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Prolex-UK

3,069 posts

209 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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from govt circular

this is about enhanced retail relief which means you have nothing to pay for 20/21 there are also grants depending on RV's below 51000k

Which properties will benefit from relief?
10. Properties that will benefit from the relief will be occupied hereditaments that are
wholly or mainly being used:
a. as shops, restaurants, cafes, drinking establishments, cinemas and live
music venues,
b. for assembly and leisure; or
c. as hotels, guest & boarding premises and self-catering accommodation.
11. We consider shops, restaurants, cafes, drinking establishments, cinemas and live
music venues to mean:
i. Hereditaments that are being used for the sale of goods to visiting
members of the public:
− Shops (such as: florists, bakers, butchers, grocers, greengrocers,
jewellers, stationers, off licences, chemists, newsagents, hardware
stores, supermarkets, etc)
− Charity shops
− Opticians
− Post offices
− Furnishing shops/ display rooms (such as: carpet shops, double glazing,
garage doors)
− Car/caravan show rooms
− Second-hand car lots
− Markets
− Petrol stations
− Garden centres
− Art galleries (where art is for sale/hire)
1 As required in the NNDR3 guidance notes, the former categories of discretionary relief prior to the Localism
Act (i.e. charitable/CASC/rural etc. top up and not for profit) should be applied first in the sequence of
discretionary reliefs and, therefore, before the retail discount.
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ii. Hereditaments that are being used for the provision of the following
services to visiting members of the public:
− Hair and beauty services (such as: hairdressers, nail bars, beauty salons,
tanning shops, etc)
− Shoe repairs/key cutting
− Travel agents
− Ticket offices e.g. for theatre
− Dry cleaners
− Launderettes
− PC/TV/domestic appliance repair
− Funeral directors
− Photo processing
− Tool hire
− Car hire
− Employment agencies
− Estate agents and letting agents
− Betting shops
iii. Hereditaments that are being used for the sale of food and/or drink to
visiting members of the public:
− Restaurants
− Takeaways
− Sandwich shops
− Coffee shops
− Pubs
− Bars
iv. Hereditaments which are being used as cinemas
v. Hereditaments that are being used as live music venues:
− Live music venues are hereditaments wholly or mainly used for the
performance of live music for the purpose of entertaining an audience.
Hereditaments cannot be considered a live music venue for the purpose of
business rates relief where a venue is wholly or mainly used as a nightclub
or a theatre, for the purposes of the Town and Country Planning (Use
Classes) Order 1987 (as amended).
− Hereditaments can be a live music venue even if used for other activities,
but only if those other activities (i) are merely ancillary or incidental to the
performance of live music (e.g. the sale/supply of alcohol to audience
members) or (ii) do not affect the fact that the primary activity for the
premises is the performance of live music (e.g. because those other
activities are insufficiently regular or frequent, such as a polling station or
a fortnightly community event).
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− There may be circumstances in which it is difficult to tell whether an activity
is a performance of live music or, instead, the playing of recorded music.
Although we would expect this would be clear in most circumstances,
guidance on this may be found in Chapter 16 of the statutory guidance
issued in April 2018 under section 182 of the Licensing Act 2003.2
12. We consider assembly and leisure to mean:
i. Hereditaments that are being used for the provision of sport, leisure and
facilities to visiting members of the public (including for the viewing of such
activities).
− Sports grounds and clubs
− Museums and art galleries
− Nightclubs
− Sport and leisure facilities
− Stately homes and historic houses
− Theatres
− Tourist attractions
− Gyms
− Wellness centres, spas, massage parlours
− Casinos, gambling clubs and bingo halls
ii. Hereditaments that are being used for the assembly of visiting members of
the public.
− Public halls
− Clubhouses, clubs and institutions
13. We consider hotels, guest & boarding premises and self-catering accommodation to
mean:
i. Hereditaments where the non-domestic part is being used for the provision
of living accommodation as a business:
− Hotels, Guest and Boarding Houses
− Holiday homes
− Caravan parks and sites
14. To qualify for the relief the hereditament should be wholly or mainly being used for
the above qualifying purposes. In a similar way to other reliefs (such as charity
relief), this is a test on use rather than occupation. Therefore, hereditaments which
are occupied but not wholly or mainly used for the qualifying purpose will not qualify
for the relief. For the avoidance of doubt, hereditaments which have closed
2 The statutory guidance can be accessed here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/explana...
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temporarily due to the government’s advice on COVID19 should be treated as
occupied for the purposes of this relief.
15. The list set out above is not intended to be exhaustive as it would be impossible to
list the many and varied uses that exist within the qualifying purposes. There will
also be mixed uses. However, it is intended to be a guide for authorities as to the
types of uses that the Government considers for this purpose to be eligible for relief.
Authorities should determine for themselves whether particular properties not listed
are broadly similar in nature to those above and, if so, to consider them eligible for
the relief. Conversely, properties that are not broadly similar in nature to those listed
above should not be eligible for the relief.
16. The list below sets out the types of uses that the Government d

