Coronavirus Grants

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skwdenyer

16,524 posts

241 months

Wednesday 13th May 2020
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singlecoil said:
skwdenyer said:
singlecoil said:
Mining Subsidence Man said:
I missed the "free money" Mk1 because we are not on the rates office paperwork.

Would it be worthwhile me adding the company to the rates office if they're going to do round 2.
I wasn't on the rating register (maintained by the VOA) when the grants were first announced. I got my grant today. You can read my posts in this thread to see how I did it.
It seems very council-dependent. The strict letter of the rules says that back-dates changes aren’t necessarily allowed. But some councils are more inclined to find a way around that than others.
He won't know til he tries. If he tries and is refused then that would definitely be the time to get his MP involved he he hadn't done already by that time.
Agreed, and not in any way suggesting he shouldn’t try!

Prolex-UK

3,066 posts

209 months

Thursday 14th May 2020
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I think that if a property was in the process of being looked at/valued by the VO before 11/3/20 then thats OK

What we also do is look at failures by us to act on information received from the customer/landlord or misinformation given by us that would have led to a split/merger being done or property valued.

If due to 100% SBRR we have a new occupier who did not tell us they were there before the due daythen thats also no problem.

FoxtrotOscar1

712 posts

110 months

Thursday 14th May 2020
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jke11y said:
FoxtrotOscar1 said:
jke11y said:
38 days in and no grant.

Article in yesterday’s paper saying GCC bottom of the table of scottish councils for getting grant money out.
“ Data released by the Scottish Government showed Glasgow received 12,840 applications and processed 3,217 of them up to April 28”

Scandalous and as usual nobody to hold to account.
Can I ask if you have heard anything as yet? We are GCC based aswell and have had to apply for the 25k grant.

Applied on the 17th - No word as of yet. frown
Nope not a peep. Applied 24th March. I’ve seen a few local news articles and Twitter is awash with people at varying levels of fury, so we are not alone.
Still no word here. Any news your end? I followed up my original email with a more in depth description of our operation. Did not even get an automatic reply.

iguana

7,044 posts

261 months

Thursday 14th May 2020
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iguana said:
Prolex-UK said:
Based on how we deal with this mismatch in vo description and actual usage you should be ok.

Just email them explaning what you do with links ti your website maybe a note from your accoyntant.

I eould also cc your councillor in and mention number of staff you employ

Let me know how you get on
Will do, thank you.
Rejected.

But another v similar business, similar RV & exact same description on rates & breakdown of use gets £25k grant

So the appeal route I guess.

Prolex-UK

3,066 posts

209 months

Thursday 14th May 2020
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iguana said:
iguana said:
Prolex-UK said:
Based on how we deal with this mismatch in vo description and actual usage you should be ok.

Just email them explaning what you do with links ti your website maybe a note from your accoyntant.

I eould also cc your councillor in and mention number of staff you employ

Let me know how you get on
Will do, thank you.
Rejected.

But another v similar business, similar RV & exact same description on rates & breakdown of use gets £25k grant

So the appeal route I guess.
pm'D YOU

skwdenyer

16,524 posts

241 months

Friday 15th May 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
skwdenyer said:
Prolex-UK said:
Burwood said:
Prolex, any rumours that they'll make another Grant? Given the lockdown will be extended and I see no blue sky until the year end.
Nope.

Still waiting on details for the last
Interestingly, Rochdale council are already accepting applications for the new money: https://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/1/b....

I don't have property in Rochdale frown
Interesting

Still no guidance

Begs the question applicationfor what...
CravenDC have in essence opened “pre-applications”:

https://www.cravendc.gov.uk/coronavirus-advice-and...

skwdenyer

16,524 posts

241 months

Friday 15th May 2020
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PT88

26 posts

114 months

Friday 15th May 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
I think that if a property was in the process of being looked at/valued by the VO before 11/3/20 then thats OK

What we also do is look at failures by us to act on information received from the customer/landlord or misinformation given by us that would have led to a split/merger being done or property valued.

If due to 100% SBRR we have a new occupier who did not tell us they were there before the due daythen thats also no problem.
How would an application look if tenant can prove via a lease they were in the property from December 2019 but had not got round to applying for business rates and once rated they would be likely to be entitled to SBRR?.

singlecoil

33,686 posts

247 months

Friday 15th May 2020
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PT88 said:
Prolex-UK said:
I think that if a property was in the process of being looked at/valued by the VO before 11/3/20 then thats OK

What we also do is look at failures by us to act on information received from the customer/landlord or misinformation given by us that would have led to a split/merger being done or property valued.

If due to 100% SBRR we have a new occupier who did not tell us they were there before the due daythen thats also no problem.
How would an application look if tenant can prove via a lease they were in the property from December 2019 but had not got round to applying for business rates and once rated they would be likely to be entitled to SBRR?.
If you look at my posts on this thread they deal with this very situation. I received my grant a couple of days ago.

FazerBoy

954 posts

151 months

Friday 15th May 2020
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I have a friend who runs a dental surgery. I had assumed that he would be eligible for a coronavirus grant but he tells me that he isn’t.

Surely a dentist pays business rates, has been shut down due to Covid19 and therefore should be eligible for a £25,000 grant (if his rateable value falls between £15,000pa and £51,000pa)?

Or is it the case that this only applies strictly to retail and hospitality?

