Any car traders struggling for stock I am?
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av185 said:
Yeah right.
Your choice where you take your cars but ask your average customer whether they would prefer a car with full main dealer service history or one without/ or serviced by an on site 'technician'
at the same price all other things being equal and the obvious answer which 99% of folks who know will give you a clue how to differentiate your arse from your elbow. 
Apart from obvious warranty implications a FMDSH car will always sell quicker at much better money and for all the obvious reasons.
Other aspect is try selling late model in particular premium high end that have been outside the franchised network and if you think thats easy you clearly have zilch experience.
If you want to push your 'indie is better' agenda thats up to you but most buyers quite clearly disagree with you including BCA trade buyers who will always pay more for quality ex fleet stock with FMDSH thats why virtually without exception they command the best money. Rocket science it ain't.
Actually it depends on the car. A run of the mill euro box of any kind would certainly benefit from specifically a main dealer service history. However something like a high end sports car, like a Lamborghini or Porsche or whatever that has a mix of main dealer and specialist history is no worse or no less sellable than one with only a main dealer history. Especially if the specialist is known and reputable. In fact many such known and reputable specialists will look after the car better than a Main Dealer. Most savvy buyers of such cars would know this. Your choice where you take your cars but ask your average customer whether they would prefer a car with full main dealer service history or one without/ or serviced by an on site 'technician'
at the same price all other things being equal and the obvious answer which 99% of folks who know will give you a clue how to differentiate your arse from your elbow. Apart from obvious warranty implications a FMDSH car will always sell quicker at much better money and for all the obvious reasons.
Other aspect is try selling late model in particular premium high end that have been outside the franchised network and if you think thats easy you clearly have zilch experience.
If you want to push your 'indie is better' agenda thats up to you but most buyers quite clearly disagree with you including BCA trade buyers who will always pay more for quality ex fleet stock with FMDSH thats why virtually without exception they command the best money. Rocket science it ain't.
Superleg48 said:
av185 said:
Yeah right.
Your choice where you take your cars but ask your average customer whether they would prefer a car with full main dealer service history or one without/ or serviced by an on site 'technician' at the same price all other things being equal and the obvious answer which 99% of folks who know will give you a clue how to differentiate your arse from your elbow.
Apart from obvious warranty implications a FMDSH car will always sell quicker at much better money and for all the obvious reasons.
Other aspect is try selling late model in particular premium high end that have been outside the franchised network and if you think thats easy you clearly have zilch experience.
If you want to push your 'indie is better' agenda thats up to you but most buyers quite clearly disagree with you including BCA trade buyers who will always pay more for quality ex fleet stock with FMDSH thats why virtually without exception they command the best money. Rocket science it ain't.
Actually it depends on the car. A run of the mill euro box of any kind would certainly benefit from specifically a main dealer service history. However something like a high end sports car, like a Lamborghini or Porsche or whatever that has a mix of main dealer and specialist history is no worse or no less sellable than one with only a main dealer history. Especially if the specialist is known and reputable. In fact many such known and reputable specialists will look after the car better than a Main Dealer. Most savvy buyers of such cars would know this. Your choice where you take your cars but ask your average customer whether they would prefer a car with full main dealer service history or one without/ or serviced by an on site 'technician'
at the same price all other things being equal and the obvious answer which 99% of folks who know will give you a clue how to differentiate your arse from your elbow. Apart from obvious warranty implications a FMDSH car will always sell quicker at much better money and for all the obvious reasons.
Other aspect is try selling late model in particular premium high end that have been outside the franchised network and if you think thats easy you clearly have zilch experience.
If you want to push your 'indie is better' agenda thats up to you but most buyers quite clearly disagree with you including BCA trade buyers who will always pay more for quality ex fleet stock with FMDSH thats why virtually without exception they command the best money. Rocket science it ain't.
Franchised dealers generally won't touch a Porsche Ferrari Lambo etc under 4 years old due to warranty implications without mdsh thats why most of these cars without end up in the auction and are worth considerably less ££.
Try selling a GT Porsche even under 7 years old without an official OPC history.
I've recently sold a 69 plate I3S and WBAC offered £2.5k more than the selling dealer & weren't able to chip the price as it was flawless. I bought a 7 year old Merc CLS and the selling dealer said they bought most of their stock from private sellers as they were able to pick the better cars without the daft competition seen with the online trade auctions.
A friend sold his Mini Cooper S and Evans Halshaw bought it using the online tool and another sold his Range Rover to them whilst one had a Boxster and Motorway bought it - no wonder that WBAC are bidding so strongly as they've also got BCA to support in their group as well. As others have said, how long will it last though?!