I WILL POST UP THE BUSINESS TYPES EXCLUDED LATER

chrispmartha

15,514 posts

130 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
chrispmartha said:
My Local Authority (Kirklees) said they would be in touch the week beginning the 23rd of March and that the simple online Application facility would be up and running the same week.

They haven't and it isn't.
so

do you get small business relief ? if yes then £10k is coming your way

if not you may get enhanced retail relief if you meet certain criteria

what type of business are you runniung ?
I run a design agency, I will get the £10k, my point was more the speed of things, but I do appreciate that things will take time I was just updating how it is going in my my LA fortunately I can walk to my office and check the post, many will have to travel to do this.

Grimupnorth

80 posts

50 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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chrispmartha said:
I run a design agency, I will get the £10k, my point was more the speed of things, but I do appreciate that things will take time I was just updating how it is going in my my LA fortunately I can walk to my office and check the post, many will have to travel to do this.
The latter is our problem. Our shop is shuttered so they can't leave the post. Apparently it is going to a nearby post office but we can't call to check.

I can't access our busunes rates account online as they post the pin number.

I am going to dig out my gimp mask and brave the queues on wednesday and also sort out mail forwarding whilst I am there, as it looks like this is going to be for quite some time.

Edited by Grimupnorth on Monday 30th March 11:50

Prolex-UK

3,069 posts

209 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Grimupnorth said:
chrispmartha said:
I run a design agency, I will get the £10k, my point was more the speed of things, but I do appreciate that things will take time I was just updating how it is going in my my LA fortunately I can walk to my office and check the post, many will have to travel to do this.
The latter is our problem. Our shop is shuttered so they can't leave the post. Apparently it is going to a nearby post office but we can't call to check.

I can't access our busunes rates account online as they post the pin number.

I am going to dig out my gimp mask and brave the queues on wednesday and also sort out mail forwarding whilst I am there, as it looks like this is going to be for quite some time.

Edited by Grimupnorth on Monday 30th March 11:50
we are sending emails where we have them to get round this problem.

Maybe give your LA a call and give them your email address & mobile number ?

Grimupnorth

80 posts

50 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
we are sending emails where we have them to get round this problem.

Maybe give your LA a call and give them your email address & mobile number ?
Manchester not accepting calls at the moment and emails have a 14 day service standard.

Prolex-UK

3,069 posts

209 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Grimupnorth said:
Manchester not accepting calls at the moment and emails have a 14 day service standard.
is it the city of manchester you pay your rates to ?

Grimupnorth

80 posts

50 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
is it the city of manchester you pay your rates to ?
Yes, that is correct.

sidekickdmr

5,078 posts

207 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Prolex, Can you with your wisdom, confirm if "Self catering holiday unit and premises" with sbrr of £4,000 would be eligible?

Our council are being rather slow on this and no info yet.

Thank you smile

Prolex-UK

3,069 posts

209 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Grimupnorth said:
Yes, that is correct.
OK

They use the same software as my LA and SBRR cases will be recalculated automatically so if they work in the same way as us you should here from them very soon.

again if they are working as us and have up to date bacs details they will pay via bacs

the software supplier is also providing a means of generating a payment file to create a cheque so if no bank details are held twill be posted to you.