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

251 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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FazerBoy said:
I have a friend who runs a dental surgery. I had assumed that he would be eligible for a coronavirus grant but he tells me that he isn’t.

Surely a dentist pays business rates, has been shut down due to Covid19 and therefore should be eligible for a £25,000 grant (if his rateable value falls between £15,000pa and £51,000pa)?

Or is it the case that this only applies strictly to retail and hospitality?
Anyone who currently gets small business rates relief with rates no more than £50500 (I think it’s £50500?) qualifies.

Prolex-UK

3,066 posts

209 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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HoHoHo said:
FazerBoy said:
I have a friend who runs a dental surgery. I had assumed that he would be eligible for a coronavirus grant but he tells me that he isn’t.

Surely a dentist pays business rates, has been shut down due to Covid19 and therefore should be eligible for a £25,000 grant (if his rateable value falls between £15,000pa and £51,000pa)?

Or is it the case that this only applies strictly to retail and hospitality?
Anyone who currently gets small business rates relief with rates no more than £50500 (I think it’s £50500?) qualifies.
Dentists are excluded from the enhanced retail reief as are doctors surgeries

If they get sbrr they get the 10k

So rv over 15k no joy.

For doctors i think its because they still get paid by NHS


jke11y

3,181 posts

238 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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FoxtrotOscar1 said:
Still no word here. Any news your end? I followed up my original email with a more in depth description of our operation. Did not even get an automatic reply.
Nope, still no grant money. I read in yesterday’s herald they are claiming to have paid 89% of the applications received. Of course we’re in the remaining %.

singlecoil

33,686 posts

247 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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Have you guys emailed your MPs? If not, why not?


https://www.writetothem.com/

Prolex-UK

3,066 posts

209 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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jke11y said:
FoxtrotOscar1 said:
Still no word here. Any news your end? I followed up my original email with a more in depth description of our operation. Did not even get an automatic reply.
Nope, still no grant money. I read in yesterday’s herald they are claiming to have paid 89% of the applications received. Of course we’re in the remaining %.
What council is it?

We are struggling to get people to apply

So our % of total paid vs total entitled is not as god as if we measure against total applied.

Average is 8 days.

Claims we got after 1st may its next day if the fill the form in correctly.

That last bit is very difficult for a lot of people.

Putting your mobile number in the field for bank account ref.

Getting your business name wrong

Entering wrong sort codes

When its all done i will share some anecdotes to make you smile

FazerBoy

954 posts

151 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
Dentists are excluded from the enhanced retail reief as are doctors surgeries

If they get sbrr they get the 10k

So rv over 15k no joy.

For doctors i think its because they still get paid by NHS
Ah, I see. Thanks.

FoxtrotOscar1

712 posts

110 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
jke11y said:
FoxtrotOscar1 said:
Still no word here. Any news your end? I followed up my original email with a more in depth description of our operation. Did not even get an automatic reply.
Nope, still no grant money. I read in yesterday’s herald they are claiming to have paid 89% of the applications received. Of course we’re in the remaining %.
What council is it?

We are struggling to get people to apply

So our % of total paid vs total entitled is not as god as if we measure against total applied.

Average is 8 days.

Claims we got after 1st may its next day if the fill the form in correctly.

That last bit is very difficult for a lot of people.

Putting your mobile number in the field for bank account ref.

Getting your business name wrong

Entering wrong sort codes

When its all done i will share some anecdotes to make you smile
Glasgow City Council

Prolex-UK

3,066 posts

209 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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FoxtrotOscar1 said:
Prolex-UK said:
jke11y said:
FoxtrotOscar1 said:
Still no word here. Any news your end? I followed up my original email with a more in depth description of our operation. Did not even get an automatic reply.
Nope, still no grant money. I read in yesterday’s herald they are claiming to have paid 89% of the applications received. Of course we’re in the remaining %.
What council is it?

We are struggling to get people to apply

So our % of total paid vs total entitled is not as god as if we measure against total applied.

Average is 8 days.

Claims we got after 1st may its next day if the fill the form in correctly.

That last bit is very difficult for a lot of people.

Putting your mobile number in the field for bank account ref.

Getting your business name wrong

Entering wrong sort codes

When its all done i will share some anecdotes to make you smile
Glasgow City Council
Use same system as us so may be having issues identifying cases BUT that shouldn't have taken this long.





Prolex-UK

3,066 posts

209 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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FoxtrotOscar1 said:
Prolex-UK said:
jke11y said:
FoxtrotOscar1 said:
Still no word here. Any news your end? I followed up my original email with a more in depth description of our operation. Did not even get an automatic reply.
Nope, still no grant money. I read in yesterday’s herald they are claiming to have paid 89% of the applications received. Of course we’re in the remaining %.
What council is it?

We are struggling to get people to apply

So our % of total paid vs total entitled is not as god as if we measure against total applied.

Average is 8 days.

Claims we got after 1st may its next day if the fill the form in correctly.

That last bit is very difficult for a lot of people.

Putting your mobile number in the field for bank account ref.

Getting your business name wrong

Entering wrong sort codes

When its all done i will share some anecdotes to make you smile
Glasgow City Council
You have pm

jke11y

3,181 posts

238 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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FoxtrotOscar1 said:
Glasgow City Council
Mine arrived today. 55 days post application.