A friend sold his Mini Cooper S and Evans Halshaw bought it using the online tool and another sold his Range Rover to them whilst one had a Boxster and Motorway bought it - no wonder that WBAC are bidding so strongly as they've also got BCA to support in their group as well. As others have said, how long will it last though?!
av185 said:
Depends on the age of the car. Older stuff yes newer stuff no way.
Franchised dealers generally won't touch a Porsche Ferrari Lambo etc under 4 years old due to warranty implications without mdsh thats why most of these cars without end up in the auction and are worth considerably less ££.
Try selling a GT Porsche even under 7 years old without an official OPC history.
Especially the ones with the chocolate engines! Franchised dealers generally won't touch a Porsche Ferrari Lambo etc under 4 years old due to warranty implications without mdsh thats why most of these cars without end up in the auction and are worth considerably less ££.
Try selling a GT Porsche even under 7 years old without an official OPC history.
Anonymous-poster said:
av185 said:
Depends on the age of the car. Older stuff yes newer stuff no way.
Franchised dealers generally won't touch a Porsche Ferrari Lambo etc under 4 years old due to warranty implications without mdsh thats why most of these cars without end up in the auction and are worth considerably less ££.
Try selling a GT Porsche even under 7 years old without an official OPC history.
Especially the ones with the chocolate engines! Franchised dealers generally won't touch a Porsche Ferrari Lambo etc under 4 years old due to warranty implications without mdsh thats why most of these cars without end up in the auction and are worth considerably less ££.
Try selling a GT Porsche even under 7 years old without an official OPC history.
Its no big deal and thats why 7 year old GT3s still make over list price ££.
I still haven't seen anyone with a hypothesis of where the used stock has gone. The cars haven't disappeared, so where are they?
Is it simply that the UK "Fleet" is, say, 20 million cars.
In a normal year for the sake of argument 1 million new cars are purchased and ~1 million are scrapped - rough status quo (I appreciate in practice the number of cars is always increasing).
Last year new cars sales collapsed and people kept their old cars or gave up their car completely (e.g. if a family had two cars but both adults were WFH, they didn't bother to replace one if it came to the end of its lease/PCP/whatever). So last year say 500,000 new cars were sold but still 1 million were scrapped (if a car was end of life, it was still end of life).
Hence a reduction in the overall UK "Fleet"?
Is it simply that the UK "Fleet" is, say, 20 million cars.
In a normal year for the sake of argument 1 million new cars are purchased and ~1 million are scrapped - rough status quo (I appreciate in practice the number of cars is always increasing).
Last year new cars sales collapsed and people kept their old cars or gave up their car completely (e.g. if a family had two cars but both adults were WFH, they didn't bother to replace one if it came to the end of its lease/PCP/whatever). So last year say 500,000 new cars were sold but still 1 million were scrapped (if a car was end of life, it was still end of life).
Hence a reduction in the overall UK "Fleet"?
Jonstar said:
Anyone who says reject cars if they don't have full main dealer history doesn't know his arse from his elbow, I wouldn't take some of my cars anywhere near a main dealer, despite them being cheaper than my favoured indy. Tbf most of your posts are pushing some sort of agenda so no suprise there really.
A main dealer serviced car is always worth more on anything under 6 years old. I watch client return cars at auction and there is a clear difference between a car with full main dealer service history and one with independent stamps. Having said that even cars with missing history find homes at some of the large dealer groups and supermarkets but they end up price point cars for price driven buyers.Hugo Stiglitz said:
Hi. The difference is full main history with at least a record it's had oil and matching premium tyres or 1 or 2 halford stamps n 5 years with three different brands of tyres.
Sorry I know which I'd choose.
In addition at least someone who is prepared to pay for maintenance looks after their car better than someone who can only just afford the monthlies.
So yeah. I know my arse from my elbow.
Plus when I come to sell my ad looks great. ...
Although once when selling a annually homda serviced type r all the buyers were concerned about was 'mate the other car with leggy miles and 2k more than yours and a moody history can offer me finance you can't....
What are you blithering on about?Sorry I know which I'd choose.
In addition at least someone who is prepared to pay for maintenance looks after their car better than someone who can only just afford the monthlies.
So yeah. I know my arse from my elbow.
Plus when I come to sell my ad looks great. ...
Although once when selling a annually homda serviced type r all the buyers were concerned about was 'mate the other car with leggy miles and 2k more than yours and a moody history can offer me finance you can't....
Having stamps by a main dealer in the book doesn't guarantee any further work has been done.
The point is a car has its price whether main dealer or serviced by Hugo down the pub, to reject cars other than full main dealer history is ridiculous.