I am about to send SMS's out to people where we have no bank details or email address asking them to complete an online form with baank details etc so we can do it by BACS

Hopefully this will help

Prolex-UK

3,069 posts

209 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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sidekickdmr said:
Prolex, Can you with your wisdom, confirm if "Self catering holiday unit and premises" with sbrr of £4,000 would be eligible?

Our council are being rather slow on this and no info yet.

Thank you smile
do you get SBRR on the property ? if yes then yes.


Grimupnorth

80 posts

50 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
OK

They use the same software as my LA and SBRR cases will be recalculated automatically so if they work in the same way as us you should here from them very soon.

again if they are working as us and have up to date bacs details they will pay via bacs

the software supplier is also providing a means of generating a payment file to create a cheque so if no bank details are held twill be posted to you.

I am about to send SMS's out to people where we have no bank details or email address asking them to complete an online form with baank details etc so we can do it by BACS

Hopefully this will help
That's great thank you for your help. Very much doubt they have anything other than our address, but we live in hope, I am sure it will get sorted eventually.


I'd also remind anyone who still banks with the part of RBS that was going to be hived off to Santander (often referred to as Williams and Glyns) that they are still offering incentives for you to switch to another bank.

Many customers haven't done so - may be worth double checking if you are with RBS currently.

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
DSLiverpool said:
Our accountants just confirmed the £10k qualification.
do you get SBRR ?
This is very odd. My reading suggests ALL businesses with a rateable value under 51k have their rates calculated using the lower Small Business Multiplier of 49.9% as opposed to 51,2% standard rate. Now look at the grant exclusions. If you qualify for SBRR then you must have rates calculated using the lower Multiplier. Completely circular. Surely a mistake (Wavelrley council page). My understanding is if you receive SBRR and you occupied property on 11 march, eligible.


Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Prolex, one question please. How can councils process these applications and resulting payments with any pace. I imagine even a large council would have a dozen people in the rates department and surely they are looking at 10k applications plus. Is it a case if the application cross matches with their data, i.e electronic checks, then it's approved subject to later recourse/enquiry. TIA

Prolex-UK

3,069 posts

209 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Burwood said:
Prolex, one question please. How can councils process these applications and resulting payments with any pace. I imagine even a large council would have a dozen people in the rates department and surely they are looking at 10k applications plus. Is it a case if the application cross matches with their data, i.e electronic checks, then it's approved subject to later recourse/enquiry. TIA
on you post above this the small business rate multiplier is not the small business rate relief you need.

SBRR is for RV's under 15000 and is 100% of the amount charged up to 12000 ( i think) and a % after that.

The software suppliers are key to this

Ours are quite good and we hope to do 70% automatically

Situation can be compounded as its a grant not a relief so should be paid out by Finance who may have there own protocals to follow

Where I am this is a top priority

who is your LA ?

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
Burwood said:
Prolex, one question please. How can councils process these applications and resulting payments with any pace. I imagine even a large council would have a dozen people in the rates department and surely they are looking at 10k applications plus. Is it a case if the application cross matches with their data, i.e electronic checks, then it's approved subject to later recourse/enquiry. TIA
on you post above this the small business rate multiplier is not the small business rate relief you need.

SBRR is for RV's under 15000 and is 100% of the amount charged up to 12000 ( i think) and a % after that.

The software suppliers are key to this

Ours are quite good and we hope to do 70% automatically

Situation can be compounded as its a grant not a relief so should be paid out by Finance who may have there own protocals to follow

Where I am this is a top priority

who is your LA ?
Thanks i'm asking for a friend who was a bit confused by this and so was I smile. Waverley is the council

So if I understand you correctly. Their exclusion is saying if you actually pay rates on RV >15k. Not sure why they would say that because you don't get SBBR on > 15k so it's moot. I think reading that clause will create confusion because rates apply to all 'small business' it's just that you get 100% relief < 12k and tapered to 15k.

Prolex-UK

3,069 posts

209 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Burwood said:
Prolex-UK said:
Burwood said:
Prolex, one question please. How can councils process these applications and resulting payments with any pace. I imagine even a large council would have a dozen people in the rates department and surely they are looking at 10k applications plus. Is it a case if the application cross matches with their data, i.e electronic checks, then it's approved subject to later recourse/enquiry. TIA
on you post above this the small business rate multiplier is not the small business rate relief you need.

