asking for somthing they dont make on the same line...
G
I saw the s3 Disco at the motor show... I thought the front was good, yeah ok it is a little Range Rover but still it looks serious and keeps that testosterone type of feel about it.
The back looks hideous. That swooping curve looks like a Volvo meets Saab in a scandinavian concept car type of way. It's out of keeping with the angles on the rest of the car and it's just vomit like.
But... As the s3 Disco is coming out, now's the time to buy a s2 on the cheap. Dealers will let you walk away with a V8 for less than 30k new, and the nearly new market is fantastic. There's one on at Mayfair - 1.5 years old, 8k miles, black, leather, V8 for £21k. So someone has lost £15k in 1.5 years and run it in for you....Happy days!
The back looks hideous. That swooping curve looks like a Volvo meets Saab in a scandinavian concept car type of way. It's out of keeping with the angles on the rest of the car and it's just vomit like.
But... As the s3 Disco is coming out, now's the time to buy a s2 on the cheap. Dealers will let you walk away with a V8 for less than 30k new, and the nearly new market is fantastic. There's one on at Mayfair - 1.5 years old, 8k miles, black, leather, V8 for £21k. So someone has lost £15k in 1.5 years and run it in for you....Happy days!
Ever driven a petrol, manual V8 off road..? Not the smoothest option...
The aesthetics are a matter of opinion... but as stated here already, it's not exactly photogenic - and looks better in the metal (IMHO).
LA - FYI Landie DO test in heat climates...
...and if you thought the old Disco (which was essentially a 15 year old design) was capable off road, you should see what the new one can do...
The aesthetics are a matter of opinion... but as stated here already, it's not exactly photogenic - and looks better in the metal (IMHO).
LA - FYI Landie DO test in heat climates...
...and if you thought the old Disco (which was essentially a 15 year old design) was capable off road, you should see what the new one can do...
Los Angeles said:
I wouldn't argue with your view, Podie. I want Brit car manufacturers to prosper. And the new ones do look better designed than the old. But when I collected my black one and driven less than 500 yards, I passed an indentical one parked by the road. It was covered in lemons, it's owner sitting on the roof rack protesting by holding aloft a placard which read: "This Car Is A Lemon." My heart sank.
Should have taken it up with his dealer then..
>>The dealer told me in confidence, with twenty years experience of selling and servicing Land Rovers, that the Disco was built to take about 50,000 miles of use before things begin to go seriously wrong.<<<<
MMM so whats wrong with the wifies 94 3.9 v8
upto 130,000 miles now and the only thing its had other than tyres, servicing and fuel is an Alternator and a clutch master cylinder...
MMM so whats wrong with the wifies 94 3.9 v8
upto 130,000 miles now and the only thing its had other than tyres, servicing and fuel is an Alternator and a clutch master cylinder...
The new Discovery is the first all new Landie since the BMW days and now they have to comply with all Fords quality processes as well as those learnt from BMW it should create a seriously good product.
Anyone read the S-Type diesel press comments? Engine is an adapted version apparently and anything that can paste the 3.0d Beemer or 320 CDI Merc units are ok in my book.
Similar chassis systems to the Rangie as well so should have good road manners and awesome off road as well.
Will certainly be having a drive when it is launched.
Anyone read the S-Type diesel press comments? Engine is an adapted version apparently and anything that can paste the 3.0d Beemer or 320 CDI Merc units are ok in my book.
Similar chassis systems to the Rangie as well so should have good road manners and awesome off road as well.
Will certainly be having a drive when it is launched.
i would like to be a fan of the disco but i'm not.Its unreliable to the point of disbelief.If its that good why has Land Rovers market share in Australasia vanished to less than 4% when it was once 95%.Over this side of the world you are quite simply considered a fool if you drive the outback in one,same goes for the Defender.The united nations comissioned a survey on reliability and proved Land Rover needed to up their game.They state now they will no longer use Land Rover products as a warrenty is worthless if its stranded in the African Desert with a mechanical failure.
As for Fords now recent involvment, perhaps it would be a good idea to read all the failures on the new models of Jaguars.They are known for their endless problems,their warrenty claims are horredous.....having said that, nothing like the warrenty claims that have passed through Land Rover North America.The Defender warrenty issues in NA are quite simply beyond all comprehension.A great number of people who use to buy LR's no longer do,but at the same time a new buyer has appeared.Most people know they're going to be cruising the school run.However, Blighty might consider itself huge when it comes to buying vehicles but the home market is very small when you consider the millions of other off roaders sold around the world.Toyota must sit in their office meeting laughing at the latest offerings from the mighty Land Rover!I know i do.
As for Fords now recent involvment, perhaps it would be a good idea to read all the failures on the new models of Jaguars.They are known for their endless problems,their warrenty claims are horredous.....having said that, nothing like the warrenty claims that have passed through Land Rover North America.The Defender warrenty issues in NA are quite simply beyond all comprehension.A great number of people who use to buy LR's no longer do,but at the same time a new buyer has appeared.Most people know they're going to be cruising the school run.However, Blighty might consider itself huge when it comes to buying vehicles but the home market is very small when you consider the millions of other off roaders sold around the world.Toyota must sit in their office meeting laughing at the latest offerings from the mighty Land Rover!I know i do.
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