Jonstar said:
What are you blithering on about?
Having stamps by a main dealer in the book doesn't guarantee any further work has been done.
The point is a car has its price whether main dealer or serviced by Hugo down the pub, to reject cars other than full main dealer history is ridiculous.
Stamps and receipts show its followed schedule.Having stamps by a main dealer in the book doesn't guarantee any further work has been done.
The point is a car has its price whether main dealer or serviced by Hugo down the pub, to reject cars other than full main dealer history is ridiculous.
Serviced by Hugo down the pub is fine. As long as its not priced at book and has proof of receipts for work done.
The key thing is proof its actually had work done.
Alot of cars for sale state FSH and 'it'll have a fresh service before sale'. Which is code for 'f
k all history or very little but I want dealer price for it pal'.I hate wasting my time with those time waster ads/sellers.
The most immaculately serviced car I've ever owned was one serviced entirely by Quarry cars in Huddersfield. An indie. Every item itemised annually. But that is rare. As people go to indies to avoid having to replace every filter, belts etc as required.
Sorry to derail the topic.
Edited by Hugo Stiglitz on Friday 16th July 07:40
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Stamps and receipts show its followed schedule.
Serviced by Hugo down the pub is fine. As long as its not priced at book and has proof of receipts for work done.
The key thing is proof its actually had work done.
Alot of cars for sale state FSH and 'it'll have a fresh service before sale'. Which is code for 'fk all history or very little but I want dealer price for it pal'.
I hate wasting my time with those time waster ads/sellers.
The most immaculately serviced car I've ever owned was one serviced entirely by Quarry cars in Huddersfield. An indie. Every item itemised annually. But that is rare. As people go to indies to avoid having to replace every filter, belts etc as required.
Sorry to derail the topic.
I agree receipts AND a well stamped book are key when purchasing a car, however this has nothing to do with main dealers. Serviced by Hugo down the pub is fine. As long as its not priced at book and has proof of receipts for work done.
The key thing is proof its actually had work done.
Alot of cars for sale state FSH and 'it'll have a fresh service before sale'. Which is code for 'f
k all history or very little but I want dealer price for it pal'.I hate wasting my time with those time waster ads/sellers.
The most immaculately serviced car I've ever owned was one serviced entirely by Quarry cars in Huddersfield. An indie. Every item itemised annually. But that is rare. As people go to indies to avoid having to replace every filter, belts etc as required.
Sorry to derail the topic.
Edited by Hugo Stiglitz on Friday 16th July 07:40
To say the only reason people take their cars to Indies is to save money is just plain wrong, many Indies simply understand the cars better than main dealers. Tgm sport for honda for example are more expensive than my local main dealer, Huxleys for AMG mercs are far better regarded than main dealers.
For new mainstream cars I agree, the main dealer stamp is worth its weight in gold but for older more specialist cars not so much.
Anyway back on topic.
It is no coincidence that we get the most money of all 2 to 3 year old fleet and lease car stock for ex Motability full main dealer serviced cars with full service history and detailed service and maintenance print including brake fluid change and right down to the last set of new wipers etc.
Wonder why?
But according to some, Billy grease monkey under the arches 1 possible oil change without filter serviced shed from a a highly dubious source is worth as much ££.
Wonder why?
But according to some, Billy grease monkey under the arches 1 possible oil change without filter serviced shed from a a highly dubious source is worth as much ££.
av185 said:
It is no coincidence that we get the most money of all 2 to 3 year old fleet and lease car stock for ex Motability full main dealer serviced cars with full service history and detailed service and maintenance print including brake fluid change and right down to the last set of new wipers etc.
Wonder why?
But according to some, Billy grease monkey under the arches 1 possible oil change without filter serviced shed from a a highly dubious source is worth as much ££.
I think some people have got slightly the wrong end of the stick with this subject of independent versus main dealer on service history. From my perspective, I was talking in the context of my Lamborghini, which up to now has had a full main dealer service history. However now that it is 10 years old, it is going to a reputable specialist independent to have a mini overhaul and some discreet upgrades. Wonder why?
But according to some, Billy grease monkey under the arches 1 possible oil change without filter serviced shed from a a highly dubious source is worth as much ££.
The full service history will be maintained and the independent is a known specialist with a solid reputation.
I do not expect this to have any impact on its resale value in the unlikely event I ever part with it.
Now, if I decided to take it to a Halford’s Autocentre….that would be another matter!
If the independent used in any history is a marque specialist I see no reason why it should affect value. Like others have said, many marque specialists actually do a more thorough job than a main dealer and people recognise this.