SBRR is for RV's under 15000 and is 100% of the amount charged up to 12000 ( i think) and a % after that.

The software suppliers are key to this

Ours are quite good and we hope to do 70% automatically

Situation can be compounded as its a grant not a relief so should be paid out by Finance who may have there own protocals to follow

Where I am this is a top priority

who is your LA ?
Thanks i'm asking for a friend who was a bit confused by this and so was I smile. Waverley is the council

So if I understand you correctly. Their exclusion is saying if you actually pay rates on RV >15k. Not sure why they would say that because you don't get SBBR on > 15k so it's moot. I think reading that clause will create confusion because rates apply to all 'small business' it's just that you get 100% relief < 12k and tapered to 15k.
I had just had an exchange of emails with a customer who,as your friend did, took the bit on the bill that mentions small business to be the trigger to get a £10k grant.

Small Business Rate Relief has to be claimed for

We run bi yearly SBRR take up campaigns here with limited success as some people think its a con for the council to try to give them money

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
Burwood said:
Prolex-UK said:
Burwood said:
Prolex, one question please. How can councils process these applications and resulting payments with any pace. I imagine even a large council would have a dozen people in the rates department and surely they are looking at 10k applications plus. Is it a case if the application cross matches with their data, i.e electronic checks, then it's approved subject to later recourse/enquiry. TIA
on you post above this the small business rate multiplier is not the small business rate relief you need.

SBRR is for RV's under 15000 and is 100% of the amount charged up to 12000 ( i think) and a % after that.

The software suppliers are key to this

Ours are quite good and we hope to do 70% automatically

Situation can be compounded as its a grant not a relief so should be paid out by Finance who may have there own protocals to follow

Where I am this is a top priority

who is your LA ?
Thanks i'm asking for a friend who was a bit confused by this and so was I smile. Waverley is the council

So if I understand you correctly. Their exclusion is saying if you actually pay rates on RV >15k. Not sure why they would say that because you don't get SBBR on > 15k so it's moot. I think reading that clause will create confusion because rates apply to all 'small business' it's just that you get 100% relief < 12k and tapered to 15k.
I had just had an exchange of emails with a customer who,as your friend did, took the bit on the bill that mentions small business to be the trigger to get a £10k grant.

Small Business Rate Relief has to be claimed for

We run bi yearly SBRR take up campaigns here with limited success as some people think its a con for the council to try to give them money
Thanks Dave, I won't confuse him. His RV is 8k and he has a bill of zero due to him claiming 100% SBRR. So he appears to qualify.

skwdenyer

16,540 posts

241 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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Prolex-UK said:
I had just had an exchange of emails with a customer who,as your friend did, took the bit on the bill that mentions small business to be the trigger to get a £10k grant.

Small Business Rate Relief has to be claimed for

We run bi yearly SBRR take up campaigns here with limited success as some people think its a con for the council to try to give them money
I thought the criterion was *eligible* for SBRR, not in receipt of SBRR? Or did I misread that?

The Soundman

2 posts

50 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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To say I am irked is an understatement. My business is run from a serviced office and rates are notionally included as part of our rent so I have never had to apply for SBBR. I have contributed quite a bit in 18 years to the general economy via PAYE and corporation tax, yet I seem to be excluded from pretty much everything so far.

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Monday 30th March 2020
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skwdenyer said:
Prolex-UK said:
I had just had an exchange of emails with a customer who,as your friend did, took the bit on the bill that mentions small business to be the trigger to get a £10k grant.

Small Business Rate Relief has to be claimed for

We run bi yearly SBRR take up campaigns here with limited success as some people think its a con for the council to try to give them money
I thought the criterion was *eligible* for SBRR, not in receipt of SBRR? Or did I misread that?
It is but there are criteria and one of those, at least here is that you were in receipt of the relief on or before 11 March. Our council have stated ' the Government want us to use our discretion so all cases will be considered on a case by case basis' . Give your council a call, they may still pay it

Edited to add- the actual wording says 'receive SBRR' which could mean if you apply now, they will back date it to the date of occupation and if that is prior to 11 march you may be good to go.

Edited by Burwood on Monday 30th March 15:46