GDPR - anyone working in this area?

GDPR - anyone working in this area?

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jammy-git

29,778 posts

213 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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That's crazy. An IP address could be used by dozens of different people regardless of the information the ISP has on the person whose account is linked to the IP.

Am IP address can never identity a person, at most it could only identify a device.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

226 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
Trustpilot has that additional information though. It has the email address of the user. As I am sure you are aware dynamic IPs aren't actually that dynamic for ADSL and FTTP. My parents ADSL has had the same IP address for over a year. So in a lot of cases an individual can be identified by a dynamic IP.










jammy-git

29,778 posts

213 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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plasticpig said:
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
Trustpilot has that additional information though. It has the email address of the user. As I am sure you are aware dynamic IPs aren't actually that dynamic for ADSL and FTTP. My parents ADSL has had the same IP address for over a year. So in a lot of cases an individual can be identified by a dynamic IP.
You just said your parents have had the same IP, as in an entire household. So not PII.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

226 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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Theoretcally if only one of them had an account with Trustpilot it would be. If the IP can be uniquely linked to accessing one account then for the purposes of that website it's PI.

Then you have the situation of people living alone who have a fixed IP address.
An IP address has the potential of being PI. This one of the issues I have with the whole GDPR thing. There are some classes of data that in the vast majority of cases will not be PI but there are cases which it is.

An example of this is postcodes. Most postcodes define a group of properties so by itself it's not PI. However there are cases where a postcode is unique to a property. If a single individual lives at that property then the postcode can be used to identify them.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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This is going to appear a very silly question seeing as I have been in business for 25 years, but hey.

Is 'data' just information stored electronically or does it cover paper information too?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Many thanks.

Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Why are so many organisations so confused about all this - even at this late stage?


fakenews

452 posts

78 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Regarding IP addresses, we've been instructed to hash the last part of the IP address for Google Analytics and internal logs:

https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/276305...

It removes track back to a single data subject but retains market information.

Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Confusion seems rampant. If it's down to bad advice - why is there such bad advice flying about?

The problem seems to be worse at large organisations.

As an aside, the bulk of spam e-mail I have received over the past few months has all been to do with GDPR.

I find that rather ironic.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Count me as one of the confused.

I asked about paper records earlier this morning. This is because I hold some names on file. I have no other contact details for them, just their name and their relationship to a member of a pension scheme.

Having had a very quick look at the changes, it appears I require their consent to hold their name. But how do I get that when all l have is their name?

RicksAlfas

13,418 posts

245 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Count me as one of the confused.

I asked about paper records earlier this morning. This is because I hold some names on file. I have no other contact details for them, just their name and their relationship to a member of a pension scheme.

Having had a very quick look at the changes, it appears I require their consent to hold their name. But how do I get that when all l have is their name?
If you have a legitimate reason to hold those names .i.e. your business can’t function without them, or you can’t fulfill the contract you have been given, then you are ok. Are they the names of people the pension would pass to for instance. That would be reasonable.

If however you are just holding them for some random reason lost in the mists of time and haven’t looked at them for ten years, it would suggest you don’t really need them.

bitchstewie

51,551 posts

211 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Quite.

Where you work will likely have your family's details so they can contact them if you fall into a wood chipper - but they won't have written to them to seek consent to hold them.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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RicksAlfas said:
If you have a legitimate reason to hold those names .i.e. your business can’t function without them, or you can’t fulfill the contract you have been given, then you are ok. Are they the names of people the pension would pass to for instance. That would be reasonable.

If however you are just holding them for some random reason lost in the mists of time and haven’t looked at them for ten years, it would suggest you don’t really need them.
That's good then, ta.

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Whilst the concept is simple, the consequences head towards the unintended at times.

I can understand the desire to 'protect the people', but data and services offered freely on the basis of that data collection are so deeply intertwined with our daily lives that unwinding them is a pain.

The consent example above leaves me wondering how Facebook can offer a service as (as far as I'm aware) it is absolutely impossible to use Facebook without some data leakage - so you cannot practically regard consent as being freely given. In fact the vast majority of apps in the App stores are free, but wish to serve personalised ads or collect user data in return for the service. Should there be a grand clear out?

In another forum there's a discussion about whether street photography constitutes the collection of personally identifiable information.

I'm sure it'll settle down, but perhaps having a 'big bang' introduction has not been well thought out.


Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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"If you have a legitimate reason to hold those names .i.e. your business can’t function without them, or you can’t fulfill the contract you have been given, then you are ok".

That is where the bulk of legal issues will arise. Many businesses will use this excuse as their defence if they get hauled up before the beak.

Sheepshanks

32,869 posts

120 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Eric Mc said:
"If you have a legitimate reason to hold those names .i.e. your business can’t function without them, or you can’t fulfill the contract you have been given, then you are ok".

That is where the bulk of legal issues will arise. Many businesses will use this excuse as their defence if they get hauled up before the beak.
I could be wrong, but I don't anticipate this being a problem - as long as you don't do anything daft.

In your business, if you started marketing to names given to you to run payroll, then expect to be spanked. But you would never do that, so it's not an issue.

Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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I wish it was all so simple. We shall see how this legislation works out. It could end up being much the same as so many pieces of legislation - unworkable and unused.

It will be interesting to see if all the spam e-mails and junk mail and cold calls suddenly stop at midnight on May 25.

Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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And will all the spamming stop? That should be the proof of the pudding - initially anyway?

plasticpig

12,932 posts

226 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Spamming won't stop. You will get emails trying to flog you dodgy diet and erection pills. Looking at my quarantine list penny share and binary options scams seem to be popular at the moment.


Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Is killing spam not one of the purposes of this legislation?