Superleg48 said:
I think some people have got slightly the wrong end of the stick with this subject of independent versus main dealer on service history. From my perspective, I was talking in the context of my Lamborghini, which up to now has had a full main dealer service history. However now that it is 10 years old, it is going to a reputable specialist independent to have a mini overhaul and some discreet upgrades.
The full service history will be maintained and the independent is a known specialist with a solid reputation.
I do not expect this to have any impact on its resale value in the unlikely event I ever part with it.
Now, if I decided to take it to a Halford’s Autocentre….that would be another matter!
If the independent used in any history is a marque specialist I see no reason why it should affect value. Like others have said, many marque specialists actually do a more thorough job than a main dealer and people recognise this.
Indeed, such a simple concept lost on many "car people" here unfortunately. The full service history will be maintained and the independent is a known specialist with a solid reputation.
I do not expect this to have any impact on its resale value in the unlikely event I ever part with it.
Now, if I decided to take it to a Halford’s Autocentre….that would be another matter!
If the independent used in any history is a marque specialist I see no reason why it should affect value. Like others have said, many marque specialists actually do a more thorough job than a main dealer and people recognise this.
Jonstar said:
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Hi. The difference is full main history with at least a record it's had oil and matching premium tyres ..
Dealer I worked it charged that much for tyres 90% ended up with odd nexen's, spares swapped and sales car often ended up with spare wheels used and just legal ones in there place. At least the correct oil was used!We had a contract with the local branch of a nantional car rental to service there cars, this equated to it serviced for £40 fixed price, so the cheapest oil filter and a gallon of the cheapest oil, usually from the motor factors and all fitted by the least useful apprentice.
So personally not interested in the dealer history and definitely not interested in ex rentals!
Used cars have gone nuts the auction prices make no sense. Even WBAC have gone crazy. We just sold a 69 Disco sport to them at 37k we were waiting for a Macan which was badly delayed (semi conductors/tyres etc) we can't find any car of similar spec and mileage that is anywhere near that expensive. What are they doing with them?? I was thinking that they might be hoovering up good low mileage stock to put on Cinch as a loss leader to build the brands profile we are watching out to try and find out car retailing so we can see whats going on.
Myself I've been lucky I don't rely on auctions getting my stock directly from owners and we have run a very healthy stock for the last year. The market is dropping off though from the craziness of this last 6/7 months. Good timing for me as I need a bloody rest it's been crazy crazy crazy busy!
Myself I've been lucky I don't rely on auctions getting my stock directly from owners and we have run a very healthy stock for the last year. The market is dropping off though from the craziness of this last 6/7 months. Good timing for me as I need a bloody rest it's been crazy crazy crazy busy!
fridaypassion said:
Used cars have gone nuts the auction prices make no sense. Even WBAC have gone crazy. We just sold a 69 Disco sport to them at 37k we were waiting for a Macan which was badly delayed (semi conductors/tyres etc) we can't find any car of similar spec and mileage that is anywhere near that expensive. What are they doing with them?? I was thinking that they might be hoovering up good low mileage stock to put on Cinch as a loss leader to build the brands profile we are watching out to try and find out car retailing so we can see whats going on.
WBAC high prices being paid reflect their confidence that prices will continue to rise strongly and for some considerable time too.av185 said:
It is no coincidence that we get the most money of all 2 to 3 year old fleet and lease car stock for ex Motability full main dealer serviced cars with full service history and detailed service and maintenance print including brake fluid change and right down to the last set of new wipers etc.
Wonder why?
But according to some, Billy grease monkey under the arches 1 possible oil change without filter serviced shed from a a highly dubious source is worth as much ££.
Funny I get the opposite impression. 18 19 20 year old billy lovable rogue working for main dealer with no vested interest in the overall reputation of the dealer is a bigger risk than 30 year old Billy who has set up on his own with his own business.Wonder why?
But according to some, Billy grease monkey under the arches 1 possible oil change without filter serviced shed from a a highly dubious source is worth as much ££.
How many independents change the brake fluid, belts, coolant, transmission fluid etc etc to recommended schedules?
My mate works for a French main dealer. He's probably the most skilled that you'll find on many French cars.
A stamp in any book is worthless without a print out but you'll find many main dealers won't stamp your book unless you've paid out.
Again, I'd much rather buy something that hasn't been serviced 3 times in 6 years or oil&filter down at bobs MOT garage.
My mate works for a French main dealer. He's probably the most skilled that you'll find on many French cars.
A stamp in any book is worthless without a print out but you'll find many main dealers won't stamp your book unless you've paid out.
Again, I'd much rather buy something that hasn't been serviced 3 times in 6 years or oil&filter down at bobs MOT garage.
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